A Vote For Norv

[PoetTree]

Norv was 32-47 with the Skins before Snyder ever bought them

Yeah, but they were real bad when he got there. I mean, "good" teams aren't usually hiring a new coach. This situation with Dallas is a rarer exception. But regardless, those 'skins were awful. And by the time Norv left, they were actually a pretty good team.

He was fired mid-season, with a winning record, following a year in which the Commanders won the NFC East, had the #1 offense in the league... including a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,400-yard, 17-touchdown rusher, two 1,100-yard receivers and a fullback who caught more than 500-yards himself... and took the 'skins to the Playoffs, where they won their first game -- something Parcells (whom I love, by the way) didn't do in any of his playoff visits with the 'boys.

I'm just sayin', the man knows offense in a BIG way! He's one of the greatest offensive coordinators of all time. He's an innovator in this sport. And he'd be stepping into quite a lot more talent here than he had in Washington; T.O., Terry Glenn, Julius Jones (who would experience a rebirth in Turner's schemes), Jason Witten, Marion Barber, Patrick Crayton and the burgeoning Tony Romo -- this man would be so good for them all, now and into the future.

But not only for the players, and particularly Romo (potentially the franchise), 'cause if Jason Garrett is everything we are hearing he is... one of the most bright & promising offensive minds in the game... then there is literally no one better to serve as a guide than one Norv Turner.

I mean, come on, this is the man Troy Aikman chose to induct him into the Hall-of-Fame. Of all his coaches, Aikman has specifically said that no one contributed more to his success... than Norv Turner.

Furthermore, for those who point to the dissaray of his previous coaching stops, I will say that he will be stepping into a far more disciplined environment in Dallas than he met in either Washington or Oakland. Thanks to Parcells, we have a bunch of high-character, professional athletes on our team. The Cowboys don't possess the riff-raff that Norv had to deal with in those other towns.

This is part of Parcells' genius and lasting legacy of whatever team he touches. The Patriots won all those Superbowls with mostly his players. The Jets have had quality talent (and character) for years from his time with the team. This is what he does. And though he may not have had the emotional willingness anymore to grind this team to the top, it cannot be denied that we are in great shape for years to come due to his touch upon the organization; young, superb talent, a culture of discipline & professionalism, hard-working, high-character athletes and possibly even our next great franchise QB.

Norv Turner, and his offensive brilliance, would be merged with a situation ripe for success! Which is quite contrary to the atmosphere of his last head-coaching tenures. And being a player's coach, he may be the ideal candidate to deal with Terrell -- who needs someone that doesn't try to be "above" him. Owens is looking for friends, and where Bill Parcells never would, I believe Turner could be just that man as a coach.

The key, of course, is getting someone who really understand defense to man that position on the staff. It's too bad we can't hire Wade for that spot with the team. Alas. But perhaps Todd Bowles is the man? I don't know. I've heard that Parcells likes him, thinks he'll be a head-coach one day and was grooming him in that direction. So, maybe he's the defensive guru we need. If so, and we can bring on Norv, then our team next year... the last team ever assembled, perhaps, by Bill Parcells... will be quite a force in this league.


So, here's my vote for Norv...

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Let's keep in mind, Norv was never given a fair shake in Deadskin land and he was doomed before he took over the Raiders so I would give him a chance again..

 

[Nyks3]

this guy has no business being a cowboy hc. Notice what franchise he was banished to. The fact of the matter is the guy brings nothing in terms of defense. Since we already have our offensive guru it is time to bring in someone who can solidify our defense...is young and has a little bit of spunk in him. Now we now wade aint young in fact he is old...but at least he knows a little about defense. SO SAY NO TO NOrv

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yeah, but they were real bad when he got there. I mean, "good" teams aren't usually hiring a new coach. This situation with Dallas is a rarer exception. But regardless, those 'skins were awful. And by the time Norv left, they were actually a pretty good team.

He was fired mid-season, with a winning record, following a year in which the Commanders won the NFC East, had the #1 offense in the league... including a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,400-yard, 17-touchdown rusher, two 1,100-yard receivers and a fullback who caught more than 500-yards himself... and took the 'skins to the Playoffs, where they won their first game -- something Parcells (whom I love, by the way) didn't do in any of his playoff visits with the 'boys.

I'm just sayin', the man knows offense in a BIG way! He's one of the greatest offensive coordinators of all time. He's an innovator in this sport. And he'd be stepping into quite a lot more talent here than he had in Washington; T.O., Terry Glenn, Julius Jones (who would experience a rebirth in Turner's schemes), Jason Witten, Marion Barber, Patrick Crayton and the burgeoning Tony Romo -- this man would be so good for them all, now and into the future.

But not only for the players, and particularly Romo (potentially the franchise), 'cause if Jason Garrett is everything we are hearing he is... one of the most bright & promising offensive minds in the game... then there is literally no one better to serve as a guide than one Norv Turner.

I mean, come on, this is the man Troy Aikman chose to induct him into the Hall-of-Fame. Of all his coaches, Aikman has specifically said that no one contributed more to his success... than Norv Turner.

Furthermore, for those who point to the dissaray of his previous coaching stops, I will say that he will be stepping into a far more disciplined environment in Dallas than he met in either Washington or Oakland. Thanks to Parcells, we have a bunch of high-character, professional athletes on our team. The Cowboys don't possess the riff-raff that Norv had to deal with in those other towns.

This is part of Parcells' genius and lasting legacy of whatever team he touches. The Patriots won all those Superbowls with mostly his players. The Jets have had quality talent (and character) for years from his time with the team. This is what he does. And though he may not have had the emotional willingness anymore to grind this team to the top, it cannot be denied that we are in great shape for years to come due to his touch upon the organization; young, superb talent, a culture of discipline & professionalism, hard-working, high-character athletes and possibly even our next great franchise QB.

Norv Turner, and his offensive brilliance, would be merged with a situation ripe for success! Which is quite contrary to the atmosphere of his last head-coaching tenures. And being a player's coach, he may be the ideal candidate to deal with Terrell -- who needs someone that doesn't try to be "above" him. Owens is looking for friends, and where Bill Parcells never would, I believe Turner could be just that man as a coach.

The key, of course, is getting someone who really understand defense to man that position on the staff. It's too bad we can't hire Wade for that spot with the team. Alas. But perhaps Todd Bowles is the man? I don't know. I've heard that Parcells likes him, thinks he'll be a head-coach one day and was grooming him in that direction. So, maybe he's the defensive guru we need. If so, and we can bring on Norv, then our team next year... the last team ever assembled, perhaps, by Bill Parcells... will be quite a force in this league.


So, here's my vote for Norv...

You talk about his brilliance. His records do not bear that out.

If you blame the team it makes it much easier to defend his dismal records in Oakland, Washington and until this past season, in San Fran.

NT has become a journeyman coach, a perpetual also-ran.

 

[Bob Dole]

PoetTree, Bob Dole usually finds your posts fairly insightful, but you are absolutely, 100% wrong here.

He was fired mid-season, with a winning record, following a year in which the Commanders won the NFC East, had the #1 offense in the league... including a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,400-yard, 17-touchdown rusher, two 1,100-yard receivers and a fullback who caught more than 500-yards himself... and took the 'skins to the Playoffs, where they won their first game -- something Parcells (whom I love, by the way) didn't do in any of his playoff visits with the 'boys.

He was fired mid-season on a 7-6 team that had lost four of their last five and that had enough talent on both sides of the ball that they probably should have won the division.

I'm just sayin', the man knows offense in a BIG way! He's one of the greatest offensive coordinators of all time.

Just stop right there. If Jerry was hiring him for offensive coordinator, Bob Dole would be thrilled. Unfortunately, there's a lot more needed to be a successful head coach then just knowing how to run an offense, and Norval has NONE of those qualities needed.

But not only for the players, and particularly Romo (potentially the franchise), 'cause if Jason Garrett is everything we are hearing he is... one of the most bright & promising offensive minds in the game... then there is literally no one better to serve as a guide than one Norv Turner.

Who better than a guy who has bombed twice as a head coach to mentor the Cowboys future head coach, right?

I mean, come on, this is the man Troy Aikman chose to induct him into the Hall-of-Fame. Of all his coaches, Aikman has specifically said that no one contributed more to his success... than Norv Turne

Yeah, because listening to Troy Aikman's advice has really helped this team out in the past.

Furthermore, for those who point to the dissaray of his previous coaching stops, I will say that he will be stepping into a far more disciplined environment in Dallas than he met in either Washington or Oakland. Thanks to Parcells, we have a bunch of high-character, professional athletes on our team. The Cowboys don't possess the riff-raff that Norv had to deal with in those other towns.

Bob Dole doesn't buy that. Much of the "high-character" players are developed through the enviornment that the coach sets. Norv Turner simply cannot demand the respect of players that Bill Parcells can. His players quit on him in Washington, and walked all over him in Oakland.

Can you imagine him and Terrell Owens? T.O. is going to treat that man like his personal whipping boy.

This is part of Parcells' genius and lasting legacy of whatever team he touches. The Patriots won all those Superbowls with mostly his players. The Jets have had quality talent (and character) for years from his time with the team. This is what he does. And though he may not have had the emotional willingness anymore to grind this team to the top, it cannot be denied that we are in great shape for years to come due to his touch upon the organization; young, superb talent, a culture of discipline & professionalism, hard-working, high-character athletes and possibly even our next great franchise QB.

The Patriots have this guy named Bill Belichick who isn't too shabby.

The Jets.. uhh, well if that's what we're striving to be, then Bob Dole might as well cancel the season tickets now.

Norv Turner, and his offensive brilliance, would be merged with a situation ripe for success! Which is quite contrary to the atmosphere of his last head-coaching tenures. And being a player's coach, he may be the ideal candidate to deal with Terrell -- who needs someone that doesn't try to be "above" him. Owens is looking for friends, and where Bill Parcells never would, I believe Turner could be just that man as a coach.

Norv isn't a players coach. He's a joke. Nobody in Oakland respected him. Nobody in Washington respected him. This is a guy who any player with an IQ over 50 is going to be able to see only got the job because he's butt buddies with Aikman, not to mention it's pretty obvious he'd just be keeping the seat warm for Garrett. The guy is gonna be a lameduck coach and the players will surely treat him as such.

In conclusion, a vote for Norv is a vote for the return of the mediocrity that brought this team down like an anchor in the late 90's, early 2000's. Hiring Norval Turner is taking ten steps back from the ten steps forward this team took during the Parcells tenure. This is a man who has coached nine years in this league and reached the tournament ONCE. He should absolutely under no circumstances be allowed to run another football team.

Are you ready to be the laughing stock of the league again? Because that's what will happen if Jerry lets Norval sign his name on the dotted line.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Yeah, but they were real bad when he got there. I mean, "good" teams aren't usually hiring a new coach. This situation with Dallas is a rarer exception. But regardless, those 'skins were awful. And by the time Norv left, they were actually a pretty good team.

He was fired mid-season, with a winning record, following a year in which the Commanders won the NFC East, had the #1 offense in the league... including a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,400-yard, 17-touchdown rusher, two 1,100-yard receivers and a fullback who caught more than 500-yards himself... and took the 'skins to the Playoffs, where they won their first game -- something Parcells (whom I love, by the way) didn't do in any of his playoff visits with the 'boys.

I'm just sayin', the man knows offense in a BIG way! He's one of the greatest offensive coordinators of all time. He's an innovator in this sport. And he'd be stepping into quite a lot more talent here than he had in Washington; T.O., Terry Glenn, Julius Jones (who would experience a rebirth in Turner's schemes), Jason Witten, Marion Barber, Patrick Crayton and the burgeoning Tony Romo -- this man would be so good for them all, now and into the future.

But not only for the players, and particularly Romo (potentially the franchise), 'cause if Jason Garrett is everything we are hearing he is... one of the most bright & promising offensive minds in the game... then there is literally no one better to serve as a guide than one Norv Turner.

I mean, come on, this is the man Troy Aikman chose to induct him into the Hall-of-Fame. Of all his coaches, Aikman has specifically said that no one contributed more to his success... than Norv Turner.

Furthermore, for those who point to the dissaray of his previous coaching stops, I will say that he will be stepping into a far more disciplined environment in Dallas than he met in either Washington or Oakland. Thanks to Parcells, we have a bunch of high-character, professional athletes on our team. The Cowboys don't possess the riff-raff that Norv had to deal with in those other towns.

This is part of Parcells' genius and lasting legacy of whatever team he touches. The Patriots won all those Superbowls with mostly his players. The Jets have had quality talent (and character) for years from his time with the team. This is what he does. And though he may not have had the emotional willingness anymore to grind this team to the top, it cannot be denied that we are in great shape for years to come due to his touch upon the organization; young, superb talent, a culture of discipline & professionalism, hard-working, high-character athletes and possibly even our next great franchise QB.

Norv Turner, and his offensive brilliance, would be merged with a situation ripe for success! Which is quite contrary to the atmosphere of his last head-coaching tenures. And being a player's coach, he may be the ideal candidate to deal with Terrell -- who needs someone that doesn't try to be "above" him. Owens is looking for friends, and where Bill Parcells never would, I believe Turner could be just that man as a coach.

The key, of course, is getting someone who really understand defense to man that position on the staff. It's too bad we can't hire Wade for that spot with the team. Alas. But perhaps Todd Bowles is the man? I don't know. I've heard that Parcells likes him, thinks he'll be a head-coach one day and was grooming him in that direction. So, maybe he's the defensive guru we need. If so, and we can bring on Norv, then our team next year... the last team ever assembled, perhaps, by Bill Parcells... will be quite a force in this league.


So, here's my vote for Norv...

this is what i don't understand about the Norv as HC decision:

The reasoning behind this is help the development of Romo. I can understand that to a point, but I thought that is what Jason was good at, from everything said the last several days, he great at working with QB's this according to people on this board and QB's he has worked with, including Troy A. So basically, we would hire the whole staff to help Romo, but no one to help the Defense.

We have some very young players on D. Ware, Spears, Canty, Hatcher, Carp, Ratliff, even Roy and newman haven't been in the league a great deal of time yet. So we are going to just forget about them so we can develop romo??

This is going to be a disaster for this team if Norv is hired. Sure, Romo might set up correctly evey pass play, he might throw for 4K yards, JJ might run for 1200 yds instead of 1100, and Glenn and TO might both have 1200 yds receiving,, not 1000. And we might finish the season averaging 29 pts a game,, but we won't sniff the playoffs with Norv here. Of all the candidates mentioned, he is the only one I don't think can be successful here.

We NEED a defensive minded coach right now. This defense is ready to be taken to the next level. Norv can not do that.

 

[eduncan22]

Norv would be my pick...after Reeves.

I can't understand why Reeves would be passed up [other than his health???]

Don't let his last years at Atlanta stain his career. The guy knows football.

 

[Hunter71]

Couple things...

1) No mention of his days in Oakland?...

Interesting you didn't bring that up...

2) I also wish people would stop bringing up Troy Aikman as some sort of expert on what is best for this team...

We're talking about Turner as a COACH...

NOT an OC...

THAT is what AIKMAN knows...

His record as an HC is horrible...

And when Aikman rips the Cowboys in interviews and when broadcasting, people here get into a tizzy about his "loyalty" to the team...

And now?...

He's being viewed as an expert on what's best for the team...

3) If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are, he's a HORRIBLE friggin choice as a HC...

 

[superpunk]

If we hire Norv, get ready for this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/images/Commanders/1998/week6/norv_101298ap.jpg

and alot of this

Also, be prepared to never look forward to another press conference ever again.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I don't have a problem with Norv being HC if we get a good Defensive Coordinator.