ACC 3, City of Richmond 2, Big East 2

[Cythim]

And yet We have a big east team in the championship.

Hmmm

No SEC team, not ACC team, No big Ten team, No Big Twelve Team, no Pac-10 team.

Hmmm...maybe the others are the overrated conferences.


Maybe people who don't live in the east can just quit whining about the east all the time. :laugh2:

And none of those conferences put 11 teams in the tournament or had 5 teams seeded 4 or better. The Big East was bound to get a team in due to attrition. UConn was the lucky team that only had to face a weak 2 seed in San Diego St and nothing after that besides 4 seed Kentucky.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And none of those conferences put 11 teams in the tournament or had 5 teams seeded 4 or better. The Big East was bound to get a team in due to attrition. UConn was the lucky team that only had to face a weak 2 seed in San Diego St and nothing after that besides 4 seed Kentucky.

I know...it is that east Coast bias that made all of the other conferences fall by the way side. Darn you east coast bias.

That make you feel better...maybe you need a shoulder to cry on.:laugh1:

 

[Cythim]

I know...it is that east Coast bias that made all of the other conferences fall by the way side. Darn you east coast bias.

That make you feel better...maybe you need a shoulder to cry on.:laugh1:

You are mixing up my words. East coast bias is why there is bitterness toward the Big East. The other conferences "fell by the way side" because only two teams can make the final. I'm not crying, I am stating facts.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You are mixing up my words. East coast bias is why there is bitterness toward the Big East. The other conferences "fell by the way side" because only two teams can make the final. I'm not crying, I am stating facts.

And proves my point that many in the west always whine and cry about east coast bias.

Always full of excuses and complaining about the big east.

Yet at the end of the day, no matter the excuses, they have a team in the championship.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I'm not crying,

Yes, yes you are.

You are crying, or better put, whining that after 4 months of building resume's, the Big East had 11 teams qualify.
Even if it was 10 or 9, .. still more than other conferences.

Writers, broadcasters, coaches, AD's all agreed, ... all season long.

Your continued whining will not change that fact.

Maybe next year you will get what you want.

 

[Cythim]

And proves my point that many in the west always whine and cry about east coast bias.

Always full of excuses and complaining about the big east.

Yet at the end of the day, no matter the excuses, they have a team in the championship.

Since when was that your point?For the first time since 2004? The SEC, ACC and Big 10 have had a better showing yet they don't get the praise the Big East does. Showing up once every five years doesn't prove anything.

 

[Cythim]

Yes, yes you are.

You are crying, or better put, whining that after 4 months of building resume's, the Big East had 11 teams qualify.
Even if it was 10 or 9, .. still more than other conferences.

Writers, broadcasters, coaches, AD's all agreed, ... all season long.

Your continued whining will not change that fact.

Maybe next year you will get what you want.

So you can detect a whining tone from the text on your screen? You talk about four months but writers, broadcasters, coaches, AD's all agree that the regular season is meaningless in college basketball. The tournament is what matters and it is easy to build a resume that gets you invited if you can field a decent team.

This is where it counts and the Big East proved in the first two rounds that they were not as good as ESPN touted them to be.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Since when was that your point?For the first time since 2004? The SEC, ACC and Big 10 have had a better showing yet they don't get the praise the Big East does. Showing up once every five years doesn't prove anything.

It proves that people, like you, whine about east coast bias...which you have been doing.

I don't care about last year, I don't care about 5 years ago, I don't care about 25 years ago.

Seems to me it shows that a Big East team is playing in the championship tonight...win or lose they made it to the championship.

It has to stick in your crawl and feed your east coast bias paranoia.

Why don't you quit whining about it and just be happy for the A&M womans basketball team.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So you can detect a whining tone from the text on your screen? You talk about four months but writers, broadcasters, coaches, AD's all agree that the regular season is meaningless in college basketball. The tournament is what matters and it is easy to build a resume that gets you invited if you can field a decent team.

This is where it counts and the Big East proved in the first two rounds that they were not as good as ESPN touted them to be.

It's pretty obvious that you are whining.

Maybe your trouble is putting too much stock into what ESPN is saying in the first place.

Whaaa East Coast bias.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The Big East was bound to get a team in due to attrition.

That is really a silly statement.

Every other conference could have had ALL of their teams in the tournament but that wouldn't have increased their odds of getting in the finals due to attrition. If their best teams didn't make it, their cellar dwellers wouldn't either.

If you are going to look at it that way, the Big East had 11 teams in, .. with that many surely 4 or so would lose to inferior teams.

Just because of the parity in college basketball today.

 

[Cythim]

It's pretty obvious that you are whining.

Maybe your trouble is putting too much stock into what ESPN is saying in the first place.

Whaaa East Coast bias.

I would understand your point if I had a horse in this race, but I don't. Mine is an objective opinion built around the facts of what has taken place throughout the history of the tournament. If you argued the facts instead of attacking me personally you would come to realize the truth behind what I say.

As for ESPN, I do not put stock in what they say. I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. This is why my bracket is in the 95th percentile and featured one (UConn) Big East team in the Elite Eight. I had them losing to Arizona, whoops.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I would understand your point if I had a horse in this race, but I don't. Mine is an objective opinion built around the facts of what has taken place throughout the history of the tournament. If you argued the facts instead of attacking me personally you would come to realize the truth behind what I say.

As for ESPN, I do not put stock in what they say. I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. This is why my bracket is in the 95th percentile and featured one (UConn) Big East team in the Elite Eight. I had them losing to Arizona, whoops.

Sorry...when I see so many people whine about big east bias...and it happens a great deal on a dallas cowboys board as many times members are from the west...it grates on my nerves.

So again east coast bias sounds like whining to me.

 

[Cythim]

That is really a silly statement.

Every other conference could have had ALL of their teams in the tournament but that wouldn't have increased their odds of getting in the finals due to attrition. If their best teams didn't make it, their cellar dwellers wouldn't either.

If you are going to look at it that way, the Big East had 11 teams in, .. with that many surely 4 or so would lose to inferior teams.

Just because of the parity in college basketball today.

I am not surprised that you still do not understand how the tournament works. Cellar dwellers clear the way for the best teams. This is why Kansas played four games against teams seeded no better than 9 and why UConn didn't have to face Duke, North Carolina or Ohio State to make the championship.

Personally I think the tournament is a joke. The Butler and VCU stories are cute but I want to see the best teams play each other. Get rid of the first round and cut it back to the 32 teams that actually have some sort of chance to make the final.

 

[WV Cowboy]

So you can detect a whining tone from the text on your screen?

Yea, it really wasn't that hard.

You talk about four months but writers, broadcasters, coaches, AD's all agree that the regular season is meaningless in college basketball.

You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. If the regular season in meaningless, .. how do they select the field, .. how do they select which region to place them in, .. how do they assign a seed to each team??

The tournament is what matters and it is easy to build a resume that gets you invited if you can field a decent team.

If that is true, why didn't other conferences put more teams in?

These are your words, not mine.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The tournament is what matters ...

This is where it counts ...

Personally I think the tournament is a joke.

If this is confusing you, I will just stop.

Cellar dwellers clear the way for the best teams.

Be sure to tell Butler and VCU this.

.. and why UConn didn't have to face Duke,

Whew, that's a relief, .. #1 seed Duke just got past Michigan by a whisker on a last second miss by Michigan, and then got blasted by #5 seed Arizona.

But the Big East is over-rated.

Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Cythim]

Sorry...when I see so many people whine about big east bias...and it happens a great deal on a dallas cowboys board as many times members are from the west...it grates on my nerves.

So again east coast bias sounds like whining to me.

I can respect the east coast when it is deserved, which is in most cases, but the overwhelming love it receives sometimes can go too far. There is no doubting that the SEC is the best football conference, the Yankees and Red Sox dominate MLB and the best college basketball comes from North Carolina. I accept these truths but there is a lot of bias that tries to push the east ahead of the west when it is not deserved.

The Big East is one of these. They are a conference built around basketball so naturally they have a lot of schools that are good at basketball. I am not contending that they aren't among the best or don't have the most schools deserving a spot in the tournament. My beef is the love they get and all the biased analysts who had two or three Big East teams in the Final Four. My unbiased opinion correctly put only one Big East team in the Elite Eight so how could so many "experts" put more than one team in the Final Four?

Gottlieb was the only one on ESPN that went against the Big East trend, picking 5 to make the Sweet 16 but none in the Elite 8. Of course he only had two Elite 8 teams picked correctly so I won't listen to him next year when looking for a qualified opinion. I think he has a beef with the Big East that he tries to deny.

 

[Cythim]

If this is confusing you, I will just stop.

It is the system, but a joke of a system for actually deciding who the best overall team is.

Be sure to tell Butler and VCU this.

Again, one season does not make it a trend. Neither team is a basement team and I thought Butler was severely underrated in this tournament in so far as how well they were playing when it started (not losing since Feb 3). VCU is a scrappy team that was surprising everyone they crushed Kansas behind the 3pt line and had the Jayhawks throwing up a lot of desperate shots.

Whew, that's a relief, .. #1 seed Duke just got past Michigan by a whisker on a last second miss by Michigan, and then got blasted by #5 seed Arizona.

But the Big East is over-rated.

you act as if Duke is some sort of push-over. Losing to a 5 seed is a respectable way to exit the tournament, especially when that 5 seed is anchored by one of the best players in the country.

 

[WV Cowboy]

you act as if Duke is some sort of push-over. Losing to a 5 seed is a respectable way to exit the tournament,

Not when you are a #1 seed, .. in the tournament they underperformed.

You are judging the Big East by one measure and everyone else by another.

I don't know what to tell you, you are just going to have to live with the Big East being the deepest conference, with one of the top two teams in the NCAA's.

Maybe the top, we'll see tonight.

 

[DFWJC]

I am not surprised that you still do not understand how the tournament works. Cellar dwellers clear the way for the best teams. This is why Kansas played four games against teams seeded no better than 9 and why UConn didn't have to face Duke, North Carolina or Ohio State to make the championship.

Personally I think the tournament is a joke. The Butler and VCU stories are cute but I want to see the best teams play each other. Get rid of the first round and cut it back to the 32 teams that actually have some sort of chance to make the final.

Maybe you should review your NCAA tourney history.
Far and away we most often see teams seeded either 1,2 or 3 making up the entire Final Four. This year was rare..in fact a first...that there were no number 1 seeds.

The tourney is awesome and the vast majority (my guess is 95%) of basketball fans love it!

But now I just remembered something.......
Aren't you are a BCS apologist? If so, your view of what competition should look like is a bit different than most sports fans.

A story like Butler is the exact reason why you can't allow polls to decide who would be in a Final. They have now run the guantlet two straight years to make it to the finals. That cannot be a fluke. Has it maybe crossed your mind but they were underrated afterall? I would not bet for them in a 7 game series vs Ohio State, but at least they earned their way to the finals vs being voted there like in athe BCS.

 

[Temo]

The Big East is one of these. They are a conference built around basketball so naturally they have a lot of schools that are good at basketball. I am not contending that they aren't among the best or don't have the most schools deserving a spot in the tournament. My beef is the love they get and all the biased analysts who had two or three Big East teams in the Final Four. My unbiased opinion correctly put only one Big East team in the Elite Eight so how could so many "experts" put more than one team in the Final Four?

I don't understand what makes an analyst biased. If simply being wrong makes you biased, then we're all biased because no one is ever always correct in predicting the outcomes of athletic competitions. The vast majority of people, including analysts, cannot beat Vegas odds when predicting athletic events.

This applies to all experts predicting outcomes in all sorts of sports, from high school to professional to Olympic. If you do find someone who can outperform Vegas odds, I suggest you make friends and ride his or her coattails to wealth.

I congratulate you on being "correctly" pessimistic on the Big East, but it's dubious that this establishes you as unbiased and everyone else as biased.