A serious question - no OL picks?

[LittleBoyBlue]

I know we need O-line help.

Can the football people on the board tell me why we didnt get anything other than a Center?

I genuinely want to know from football people that know about football.


Thanks

 

[DFWJC]

I read today that the Cowboys staff mocks leading up to the draft had them getting 2 Olineman.

It didn't work out that way.

Don't shoot the messenger, but...
they claim that a second season with Callahan should help greatly improve what they have. They said the footwork is different than with Houck and they were showing nice improvement late in the season.
I guess/hope they mean except for the Commanders game.

 

[Echo9]

I know we need O-line help.

Can the football people on the board tell me why we didnt get anything other than a Center?

I genuinely want to know from football people that know about football.


Thanks

Simple. OL went really fast this year. Once we picked up Frederick the grades dropped off significantly. In the war room, at some point the question must have been asked "If we get this guy here, is he any better than Leary right now?" ( or Bern, Kowalski et,al)

Do we grab a guy or do we push on developing what we have. The guys on our roster now have a year under Callahan's system. It's not out of the question to expect SOME improvement at a postion or 2 along the line from our existing guys....especially with all the injuries we had that hurt continuity.

In addition, Jerry was pretty clear (as clear as he can be, I guess) that he believes in the idea that sub-par players can be hidden along the line. The key to "hiding" players is to put strong guys around them. The problem we had last year was that they ALL had problems at different times. Now that we can anchor the center position, that can make the guards better even if (god forbid) we roll out with Bern and Livings again.

I'm not sure what we do at RT at this point, but Parnell may be the front runner there. By the 3rd rnd of the draft, there was probably no one we felt was any better today than Parnell would be .

 

[Woods]

Simple. OL went really fast this year. Once we picked up Frederick the grades dropped off significantly. In the war room, at some point the question must have been asked "If we get this guy here, is he any better than Leary right now?" ( or Bern, Kowalski et,al)

Do we grab a guy or do we push on developing what we have. The guys on our roster now have a year under Callahan's system. It's not out of the question to expect SOME improvement at a postion or 2 along the line from our existing guys....especially with all the injuries we had that hurt continuity.

In addition, Jerry was pretty clear (as clear as he can be, I guess) that he believes in the idea that sub-par players can be hidden along the line. The key to "hiding" players is to put strong guys around them. The problem we had last year was that they ALL had problems at different times. Now that we can anchor the center position, that can make the guards better even if (god forbid) we roll out with Bern and Livings again.

I'm not sure what we do at RT at this point, but Parnell may be the front runner there. By the 3rd rnd of the draft, there was probably no one we felt was any better today than Parnell would be .

That, and we still have the option of bringing in Moore at OG and Clabo/Winston at RT.

There's no need to reach in the 2nd or 3rd for another Brewster if you still have the option of bringing a decent vet for a year or two. Might as well draft a guy who you more strongly believe can make the roster and develop into a quality player.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Assuming Cowboys sign Clabo, they could have upgrades at 3 of their starting 5 OL positions from last year. I would argue that's almost too much. Cowboys need to get some continuity in place, badly. The surest way to have a sucky OL every year is to keep rebuilding the OL every offseason because we don't have any patience to develop from within.

 

[Vintage]

I genuinely want to know from football people that know about football.


Thanks

Then, I would suggest finding some football people to talk too.

99.9% of them probably don't post on message boards.

 

[Vintage]

Assuming Cowboys sign Clabo, they could have upgrades at 3 of their starting 5 OL positions from last year. I would argue that's almost too much. Cowboys need to get some continuity in place, badly. The surest way to have a sucky OL every year is to keep rebuilding the OL every offseason because we don't have any patience to develop from within.

.1 percenter

 

[Doomsday101]

That, and we still have the option of bringing in Moore at OG and Clabo/Winston at RT.

There's no need to reach in the 2nd or 3rd for another Brewster if you still have the option of bringing a decent vet for a year or two. Might as well draft a guy who you more strongly believe can make the roster and develop into a quality player.

I agree. I don't think Dallas is done. I think as they mentioned some moves would be made after the draft such as Free and what they may do with him and or his contract. As you mentioned Clabo and Winston are still out there and based on what took place in the draft those 2 very much could be in play for the Cowboys.

 

[speedkilz88]

I read today that the Cowboys staff mocks leading up to the draft had them getting 2 Olineman.

It didn't work out that way.

Don't shoot the messenger, but...
they claim that a second season with Callahan should help greatly improve what they have. They said the footwork is different than with Houck and they were showing nice improvement late in the season.
I guess/hope they mean except for the Commanders game.

This, I bet ideally they hoped to get Cooper (with Warmack as the 2nd option) and then hoped that Frederick was available at 47. But the run on OL ended those hopes.

If they had gotten one of the OGs at 18 and Pugh, Long, and Frederick went 2nd round instead of 1st. Then Frederick would have had a shot of making it to 47. The rest of the prospects didn't go until the 3rd round.

 

[Risen Star]

Assuming Cowboys sign Clabo, they could have upgrades at 3 of their starting 5 OL positions from last year. I would argue that's almost too much. Cowboys need to get some continuity in place, badly. The surest way to have a sucky OL every year is to keep rebuilding the OL every offseason because we don't have any patience to develop from within.

The surest way to have a sucky line is to play and stick with guys who have no talent.

You will never have a quality line with the 4 guys Tyron played with last year. I don't care about Callahan's magic wand and the virtues of familiarity. Those guys can't play.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I read today that the Cowboys staff mocks leading up to the draft had them getting 2 Olineman.

It didn't work out that way.

Don't shoot the messenger, but...
they claim that a second season with Callahan should help greatly improve what they have. They said the footwork is different than with Houck and they were showing nice improvement late in the season.
I guess/hope they mean except for the Commanders game.

Simple. OL went really fast this year. Once we picked up Frederick the grades dropped off significantly. In the war room, at some point the question must have been asked "If we get this guy here, is he any better than Leary right now?" ( or Bern, Kowalski et,al)

Do we grab a guy or do we push on developing what we have. The guys on our roster now have a year under Callahan's system. It's not out of the question to expect SOME improvement at a postion or 2 along the line from our existing guys....especially with all the injuries we had that hurt continuity.

In addition, Jerry was pretty clear (as clear as he can be, I guess) that he believes in the idea that sub-par players can be hidden along the line. The key to "hiding" players is to put strong guys around them. The problem we had last year was that they ALL had problems at different times. Now that we can anchor the center position, that can make the guards better even if (god forbid) we roll out with Bern and Livings again.

I'm not sure what we do at RT at this point, but Parnell may be the front runner there. By the 3rd rnd of the draft, there was probably no one we felt was any better today than Parnell would be .

I think if we had REAL football people picking from the draft they may be able to see "value" later in the draft.

THAT is my issue with Jerry and company.

The surest way to have a sucky line is to play and stick with guys who have no talent.

You will never have a quality line with the 4 guys Tyron played with last year. I don't care about Callahan's magic wand and the virtues of familiarity. Those guys can't play.

Agreed. That is my concern.

We couldnt pick in first 10 of round one so just scrap the search for O-line. Seems silly.

 

[Smashin222]

Agreed. That is my concern.

We couldnt pick in first 10 of round one so just scrap the search for O-line. Seems silly.

I don't think it makes sense to overdraft players when you get caught at the end of the run. I'm not positive you'd prefer the 24th best OL over the 4th best Safety just because you need OL.

 

[gimmesix]

I read today that the Cowboys staff mocks leading up to the draft had them getting 2 Olineman.

It didn't work out that way.

Don't shoot the messenger, but...
they claim that a second season with Callahan should help greatly improve what they have. They said the footwork is different than with Houck and they were showing nice improvement late in the season.
I guess/hope they mean except for the Commanders game.

Probably were hoping to draft D.J. Fluker with the first pick and either Pugh or Frederick with the second.

Fluker is the only one of the top group I could see Dallas expecting to possibly fall, and the Cowboys might have been thinking that would end the run on linemen until the second round.

 

[burmafrd]

Assuming Cowboys sign Clabo, they could have upgrades at 3 of their starting 5 OL positions from last year. I would argue that's almost too much. Cowboys need to get some continuity in place, badly. The surest way to have a sucky OL every year is to keep rebuilding the OL every offseason because we don't have any patience to develop from within.

wow. just wow. Here is someone complaining about getting better talent because it would come too fast.

UNBELIEVABLE

 

[5Stars]

The surest way to have a sucky line is to play and stick with guys who have no talent.

You will never have a quality line with the 4 guys Tyron played with last year. I don't care about Callahan's magic wand and the virtues of familiarity. Those guys can't play.

:laugh2:

(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[burmafrd]

I really think by the time our pick came in the second round there were No O Line prospects that the boys really liked much at all.

 

[5Stars]

Assuming Cowboys sign Clabo, they could have upgrades at 3 of their starting 5 OL positions from last year. I would argue that's almost too much. Cowboys need to get some continuity in place, badly. The surest way to have a sucky OL every year is to keep rebuilding the OL every offseason because we don't have any patience to develop from within.

The Cowboys have a practice squad...let's hope they are hiding some good players already on the team, and have a chance to sign even better ones for this coming season.

 

[Wolfpack]

The FO wants to believe that the OL will improve this year so their real plan is wishfullthinking year 3. Thinking that injuries are what held back the OL is a little bit of a reach, it had an affect but those guys are not great players.

Also sounds like the DL is now in wishfulthinking mode too.

 

[speedkilz88]

Probably were hoping to draft D.J. Fluker with the first pick and either Pugh or Frederick with the second.

Fluker is the only one of the top group I could see Dallas expecting to possibly fall, and the Cowboys might have been thinking that would end the run on linemen until the second round.

Broaddus has always maintained that they weren't interested in Fluker at 18. Even on this morning's break the guys on there said that they didn't like the Alabama guys for Callahan's scheme but they thought Warmack could still play it.

 

[gimmesix]

Broaddus has always maintained that they weren't interested in Fluker at 18. Even on this morning's break the guys on there said that they didn't like the Alabama guys for Callahan's scheme but they thought Warmack could still play it.

Well, I sure can't picture any scenario where Dallas thought it was going to get two OL in the first round and one of them would be Cooper or Warmack.

Maybe they thought they would get Pugh and Frederick?