Advice for my fellow Draftniks...

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I've been following the NFL Draft closely now for a little over 20 years. While I certainly don't claim to know it all, I do feel like I've gleamed a few things over the years.

Here's some thoughts I'd like to share:

I. For the most part, the Kipers, Mayocks, McShays, et cetera, of the draft world are reliably fallible. That is not to say they don't do their homework or don't have insightful info to share. What I am saying is if you follow college football closely and feel like you understand the game and what you're looking at, trust your instincts and your own analysis.

When I was much younger, I thought everything said by guys like Kiper was golden. As I got older and more familiarized with the skills, traits and abilities NFL teams and scouts often looked for, I started viewing players with my own perspective. Oftentimes, my analysis wouldn't jive with what the "experts" said. After "hitting" on a few prospects the experts weren't high on I came to a conclusion: the experts don't really know more than me and often times are full of crap.

II. Refrencing some arbritrary "draft grade" a publication or website gave a particular player is really meaningless. Saying "hey, player X is great value here because he was projected in this round by JoeBlowDraftGuru.com before the season," is really pointless. First, a projection is just that, it's not set in stone or has any relevance to how a player is viewed at by NFL teams.

Rule of thumb: Roughly half the players listed as first-rounders in draft publications in May won't even sniff the first-round come draft time in April.

III. If you're projecting draft day trades, know this: draft picks are at their highest value on draft day. Players are at their lowest value on draft day.

IV. It's just my opinion, but I think mock drafts are pointless. Typically, in most drafts one can predict the first 5-7 picks with some degree of accuracy. Mock drafts that go three rounds or deeper are simply silly. When I see fans post their mock drafts, they tend to be unrealistic, and rather just a list of players they've targeted for their team.

V. Watch the games! Don't base your opinion of a player off of YouTube highlights. Don't read a publication and parrot someone else's opinion. Speak on the players you know, if you're not familiar with a player, don't sweat it. It's impossible to watch every single Division I & II college player on both sides of the ball, no reasonable person would hold your feet to the fire for not knowing who Northeast Polytech State's starting right guard is.
 
You fail to realize how this board utilizes the draft gurus.

if they like their pets, they are great.

if they badmouth their pets, they are hacks.

Same goes for after the draft.

if they grade the Cowboys draft highly then it's " see, our GM is awesome because Kiper said so"

if they give us a poor grade they are once again, hacks.

Seriously, I have been following the draft so long that I have my own opinions on players but I'll listen to them all right now because they are talking about one of my biggest hobbies, the draft.

Out of the guys you mentioned I like Mayock the best.
 
McSchay has not earned to be in that list. Just b/c ESPN puts his face out there does not make him a reputable source.


We dont have game tape, so for a lot of these guys, yes I watch them on the youtubes. I dont like highlight reels though. Im noticing more and more complete games are being put on there. I thought the Carimi/Heyward one was very interesting and obviosuly relevant to us.

I thought Carimi faired well.
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3800340 said:
McSchay has not earned to be in that list. Just b/c ESPN puts his face out there does not make him a reputable source.


We dont have game tape, so for a lot of these guys, yes I watch them on the youtubes. I dont like highlight reels though. Im noticing more and more complete games are being put on there. I thought the Carimi/Heyward one was very interesting and obviosuly relevant to us.

I thought Carimi faired well.

I should clarify, viewing YouTube highlights isn't a bad thing at all. Use them as a supplment, but not the end-all-be-all. Actually, there are a lot better video sources on YouTube now that show an individual player and all his snaps during a game, good or bad. Those types of "highlights" are very useful in seeing how a player performs.

BTW, I know what Carimi/Heyward video you're speaking of and Carimi did look very good. In fact, there's also a video of him with his matchup against Adrian Clayborn in which he pretty much dominates Clayborn physically all game.
 
IIRC, some draft mocks and mocks by posters here had the Cowboys taking AOA in the 4th rd last draft. I thought that was kind of interesting that that is exactly and to who he actually went. Pretty good for the 4th rd.

I think this year it will be very difficult to guess the Cowboy draft because the Cowboys have so many needs.

Also, I don't see a consensus top pick in this draft. It's hard guessing even which direction Carolina will go with the top pick.
 
realtick;3800363 said:
I should clarify, viewing YouTube highlights isn't a bad thing at all. Use them as a supplment, but not the end-all-be-all. Actually, there are a lot better video sources on YouTube now that show an individual player and all his snaps during a game, good or bad. Those types of "highlights" are very useful in seeing how a player performs.

lol....Thats exactly what I just said
 
You could have saved a lot of time by just having one step.

1. Use Common Sense


:laugh2:
 
realtick;3800325 said:
IV. It's just my opinion, but I think mock drafts are pointless. Typically, in most drafts one can predict the first 5-7 picks with some degree of accuracy. Mock drafts that go three rounds or deeper are simply silly. When I see fans post their mock drafts, they tend to be unrealistic, and rather just a list of players they've targeted for their team.

I'm going to disagree a tad here. If you follow the rest of your advice and is someone who really puts the time into draft a mock can be a great way to determine value and who may or may not be on the board when your teams picks. Typially after round 3 or 4 your analysis will be blown to hell but by using the same philosophy during the draft and staying updated you may find you can predict your teams next choice with surprising accuracy.
 
I'll also disagree on them being pointless in that it gives you a chance to learn about guys you wouldn't otherwise. I've ended up learning more about guys I've seen in the mocks of others and I hope people have found out about guys from mine.

I enjoy reading everyone's mocks and they're fun to do.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of us aren't going to do any pro scouting anytime soon and the Cowboys could care less what we think of any of the players coming out, we do this because we think it's interesting and it's a fun diversion during the off season.
 
SDogo;3800685 said:
I'm going to disagree a tad here. If you follow the rest of your advice and is someone who really puts the time into draft a mock can be a great way to determine value and who may or may not be on the board when your teams picks. Typially after round 3 or 4 your analysis will be blown to hell but by using the same philosophy during the draft and staying updated you may find you can predict your teams next choice with surprising accuracy.

Hey, I won't disuade anyone from creating their own mock(s). It's just not an endeavor I think is particularily fruitful or meaningful, but again, that's JMO. A lot of folks get a kick out of reading and producing them and also find them useful reading.
 
realtick;3800787 said:
Hey, I won't disuade anyone from creating their own mock(s). It's just not an endeavor I think is particularily fruitful or meaningful, but again, that's JMO. A lot of folks get a kick out of it and find them useful.

I know personally I get a good amount from them. If you do the research in other area's they can be informing. I know I have been able to predict with surprising accuracy a players value that may otherwise be over valued. There have been more then a few players I have found dropping in mocks that are ranked high and they do end up falling.

Like you said though, to each their own. I can see how they could be pointless to some people. They are not for everyone.
 

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