A Touch of Hostility... Week 13

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And now you know why I hate Kickers. All the talk of him being money and automatic and a Pro Bowl player are out the window.

No, I am not dropping that loss in his lap, but he was shankapotamus yesterday.

No, this loss needs to be dropped right on the coaching staff and pretty squarely on Jason Garrett. It has been discussed to death, but humor me while I add to it. There was no reason not to use our timeouts and try for more yardage for an easier kick for Bailey. None, zero, zip, nada. Yeah I get it that you wanted to burn the clock up so the Cardinals had no time to try anything, but that still could have been accomplished with 2 timeouts. Not one left, two.

I really don't understand Boniol and DeCamillis wanting him to take a timeout and I don't understand him taking it either. I know icing the Kicker doesn't work, but it did yesterday and we are the ones who iced him. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

No doubt about it, we're going to hear all about how it is December. November's over and all that jazz. It is relevant until we rise above it. Historically this team's worst month is December. I'm not just talking about the 16 years of whine festival, I am talking about our entire 52 year History.

There is no doubt this team is headed in the right direction. I stand by that. A loss does not derail that. If you believe it does then you believe 15 teams yesterday are going in the right direction and 15 are going in the wrong direction. We're talking big picture here. The big picture the DFW media is dying to get this team to talk about and they won't. Well, I will.

I also stand by the comments I have been making side by side with my commentary on direction, and that is that we are not elite. We cannot show up and make teams quake and pee and play flat. Every game we need our guys to hustle and play hard.

Some are doing that. Some are falling short. We do have some holes.

Let's start with an obvious weakness. We simply were a far more efficient Offense with Tony Fiammetta healthy. If you want to tell me he is our 2011 Offensive MVP I am not going to argue much. I don't know what the hell he is battling, but if he truly does make it back for the Giants game I suggest you watch the difference in our run game. It is stark.

In my enthusiasm for the approaching game against the much hated by me Cardinals, I suggested that Murray could have a huge game and top 1000 yards for the season yesterday. I tip my hat to the Cardinals for playing out of their minds defensively. Fox had some stats about their recent games being much stronger Defensive efforts. I had not noticed, but we all had to yesterday. Murray got stone walled, Romo got dumped on his backside, and the points I expected to see remain absent from this team.

There's no excuse for that either. We controlled the clock yet again. We amassed the yardage needed to put up points. We didn't turn the ball over. Still we come away with a mere 13 on our ledger. Unacceptable.

I can't pin it on Tony Romo either. He was solid enough yesterday under pressure to have had a much better day. Once again, the inexperience of the OL comes to the forefront. The run blocking was not up to par, neither was the pass protection and we paid for it. When you look at the what could have been, we paid for it dearly. A two game lead in the NFC East over the Giants was a mighty succulent feast to be staring at. Now we're squinting at a one game lead and they are the silhouette on the horizon approaching.

If we had won yesterday, a win next week guaranteed us the NFC East for the 18th time and our 22nd overall Division crown. Well, I still believe that is our destiny in 2011, but the road to claim it just got a bit harder.

I seem to remember a lot of people telling me that Patrick Peterson was a great Punt Return guy but was struggling at CB. If that is struggling at CB what is Terence Newman doing? For my money the battle between Peterson and Bryant was one of the best I have seen all year and I would pay good money to watch it happen again. Both are supremely talented and each got the better of the other at various times yesterday. I enjoyed watching that more than I enjoyed the game. To me, that is exactly what football is supposed to be all about. I think he is exactly what I predicted he will be, and that is the best CB in the NFL since Deion. He's on the way.

Matt McBriar was perhaps the difference between an Overtime tilt and us getting blown yesterday because he completely negated Peterson as a Punt Return weapon.

Overtime. In Jason Garrett's short career this is our 4th overtime. All on the road, and until yesterday each one had been won by us with a FG. unlike the Washington game where I said I never doubted they would miss and we were going to win, yesterday I never had that confidence. When we lost the coin toss, I figured we would never get the football.

I lay that directly at the feet of Rob Ryan. Garrett takes some heat, so does Ryan. What exactly are our DBs being taught right now that is leading to this subpar, penalty filled, atrocious play? Where is the tackling? We held the Cardinals to 13 points in regulation and I am more than happy with that. We forced some FGs instead of TDs and I am happy with that. But we seem to be praying that incompletions save us and force punts so the Offense can bail us out by moving into position for a FG. I hate that strategy if it is what we are trying to do.

Only a couple of guys on the Defense played with much fire yesterday. I was delighted to see Jenkins back, and thought he was solid but not spectacular, but Newman is playing awful. I don't think I have ever seen him worse.

A lot of players were slipping yesterday and that makes me wonder why we didn't change cleats. Or maybe we did and that didn't work. So why didn't we start jamming their WRs at the LOS? Anything to disrupt rhythm. And how does a Rob Ryan, aggressive approach Defense that supposedly was playing for revenge for the Cardinals firing his entire family, allow a team to find a rhythm? I realize we lost Ware to a stinger and he is our biggest disruption, but there is no excuse for not jamming the receivers.

Gonna be a long week, but a good week. Don't fear December folks. Fear the Giants. They are a real entity. A magical, mythical voodoo about a month is nothing more than superstition. It comes down to execution by the players and coaches. Yesterday we saw precious little of it from far too many of them.

This team is still headed in the right direction, but that doesn't mean we get there this year. There's a distinction there. I hope you can all see it. Take care of the Giants and the bile we all threw up yesterday is just an unpleasant memory.
 
Why do you think this team is headed in the right direction?
 
I agree with pretty much everything here. Not calling the timeout was a huge huge blunder

No matter how you slice it, whether you intended to run further plays or not, calling the TO is superior to spiking it.

If you call the TO and have one left and line up to kick the FG on first down, you still have time remaining on the clock should something bad happen, so that you can line up and go for it again. With just a few seconds left you leave no room for error and what good are 2 timeouts with 7 seconds left in the game? You would even have time to run another play to get back any yards a negative play may bring. Either way, whether you wanted to run additional plays or kick the ball, not using the TO was a blunder.
 
As for the kicker issues - the 1st miss looked like a terrible hold, and it even looked like McBriar was apologizing as they walked back to the sideline. The second miss was bad but I'm not going to sweat it, even if we did lose. As you even said, Garrett skipped using his timeouts to run a play to get closer for the field goal. And then, calling the timeout was just stupid. The announcers mentioned the other coaches telling Garrett to all it as time was running down, so that's the only reason I can think of.
 
Switz;4289839 said:
Why do you think this team is headed in the right direction?
I don't think it, I know it.

Again, 15 teams lost yesterday. Are they all headed in the wrong direction for the season, and for the forseeable future?

It doesn't make sense to me to immediately resort to hyperbole after every win or every loss. It was a loss. They happen. To every team.

If Green Bay had lost to the Giants would it mean they are headed in the wrong direction?

Don't put such power on one game, win or lose. That is an idiotic strategy. It's like playing chess and losing your queen, so you give up the match?

Right direction is about strategy, focus, attention to detail, and what the future holds. Did our 2011 and 2010 drafts suddenly suck because of the loss yesterday. Does Murray suck because he had a subpar game?

Yeah, we lost. Get over it. Don't let a loss drag your soul through the gutter on the way to hysteria and hell.
 
I don't fault our defense that much for the loss. The D played lights out in the first half. Not so much in the second half and OT. Their offense made some second half adjustments. Ours didn't. Still, the defense only surrendered 13 points on the road through 60 minutes. Points are what matters. Our defense gave us the opportunity to win. Our offense and poor decision making did not take advantage of it. When you hold a team to 13 points, you need to win the game. Especially if you're pushing toward a playoff birth. We failed.
 
DrunkWithPower;4289861 said:
As for the kicker issues - the 1st miss looked like a terrible hold, and it even looked like McBriar was apologizing as they walked back to the sideline. The second miss was bad but I'm not going to sweat it, even if we did lose. As you even said, Garrett skipped using his timeouts to run a play to get closer for the field goal. And then, calling the timeout was just stupid. The announcers mentioned the other coaches telling Garrett to all it as time was running down, so that's the only reason I can think of.
Yeah, but time didn't run out, so that theory doesn't really work.

We iced our own Kicker. No good excuse for it.
 
Some of our coaching decisions yesterday were not in the right direction. They were just plain stupid and everyone knows it. The fact that Garrett did not call a timeout and run another play or two cannot be defended by anyone for any reason. It's really just that simple.
 
Green Bay could have rolled out a tank on the field yesterday and Giants would have attacked it with their fist. Your right Hos....they are for real and when they want to play...they can roll anyone.
 
Hostile;4289862 said:
I don't think it, I know it.

Again, 15 teams lost yesterday. Are they all headed in the wrong direction for the season, and for the forseeable future?

It doesn't make sense to me to immediately resort to hyperbole after every win or every loss. It was a loss. They happen. To every team.

If Green Bay had lost to the Giants would it mean they are headed in the wrong direction?

Don't put such power on one game, win or lose. That is an idiotic strategy. It's like playing chess and losing your queen, so you give up the match?

Right direction is about strategy, focus, attention to detail, and what the future holds. Did our 2011 and 2010 drafts suddenly suck because of the loss yesterday. Does Murray suck because he had a subpar game?

Yeah, we lost. Get over it. Don't let a loss drag your soul through the gutter on the way to hysteria and hell.

I would like to believe your correct. I have my doubts not just based on this game. This team is making many of the same mistakes dating back to the parcells era. Also our coach has zero killer instinct and is making far too many mistakes. Life is about being in position to win. Our coaches havnt done that in a long time. So far what I have seen from this staff doesn't make me believe that's going to change.
 
"Cowboy Way" and "Right Direction"?

Get real. Garrett is a numbnuts coach and is not ready for prime time. Garrett was half the problem to last year's debacle and he gets promoted to HC. Go figure. Now you see the results of Boy Genius.

If it weren't for guaranteed contracts, your boy Garrett would be gone after this year.

Garrett is the problem not the solution. Just a matter of time until he is fired. The sooner the better.
 
Switz;4289839 said:
Why do you think this team is headed in the right direction?

I think they are headed in the right direction but I think our game manager and Offensive Coordinator is still going in the wrong direction.

I like our position right now. I would love it had we won yesterday but it just sets up a huge game Sunday Night.

This game will be easy to get over if we win Sunday but our loss to Arizona will be magnified if we lose to the Giants.





Also Hostile how did that improved roster from last year help us yesterday?

Murray for Barber Romo for Kitna, and all that.
 
Nice to see some calmness and sanity brought to the discussion. Good thing you draw a lot of attention around here too, or your voice would be drowned out by the hysteria.

I generally agree with your take on the game. I think you're being a bit unfair to Bailey, but whatever. Dude's a kicker. They're supposed to be whipping boys.

I also have a bit more faith in this team's ability to get there this year. You're right: this team is not elite. But at times (first half against the Lions, first three quarters against the Jets, the entire game against the Bills) it can play like an elite team. And in this league, that's enough, if you can just get on a roll and play at an elite level for a few weeks when it matters. Not one team in this league -- not the Pats, not the Saints, not even the Packers -- is without warts. Some teams do a better job than others of covering up those warts more consistently (largely because they dominate in another phase of the game). The Cowboys haven't done a great job of covering up their warts. But all it takes is a bit of a hot streak and some confidence. At its best, this team can play with any other team in the league.
 
Star4Ever;4289869 said:
Some of our coaching decisions yesterday were not in the right direction. They were just plain stupid and everyone knows it. The fact that Garrett did not call a timeout and run another play or two cannot be defended by anyone for any reason. It's really just that simple.
That has nothing to do with direction.

Again, if a loss means wrong direction would Green Bay be going in the wrong direction if they had lost?

You're placing too much on a bad game. Direction doesn't mean you play well every game and possibly win them all. Are you going to see this team infighting this week? Will players be blaming coaches publicly? Will coaches blame players?

What you see with bad direction is when teams are falling apart. This team is not falling apart. I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp.

Oh wait, yes I do.
 
Switz;4289839 said:
Why do you think this team is headed in the right direction?

Maybe because we're in playoff contention this December and we were thinking draft last December.

This is gonna be the week to say really stupid things as the fan rollercoaster dips down to the lowest level. Try to be above it.

We are most definitely headed in the right direction.
 
Hostile;4289911 said:
That has nothing to do with direction.

Again, if a loss means wrong direction would Green Bay be going in the wrong direction if they had lost?

You're placing too much on a bad game. Direction doesn't mean you play well every game and possibly win them all. Are you going to see this team infighting this week? Will players be blaming coaches publicly? Will coaches blame players?

What you see with bad direction is when teams are falling apart. This team is not falling apart. I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp.

Oh wait, yes I do.

It's not as much that we lost, it's how we lost. Sorry, there's just no excuse for the mistakes that were made. I'll say it once again. I like Garrett as the HC. Hate the fact that he's also the OC. When you have too much on your plate, you make hasty, bad decisions. He needs to concentrate on running the team and let an OC call the plays. It would take some of the pressure off him and the team would run more smoothly. Do you disagree with this?
 
Outlaw Heroes;4289909 said:
Nice to see some calmness and sanity brought to the discussion. Good thing you draw a lot of attention around here too, or your voice would be drowned out by the hysteria.

I generally agree with your take on the game. I think you're being a bit unfair to Bailey, but whatever. Dude's a kicker. They're supposed to be whipping boys.

I also have a bit more faith in this team's ability to get there this year. You're right: this team is not elite. But at times (first half against the Lions, first three quarters against the Jets, the entire game against the Bills) it can play like an elite team. And in this league, that's enough, if you can just get on a roll and play at an elite level for a few weeks when it matters. Not one team in this league -- not the Pats, not the Saints, not even the Packers -- is without warts. Some teams do a better job than others of covering up those warts more consistently (largely because they dominate in another phase of the game). The Cowboys haven't done a great job of covering up their warts. But all it takes is a bit of a hot streak and some confidence. At its best, this team can play with any other team in the league.

Exactly. Thats what i've been trying to stress after this loss.

We're in a good position right now. We're a team that has the upside to get on a roll and take our game to the next level. Or we could just have another late season collapse.


Sunday Nights game will be a lot like the Packers game we played in 2007 when we knocked Favre out of the game. Except instead of winning the NFC I think it will eventually decide the NFC East.


As ugly as it has been at times the Cowboys are still in first place with 4 games left and can put a strangle hold on the division Sunday.
 
Good post Hos. I look forward to these and it was good to see your comments on the bad game management at the end.
 
Outlaw Heroes;4289909 said:
Nice to see some calmness and sanity brought to the discussion. Good thing you draw a lot of attention around here too, or your voice would be drowned out by the hysteria.

I generally agree with your take on the game. I think you're being a bit unfair to Bailey, but whatever. Dude's a kicker. They're supposed to be whipping boys.

I also have a bit more faith in this team's ability to get there this year. You're right: this team is not elite. But at times (first half against the Lions, first three quarters against the Jets, the entire game against the Bills) it can play like an elite team. And in this league, that's enough, if you can just get on a roll and play at an elite level for a few weeks when it matters. Not one team in this league -- not the Pats, not the Saints, not even the Packers -- is without warts. Some teams do a better job than others of covering up those warts more consistently (largely because they dominate in another phase of the game). The Cowboys haven't done a great job of covering up their warts. But all it takes is a bit of a hot streak and some confidence. At its best, this team can play with any other team in the league.
Thanks Outlaw.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not selling the season. I have not lost faith in the team at all. I don't jump on and off bandwagons the way some fans do. I never have, I never will. I'm not a fairweather guy either.

I simply think we need more pieces to the puzzle before I I stick my chest out and dare anyone to come play us. Let me be real honest here. I would like nothing more than to see The Saints or the 49ers collapse so that we grab the 3 seed in the NFC. Then I'd like to see someone upset the Saints and Packers so we don't even have to face them and that is not impossible. Just last year the 14-2 Patriots lost in the first round and the 7-9 Seahawks shocked the world by beating the Saints.

We can play with them, and I think with the right conditions we can beat them. I also am realistic enough to realize they are simply better.

We're closer to being healthy, but this team doesn't let injuries exist as excuses. I love that. All the pieces for a sustained run are there. I don't deny that even after a bitter loss. We stumbled, but we haven't quit.
 

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