About that 2009 draft...

[TwoDeep3]

Nothing to do with logic. I'm pretty sure every person on here knows the point of playing football is to win. Cowboyszone posters do know that. We were talking about draft picks making the team and how those teams are viewed.

Winning and draft picks are typically linked, but it hasn't been that way for the Patriots the last half decade or so.

Yes, they've won a lot. No, they haven't drafted well.

Good thing for them they have Brady and Belichick or drafting and winning would be linked for them too.

The OPs premise, which is using very specific stats to illustrate a point-of-view was flawed.

Controlling the dialog so that premise stands scrutiny doesn't hold much water either.

Perceived isn't what counts.

W's count.

This is why stats are not empirical in nature during all debates.

 

[AsthmaField]

The OPs premise, which is using very specific stats to illustrate a point-of-view was flawed.

Controlling the dialog so that premise stands scrutiny doesn't hold much water either.

Perceived isn't what counts.

W's count.

This is why stats are not empirical in nature during all debates.

Of course it was flawed. What it points out is that if you win in this league, nobody notices where you messed up. That is kind of what you're saying, I know.

That doesn't change the fact that the Pats haven't drafted well in quite a while... and they've had a whole boatload of picks. Of course we all know that because of the media constantly telling us how great the Pats are in the draft.

Which goes back to the OP's point that they haven't drafted well.

*shrug* If you don't get it by now, then you won't.

Have a great day.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Of course it was flawed. What it points out is that if you win in this league, nobody notices where you messed up. That is kind of what you're saying, I know.

That doesn't change the fact that the Pats haven't drafted well in quite a while... and they've had a whole boatload of picks. Of course we all know that because of the media constantly telling us how great the Pats are in the draft.

Which goes back to the OP's point that they haven't drafted well.

*shrug* If you don't get it by now, then you won't.

Have a great day.

I get it, but this is another fan based hurt feelings trying to justify the ineptitude of the drafting of this team.

Evidently the Pats have been successful at player replacement.

So many times people attempt to assuage the woeful decade and a half this team has suffered through.

I prefer calling them like they are.

 

[Randy White]

Denver's 2009 second-round haul will go down as one of the worst draft rounds in NFL history. McBath, Richard Quinn, and Alphonso Smith are all gone before their third season with the Broncos. McBath has been held back by injuries, but he at least led the team in special teams tackles as a rookie. The other two contributed nothing

Source: Lindsay Jones on Twitter

and if I remember correctly, I think Alphonso Smith cost them the following year's #1 pick.

 

[ghst187]

the problem with out '09 draft as I've reiterated numerous times on this board is that we all knew we were blowing it at the time, with or without the Roy Williams trade. We all knew we couldn't put 12 more players on our roster and that the draft was thin that year. We had tons of ammo to move up and grab a few players that could've stuck around and made an impact. Sure, hindsight is always 20/20 but I know we (we as in the actual Cowboys FO) liked Delmas and Unger a lot going into the draft. Might've been worth it to trade all our tradable picks to get those two guys. A lot of us here also liked guys like Mike Wallace and a number of other guys that would've filled a need for us. We passed on a fair amount of decent players to take some nobodies that didn't end up panning out. It honestly looks like Phillips will be the only regular, useful contributor from that draft of TWELVE picks. Heck a bunch of them didn't even make it through training camp before getting cut. Butler may provide a few quality plays, McGee may be a decent back up and Buehler may get us some touchbacks, but there's no doubt we passed up numerous chances to get a few bonified starters either by staying put or packaging picks and trading.....even without our first for the Roy Williams trade.
Even those of us who have been most harsh about the '09 draft recognize the sheer genius of the Scouting Dept that has gotten a probowl QB and WR from the undrafted FA pile as well as a probowl DT in the seventh round. Awesome stuff to say the least. But its still however frustrating that we so blatantly blew the '09 draft and now are bearing some of the burden from it.

 

[baj1dallas]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are teams not built through the draft?

A player should be hitting his stride in year 3. Not everyone drafted is going to be a core player or even starter but he most certainly may be a crucial part of the team.

It's *always* better to replace a guy drafted 3 years ago with a guy drafted or signed 2 years ago because he's cheaper by definition. The one exception of course is QB.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Lots of interesting things here, but the thing that remains interesting to me is the cult of the value of draft picks.

Roy Williams was a...let's just call it a big mistake. But our 1st and 3rd that year, and the productivity we got - paltry as it was - still exceeded what Seattle got from pick 3, has blown Cincy's value from pick 6 out of the water and (at least until now), far outstripped hapless Oakland at 7. Picks 11, 16, 18, 24 and 27 compare unfavorably as well.

If you added up the amount of ink spilled on the RW trade, it would easily write the number of articles written about those other failed picks added together...and probably 2 or 3 times over.

Bad draft all around, but the impact of a single bad draft is probably overstated. Teams have awful drafts all the time - look at Green Bay in '06 and '07. Someone tried to spin Pats' '07 as being different because making the Pats roster is tougher - but almost every one of those players is out of th league now.

2009 was awful. But no single draft, even if you completely whiff, destroys a franchise. It's a complete myth.