Adrian Wilson?

[tm1119]

I think Wilcox has the skills at least speaking athletically. Johnson must have. Church is an average guy who tackles and hits well.

I think any good true FS will tell you that instincts trump athletic ability. I just don't think it's realistic to think Wilcox is anywhere near ready to play a single high FS by himself. I do think he will develop into a pretty darn good SS though. Or at least a faster version of Church.

Johnson? Let me know when he plays a down of nfl football. We have no clue if that will ever even happen.

And yeah church pretty much is what he is.

That group just doesn't instill confidence in me. I can just see Jackson and Cruz sprinting down the sidelines for a TD already because the safety was out of position.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Was released by the Pats earlier.

If he wasn't 60 he would be worth a look.

 

[LittleD]

I think any good true FS will tell you that instincts trump athletic ability. I just don't think it's realistic to think Wilcox is anywhere near ready to play a single high FS by himself. I do think he will develop into a pretty darn good SS though. Or at least a faster version of Church.

Johnson? Let me know when he plays a down of nfl football. We have no clue if that will ever even happen.

And yeah church pretty much is what he is.

That group just doesn't instill confidence in me. I can just see Jackson and Cruz sprinting down the sidelines for a TD already because the safety was out of position.

It doesn't really matter because according to Eatman and Broaddus at the ranch, they've talked to the coaches and scouts and have said several times
that they are just fine with what they have. They want to at least go to training camp and see if 1 of the 3 can take the starting FS job for real. Actually, Eatman the other day said that the staff looked at the stats and they weren't that bad because the defensive line was so bad!!!
Pretty much you can forget the Boys looking at safety in the 1st 3 rounds due to more pressing needs on the lines and at LB.

 

[Fredd]

It doesn't really matter because according to Eatman and Broaddus at the ranch, they've talked to the coaches and scouts and have said several times
that they are just fine with what they have. They want to at least go to training camp and see if 1 of the 3 can take the starting FS job for real. Actually, Eatman the other day said that the staff looked at the stats and they weren't that bad because the defensive line was so bad!!!
Pretty much you can forget the Boys looking at safety in the 1st 3 rounds due to more pressing needs on the lines and at LB.

And I believe that to be the prudent move (not taking a safety)

 

[tm1119]

It doesn't really matter because according to Eatman and Broaddus at the ranch, they've talked to the coaches and scouts and have said several times
that they are just fine with what they have. They want to at least go to training camp and see if 1 of the 3 can take the starting FS job for real. Actually, Eatman the other day said that the staff looked at the stats and they weren't that bad because the defensive line was so bad!!!
Pretty much you can forget the Boys looking at safety in the 1st 3 rounds due to more pressing needs on the lines and at LB.

I have no clue how anyone could possibly think LB is more of a pressing need than S.

 

[jnday]

The safety position has been ignored for years and it seems that it they are willing to continue the trend. Church is nothing more than a role player and his speed is a liability. The others are small school projects that have little chance of developing into top quality players. It is insane to continue this approach to fixing the problem considering how important good safety play can be for a top defense.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The safety position has been ignored for years and it seems that it they are willing to continue the trend. Church is nothing more than a role player and his speed is a liability. The others are small school projects that have little chance of developing into top quality players. It is insane to continue this approach to fixing the problem considering how important good safety play can be for a top defense.

Being ignored is not the same as not being addressed in the manner you would like for it to be addressed.

They did not ignore the line for years...they just did not put as much of a priority on it until they finally changed and got T.Smith and T.Frederick.

Same with the Safety position. They have not ignored it. They just have not made it a priority as they have had with other positions.

Not addressing it like you (and others) want it addressed does not equal ignoring it.

Personally I would rather they put the trenches as the priority...something they have failed to do and are hopefully now changing.

 

[Section446]

Again, no more old guys. We still have a few we need to get rid of, don't start adding more.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

We are in huge trouble is Heath is our #3 safety. We should be good enough with a healthy Church and Wilcox.

Heath was better than Wilcox last year if you ask me. He actually made some plays . Yes he looked out of place on deep balls but what do you want from an undrafted rookie . Wilcox ? I mean he took bad angles several times last season and often has chances to make tackles and has bad technique . Maybe he will improve but he was benched for Heath . Says a lot.

 

[LittleD]

Heath was better than Wilcox last year if you ask me. He actually made some plays . Yes he looked out of place on deep balls but what do you want from an undrafted rookie . Wilcox ? I mean he took bad angles several times last season and often has chances to make tackles and has bad technique . Maybe he will improve but he was benched for Heath . Says a lot.

I agree with you and so does Eatman and Broaddus. Heath actually had many more tackles than thought and surprised the defensive coaches.
Geez, give these young guys a chance. Heath is an undrafted rookie from a very small college and Wilcox has only played the position for 1 year.
They both should be better this year after a year of training and another training camp. If neither one takes the bit, then I suspect that they will draft another
one next year. The cowboys just do not believe in taking a safety or guard in the 1st round and I don't think that's gonna change. They look for players in the 1st to be 1st game starters and potential impact players such as Tackles, DE, LB's with speed, TE, and WR. The youth movement is going to continue
for the next few years until the next generation of players are locked in place....Bank it!!!

 

[tm1119]

I agree with you and so does Eatman and Broaddus. Heath actually had many more tackles than thought and surprised the defensive coaches.
Geez, give these young guys a chance. Heath is an undrafted rookie from a very small college and Wilcox has only played the position for 1 year.
They both should be better this year after a year of training and another training camp. If neither one takes the bit, then I suspect that they will draft another
one next year. The cowboys just do not believe in taking a safety or guard in the 1st round and I don't think that's gonna change. They look for players in the 1st to be 1st game starters and potential impact players such as Tackles, DE, LB's with speed, TE, and WR. The youth movement is going to continue
for the next few years until the next generation of players are locked in place....Bank it!!!

It's the year 2014, teams are throwing the ball 60+% of the time and 3+ WR's has become the standard package. Plus add in the fact that TE's are becoming more and more athletic and downfield threats. The notion that safety, especially FS, isn't an important or premium position is asinine honestly.

 

[LittleD]

It's the year 2014, teams are throwing the ball 60+% of the time and 3+ WR's has become the standard package. Plus add in the fact that TE's are becoming more and more athletic and downfield threats. The notion that safety, especially FS, isn't an important or premium position is asinine honestly.

I kind of agree with you but Broaddus spoke with the defensive coaches and in this scheme of the 4x3, safeties are not a prime position. They
focus on the defensive line to get to the QB and thus put less pressure on the backend. That is just the facts whether we agree or like it...

 

[tm1119]

I kind of agree with you but Broaddus spoke with the defensive coaches and in this scheme of the 4x3, safeties are not a prime position. They
focus on the defensive line to get to the QB and thus put less pressure on the backend. That is just the facts whether we agree or like it...

The results will speak to whether it's actually a fact or not....I'll believe Barry Church, JJ Wilcox, and Jeff Heath forming a respectable safety tandem when I see it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The results will speak to whether it's actually a fact or not....I'll believe Barry Church, JJ Wilcox, and Jeff Heath forming a respectable safety tandem when I see it.

The results have no bearing on the fact that what he said was correct.

They, the coaches, view it how they view it.

Now until the coaches change or Jerry does another direction change...that is how they view it.

 

[renny]

What has Wilcox ever done that would make you think he can be an NFL starter at FS next year. Besides simply being drafted by the Cowboys of course.

Wilcox didn't play that well last season, but I wonder if his play suffered because of the illness/death of his mother. This was a young kid with family issues that he was dealing with. Give him time.

 

[LittleD]

The results will speak to whether it's actually a fact or not....I'll believe Barry Church, JJ Wilcox, and Jeff Heath forming a respectable safety tandem when I see it.

Don't forget Matt Johnson... From the coaches, they still think he has a chance to play in this scheme.
This scheme of the 4x3 is all about the front 7. Here are the prime positions:
DT-3T
WDE
SDE
WLB
MLB
SDE
DT-1T
SLB
LCB
RCB
FS
SS
in order of position...

 

[jobberone]

I think any good true FS will tell you that instincts trump athletic ability. I just don't think it's realistic to think Wilcox is anywhere near ready to play a single high FS by himself. I do think he will develop into a pretty darn good SS though. Or at least a faster version of Church.

Johnson? Let me know when he plays a down of nfl football. We have no clue if that will ever even happen.

And yeah church pretty much is what he is.

That group just doesn't instill confidence in me. I can just see Jackson and Cruz sprinting down the sidelines for a TD already because the safety was out of position.

Wilcox started to show something late in the year but he was, as expected, very inconsistent. If he has any instincts then he'll be a player at FS. The coaches like Johnson so I assumed he had something athletically to play the game. But that's just an assumption. I have no idea what to expect from Johnson. You can pick up a lot from the film room and chalkboard but you have to play the game to get the most from it.

 

[jobberone]

Don't forget Matt Johnson... From the coaches, they still think he has a chance to play in this scheme.
This scheme of the 4x3 is all about the front 7. Here are the prime positions:
DT-3T
WDE
SDE
WLB
MLB
SDE
DT-1T
SLB
LCB
RCB
FS
SS
in order of position...

I'd rank the DL 1, Mike 2 and FS 3 but this isn't a Tampa 2 so I don't know. If you're the guy on the button then you have to make a play IMO. So 1 thru 11 are equal. And they generally pick on the weak links anyway.

 

[jnday]

Being ignored is not the same as not being addressed in the manner you would like for it to be addressed.

They did not ignore the line for years...they just did not put as much of a priority on it until they finally changed and got T.Smith and T.Frederick.

Same with the Safety position. They have not ignored it. They just have not made it a priority as they have had with other positions.

Not addressing it like you (and others) want it addressed does not equal ignoring it.

Personally I would rather they put the trenches as the priority...something they have failed to do and are hopefully now changing.

I am a firm believer in the trenches , but safety has been a lingering problem for years. The trenches includes many more positions, so more resources should go there. I will use the term "ignore" again. They have ignored many quality options at the safety position and have depended on hopes and prayers as a solution. The results are to be expected. I don't care for an old get as a progress stopper, but in this case the get wouldn't be stopping much progress. The small school projects will need a couple of seasons to pan out, if they ever do. I do consider the team as ignoring the position much like they have the trenches. As I stated, they ignored quality options repeatedly in several situations.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Pass. Wilson is pretty washed up