About that 2009 draft...

[TD-33]

Gee, I wonder if the "inept" Pats would trade their roster for ours. Nah.

Didn't say they were "inept"
Neither of those teams are that much greater roster wise. They have good players at different positions, the key is they both have quarterbacks that are 1st ballot HOF and 1 is the best of all time.
that makes a difference.
the other has a great qb AND the best coach since....?

 

[RS12]

What is with the non sensical the Pats had a bad draft in 07 so it excuses the one the Cowboys 09 draft? Sorry I dont see the corelation. At least Pat fans cant lay it at the feet of Bob Kraft.

 

[TD-33]

This is like will smith defending wild wild west by bringing up Bruce Willis in Cop Out

No, it's like saying Dallas' 09' draft sucked but other teams have had worse drafts and been successful despite them.

 

[Alexander]

The funny (pathetic) thing about these comparisons, however, is that those teams have received championship hardware in the past decade and we have one playoff win.

:fact:


Be careful with providing facts around here, because some folks are allergic.

 

[JonJon]

I could care less about the Patriots. All the matters is the Cowboys success, and 2009 didn't do the team much good. It's hard to deny that no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Dodger12]

Oh the irony that so many people miss. Jerry drafted for back-ups and special teams players and they were "beat" out for a roster spot that year by the winner a reality TV show. And we still defend Jerry and the draft. If it wasn't such a sorry chapter in Jerry's GM resume that some people keep trying to defend, it'd be comical.

 

[LeonDixson]

So are you positing that keeping more of your own draft picks means you're "better" at drafting?

I didn't say we were "better" than anyone else. I'm saying that our drafting in recent years is better than a lot of people give credit for, other than the 2009 draft. No one can deny that one was a real stinker. But other teams draft guys they eventually give up on too, and I think that was the OP's initial point.

 

[bbgun]

Didn't say they were "inept"
Neither of those teams are that much greater roster wise. They have good players at different positions, the key is they both have quarterbacks that are 1st ballot HOF and 1 is the best of all time.
that makes a difference.
the other has a great qb AND the best coach since....?

Dallas' 1971 draft was more or less a complete wipeout. That didn't mean that other teams who did so were in our class or had realistic hopes of being so. The Pats and Cowboys share superficial traits. Both teams occasionally whiff on drafts, but the similarities stop there.

 

[Bluestang]

:fact:


Be careful with providing facts around here, because some folks are allergic.

LOL...stole my post.

 

[Alexander]

Oh the irony that so many people miss. Jerry drafted for back-ups and special teams players and they were "beat" out for a roster spot that year by the winner a reality TV show. And we still defend Jerry and the draft. If it wasn't such a sorry chapter in Jerry's GM resume that some people keep trying to defend, it'd be comical.

Actually, it still is comical.

It is one of the worst drafts in team history--officially now with two more players dumped. If it weren't for Buehler being saved by Jones' desire for touchbacks, it would be down to a three player draft, less than three seasons in, all of which will probably never be consistent starters in the NFL.

That is utterly disgusting and beyond excuse. I don't care who you are. A team of monkeys through darts at a draftboard could have done better.

 

[AsthmaField]

But New England has a fat NT so they've done better acquiring talent.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You guys are hurting the 2009 draft class' feelings.

 

[LeonDixson]

The problem with that is you're including Bill Parcells into the mix when he's not around anymore. Now you can pretend Jerry drafted those players, but then why couldn't he find players from 1994-2002? I don't believe it and will never believe it.

My hope is in the idea that Garrett can do what Parcells did, not that our Owner/GM is some kind of talent evaluator.

Jerry Jones was never mentioned in my post. I'm talking about the Cowboys, not personalities.

 

[AsthmaField]

The funny (pathetic) thing about these comparisons, however, is that those teams have received championship hardware in the past decade and we have one playoff win.

The Pats are an extremely well coached team. From the facts posted by the OP, it is clear that they aren't winning *these days* because of their drafts. They win because they have a great coach who runs the franchise like a well oiled machine... oh and because they have arguably the best QB in the business.

 

[JonJon]

Actually, it still is comical.

It is one of the worst drafts in team history--officially now with two more players dumped. If it weren't for Buehler being saved by Jones' desire for touchbacks, it would be down to a three player draft, less than three seasons in, all of which will probably never be consistent starters in the NFL.

That is utterly disgusting and beyond excuse. I don't care who you are. A team of monkeys through darts at a draftboard could have done better.

You are right about that. I had a post a while back about that 2009 draft that the Cowboys would have been better off picking up any generic mock draft from the internet and using it to draft players.

 

[Risen Star]

Jerry Jones was never mentioned in my post. I'm talking about the Cowboys, not personalities.

Yeah but a lot of those players were drafted under a different set of characters. You can't use Bill Parcells as a defense for the present. He's not here anymore.

 

[Risen Star]

The Pats are an extremely well coached team. From the facts posted by the OP, it is clear that they aren't winning *these days* because of their drafts. They win because they have a great coach who runs the franchise like a well oiled machine... oh and because they have arguably the best QB in the business.

They also have a great Owner too.

 

[AsthmaField]

Actually, it still is comical.

It is one of the worst drafts in team history--officially now with two more players dumped. If it weren't for Buehler being saved by Jones' desire for touchbacks, it would be down to a three player draft, less than three seasons in, all of which will probably never be consistent starters in the NFL.

That is utterly disgusting and beyond excuse. I don't care who you are. A team of monkeys through darts at a draftboard could have done better.

No doubt 2009 was a horrible draft for us. I feel damn lucky to at least have V Butler from that atrocity.

However, the last two drafts have been decidedly better. I'd about put our last two drafts up against anyone's.

So, yes 2009 leaves us all hoping for amnesia... but that kind of draft is hardly par for the course in Dallas these days.

 

[Risen Star]

You are right about that. I had a post a while back about that 2009 draft that the Cowboys would have been better off picking up any generic mock draft from the internet and using it to draft players.

To me, it's not even about swinging and missing on the picks. It's the whole thought process of drafting for backups. It was 1995 all over again. What idiot goes into a draft intent on finding backups? Who believes special teams should play such a critical role in your draft class?

Whenever we stepped to the plate it's like we didn't even swing and miss. We bunted. It's that thought process and where it comes from that's the biggest problem.

 

[Alexander]

To me, it's not even about swinging and missing on the picks. It's the whole thought process of drafting for backups. It was 1995 all over again. What idiot goes into a draft intent on finding backups? Who believes special teams should play such a critical role in your draft class?

Whenever we stepped to the plate it's like we didn't even swing and miss. We bunted. It's that thought process and where it comes from that's the biggest problem.

That draft was a complete over-reaction to a horrible year on special teams. Bruce Read was fired first then there was the mistaken idea that had we just had better special teams players, we could have won an extra game here or there and make the playoffs.

To make matters worse, we stockpiled choices in that draft to get even more special teams players---who typically are only about three or four of an entire 53 man roster.