Actual Radio Conversation Of A British Naval Ship And The Irish

[MapleLeaf]

Yeah, but the Canadian military in it's entirity couldnt successfully invade Buffalo. The American military is an entire order of magnitude larger than its Canadian counterpart. Additionally, more US servicemen and women experience active war zones every day than Canadians have TOTAL since World War II.

...squat in this situation just like draft order means squat on your ability to play football, be coachable, learn plays and just using your head in game.

It never how much you do, its what you do when it counts. Anyone who has a lick of understanding of military history knows what Canada has done in world wide conflict in the modern age.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

...you exhibit has something more to do with the fact you can't understand why the numbers, independent of the percentage, has a trend towards something more disturbing.

The Pentagon released that 7 out of every 1000 US servicemen desert the service.

So in regards to the poster who felt he had to pop off a joke about Canadians being part of a tag for desertion I think he is off base and your retort doesn't even being to explain why the numbers are as they are.

In the most recent global incidents there was no conscription for either the US, UK or Canada. You signed up you know the consequences.

I don't think there is any basis for categorizing Canadians as deserters or otherwise when the percentages or facts don't support it.

And you're showing a bit of a disconnect with the actual facts regarding desertion rate as applied to active service personnel in hostile AO's.

The American rate of desertion was highest in 2007 and 2008. Our standing force is a hair under 1.5 million, however, during that same time hundreds of thousands of reservists were called up to serve as well.

Including reservists in active duty rolls, the desertion rate, at its highest point during IOF1, IOF2, and Afghanistan was 1 in about 450-500 which is significantly less than your 7 out of a 1000 rate you're attributing to Pentagon released information. Furthermore, that number has fallen to an annual rate of less than 1300 per year. Again, that's a HUGE difference compared to the number you've quoted. If you have a link for where you found that, I'd still like to read it.

Considering both UK and US forces experienced similar upswings and then down trending desertion rates with their forces leading the efforts in the Middle East and Afghanistan, it's not remotely accurate to ascribe any greater sense of duty to the Canadians had more been deployed in greater numbers.

Fact is, Canada and the US have the longest unprotected border of any two nations in the world for a reason. You'd have to be a complete idiot to invade any country with a contiguous border with the United States. Canada does have a proud and outstanding record of achievement in all modern conflicts, and the militaries of the two countries would undoubtedly be fighting shoulder to shoulder to protect the homeland of each other should anyone with hostile intent step foot on either's sovereign soil.

 

[MapleLeaf]

And you're showing a bit of a disconnect with the actual facts regarding desertion rate as applied to active service personnel in hostile AO's.

The American rate of desertion was highest in 2007 and 2008. Our standing force is a hair under 1.5 million, however, during that same time hundreds of thousands of reservists were called up to serve as well.

Including reservists in active duty rolls, the desertion rate, at its highest point during IOF1, IOF2, and Afghanistan was 1 in about 450-500 which is significantly less than your 7 out of a 1000 rate you're attributing to Pentagon released information. Furthermore, that number has fallen to an annual rate of less than 1300 per year. Again, that's a HUGE difference compared to the number you've quoted. If you have a link for where you found that, I'd still like to read it.

Considering both UK and US forces experienced similar upswings and then down trending desertion rates with their forces leading the efforts in the Middle East and Afghanistan, it's not remotely accurate to ascribe any greater sense of duty to the Canadians had more been deployed in greater numbers.

Fact is, Canada and the US have the longest unprotected border of any two nations in the world for a reason. You'd have to be a complete idiot to invade any country with a contiguous border with the United States. Canada does have a proud and outstanding record of achievement in all modern conflicts, and the militaries of the two countries would undoubtedly be fighting shoulder to shoulder to protect the homeland of each other should anyone with hostile intent step foot on either's sovereign soil.

..."Since 1988, only nine charges of desertion have been laid against Canadian Forces members. If just desertion charges are considered, Canada appears to be fairing quite well compared to other militaries.

According to the U.S. army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007 (which ended Sept. 30), compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted, compared to 3,301 the previous year, of a force of just over one million.

As for the British army, another one of our allies in Afghanistan, the Telegraph newspaper reported in late 2007 that almost 1,000 soldiers were absent without leave in a total force of 196,000. The paper also reported that since the fighting in Iraq began in 2003 there have been more than 11,000 cases of absence without leave."


I typed this from a Maclean's article Wednesday July 30, 2008. I have the mags, but no link.

Next I'm not sure we are on the same page or where anyone could ever construe that I made light on any intent of any invasion.

The only person to make mention of such a thought was 30 yard slant in his post.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I've got ocean front property in Arizona. David, you want some?

 

[Concord]

Canada has nothing to be ashamed of

Juno Beach - The Canadians On D-Day


On D-Day, June 6, 1944, “Operation Overlord”, the long-awaited invasion of ****-occupied Europe, began with Allied armies from the U.S., Britain and Canada landing on the coast of Normandy. On D-Day, the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division landed on Juno Beach. The Canadian assault troops stormed ashore in the face of fierce opposition from German strongholds and mined beach obstacles. The soldiers raced across the wide-open beaches swept with machine gun fire, and stormed the gun positions. In fierce hand-to-hand fighting, they fought their way into the towns of Bernières, Courseulles and St. Aubin and then advanced inland, securing a critical bridgehead for the allied invasion. The victory was a turning point in World War II and led to the liberation of Europe and the defeat of **** Germany.

Fourteen thousand young Canadians stormed Juno Beach on D-Day. Their courage, determination and self-sacrifice were the immediate reasons for the success in those critical hours. The fighting they endured was fierce and frightening. The price they paid was high - the battles for the beachhead cost 340 Canadian lives and another 574 wounded. John Keegan, eminent British historian who wrote Six Armies in Normandy, stated the following concerning the Canadian 3rd Division on D-Day: “At the end of the day, its forward elements stood deeper into France than those of any other division. The opposition the Canadians faced was stronger than that of any other beach save Omaha. That was an accomplishment in which the whole nation could take considerable pride.”

This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the Canadian Army during D-Day and World War II. To these people, we owe the freedom that we take for granted. Let us never forget their sacrifice. God bless them all.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Nobody is bashing the Canadian Military. Davidyee is just stepping on toes when he tries to throw has insulting garbage out about the US and UK Military. Especially when he doesn't weight it against circumstances.

He seems to think going AWOL from your living room and going AWOL from war torn Iraq are the same thing.

 

[ethiostar]

Sooooo, how about that joke, eh? Pretty funny, wouldn't you say?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sooooo, how about that joke, eh? Pretty funny, wouldn't you say?

 

[Mitcha68]

A friend wants to swap the french cook for a mexican cook lol

I remember Anthony Bourdain said some of the best cooks of French food are Mexican. lol

We're everywhere! :laugh1:

 

[Concord]

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[ologan]

...American before Canadian given your country has a long history of deserters.

We know they are always trying to claim asylum in Canada and I personally knew three of them as a young child liviing in small town Saskatchewan.

Well,some of us didn't back in the late 60's-early 70's.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I've got ocean front property in Arizona. David, you want some?

...after talking to a few posters and some US friends I bought a home near Sonoma during your housing crash.

Prices were smoking and the bank had no choice. Actually they kept calling me here up in Canada to do the deal. The in-laws hang out there for most of winter and I visit with the kids once a year.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Well,some of us didn't back in the late 60's-early 70's.

...the morality or judgement of a specific person, but rather the wholesale labelling of nations as a joke and the realities behind the labels.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I say we burn him. Who's in?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

 

[MapleLeaf]

Nobody is bashing the Canadian Military. Davidyee is just stepping on toes when he tries to throw has insulting garbage out about the US and UK Military. Especially when he doesn't weight it against circumstances.

He seems to think going AWOL from your living room and going AWOL from war torn Iraq are the same thing.

...unable to deal with the context of the original post and then consider what I present as insulting when it could possibly be no worse than the label cast upon Canada.

It's convenient for you to brandish your posting sword on a singular post, but not realistic to consider the post content in regards to the OP.

This is really about a group of posters based out of the US labelling Canada in a disparaging joke which I felt was unfounded given what I had read about the US experience.

It was really a example of the pot calling the kettle black, and you seem to have twisted it along with other posters so it mixed in the army sizes to wars fought and invasions of nations???

 

[Khartun]

...unable to deal with the context of the original post and then consider what I present as insulting when it could possibly be no worse than the label cast upon Canada.

It's convenient for you to brandish your posting sword on a singular post, but not realistic to consider the post content in regards to the OP.

This is really about a group of posters based out of the US labelling Canada in a disparaging joke which I felt was unfounded given what I had read about the US experience.

It was really a example of the pot calling the kettle black, and you seem to have twisted it along with other posters so it mixed in the army sizes to wars fought and invasions of nations???

Actually, the OP had absolutely nothing to do with Canada. Someone else said something about Canada and you started going on about desertion rates which you somehow seem to think makes the Canadian military superior.

 

[YosemiteSam]

...unable to deal with the context of the original post and then consider what I present as insulting when it could possibly be no worse than the label cast upon Canada.

It's convenient for you to brandish your posting sword on a singular post, but not realistic to consider the post content in regards to the OP.

This is really about a group of posters based out of the US labelling Canada in a disparaging joke which I felt was unfounded given what I had read about the US experience.

It was really a example of the pot calling the kettle black, and you seem to have twisted it along with other posters so it mixed in the army sizes to wars fought and invasions of nations???

This is a UMADBRO situation.

 

[trickblue]

Let's tone it down a bit... things are easily taken out of context via straight text.

David's been a good poster here for a long time and I know he has no problem with Americans...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Hey buddy. Canadian military consists of 110,000 active duty soldiers. The American military consists of over 1.4 million.

The US Military had a force the size of Canada's entire armed forces in Afghanistan alone. You know how many Canadian forces where there? 2,500. That's it! No wonder nobody goes AWOL in Canada, most never leave the confines of their living room.

War is a ***** and 95% of the Canadian military has never seen it except on television.

That isn't a slap at the Canadian Military. It's a slap at your ignorance of why the numbers are the way they are. It isn't because Canadian's don't go AWOL as much as US or UK forces.

Of course it is a slap at Canada.