After this season I am ready for a new head coach

[Avenging Hayseed]

Im ready for a new head coach. One who recently has been coaching a little to the south east of us...

Anyway,...thats a whole nuther thread thats already been beat to death. Heres my main talking point..... Im MORE than ready to go back to the old tried and true 4-3. Specifically the cover 2. Its stood the test of time over and over again. Nothing fancy, not over complicated for players to learn,...just strap it on and get it done.

I would be all for bringing in a known quantity D.C thats experienced in the Tampa cover 2. We already have one of the main ingredients in Sean Lee. A middle linebacker who can roam the field and drop back to the deep middle in coverage. IMO Lee fits the defense like a glove.


For the record,....I think we already have the defenders already on our roster to run it in our front seven.


Defensive line...

At left end we could go with either Crawford or Hatcher

At Left tackle we could either go with Brent or Hatcher

At right tackle we go with Ratliff


Right end we have Ware of Coarse.


L.b,s would be Spencer,....yes...I believe he has all the skills to do it. If not we have Ernie Sims on hand. Lee in the middle, and Carter as the other outside backer.

I do believe that going forward Spencer, Lee, and Carter would compare fairly favorably to the linebacking trio currently in Chicago .

We have SOME depth at d.t with Spears and Lissemore too. Would need to bring in another pass rushing end though.


Granted,....we need another safety,...but that is a position we need to address no matter what defense we run.


This defense is a whole lot less complicated, you put the defense in a position where they make an offense really have to earn their way downfield with far less explosive plays then we are giving up currently.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

It doesn't matter. The Cowboys will not have a new head coach unless the fans rebel. Stop buying tickets to the home games. Hit Jerry in his wallet and maybe he will listen.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

It doesn't matter. The Cowboys will not have a new head coach unless the fans rebel. Stop buying tickets to the home games. Hit Jerry in his wallet and maybe he will listen.

Not so sure about that. Ive been watching and listening to Jerry a long time now. Through the years you kind of learn to cut through all the smoke and mirrors B.S . Jerry is a little different lately. Barring a miracle finish, which we all know wont happen,.......If I were Garrett I wouldnt be making many long term plans in Dallas. Just sayin...

 

[IAmLegend]

Join the club.

 

[jblaze2004]

were do I sign the get peyton petition.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Actually,....my main point in the initial post was my desire to switch to a 4-3 cover 2 scheme after the season with a new D.C.

 

[Misanthrope]

Sean Payton's contract was voided because it had a clause in it saying he could leave if GM Mickey Loomis left or was fired. Such clauses are not allowed, but it shows how strongly Payton desires to keep working with him.

The Saints recently gave Loomis a new contract. Payton isn't going anywhere. He's not going to leave a situation he obviously loves for the opportunity to be Jerry's puppet.

No proven coach is going to put up with Jerry's meddling. So if Garrett goes get ready for another coordinator looking for his first HC job or another guy like Wade, desperate for one more HC job.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Sean Payton's contract was voided because it had a clause in it saying he could leave if GM Mickey Loomis left or was fired. Such clauses are not allowed, but it shows how strongly Payton desires to keep working with him.

The Saints recently gave Loomis a new contract. Payton isn't going anywhere. He's not going to leave a situation he obviously loves for the opportunity to be Jerry's puppet.

No proven coach is going to put up with Jerry's meddling. So if Garrett goes get ready for another coordinator looking for his first HC job or another guy like Wade, desperate for one more HC job.

Well if Payton really wants to stay with the Saints why hasn't he said so publicly? Why are there still people in the media saying that he wants to coach the Cowboys? We won't really know until the season is over and Peyton says something to what he wants to do.

 

[MagicMan]

Well if Payton really wants to stay with the Saints why hasn't he said so publicly? Why are there still people in the media saying that he wants to coach the Cowboys? We won't really know until the season is over and Peyton says something to what he wants to do.

Me gots a feeling that Payton may be using the Boys as a negotiating tool against the Saints....if so, smart move. Might as well get as much as you can. This is how you work the system.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Me gots a feeling that Payton may be using the Boys as a negotiating tool against the Saints....if so, smart move. Might as well get as much as you can. This is how you work the system.

I think so too. But if I was Jerry I would still try and offer something to Peyton and see if he bites. Its still worth a chance and maybe it will light a fire up Garrett's *** to make him be a better coach.

 

[RS12]

After this season I am ready for a new head coach

What took so long?

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

So basically,.....my thread was hijacked and turned into another Payton thread anyway. I see how you guys are now!

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Sooooooo,....maybe next time someone starts a thread about , Oh, say our defensive backs...I'll start posting about falling property values, unemployment,...the risk of accelerated inflation with more quantitative easing....

 

[CoCo]

Sean Payton's contract was voided because it had a clause in it saying he could leave if GM Mickey Loomis left or was fired. Such clauses are not allowed, but it shows how strongly Payton desires to keep working with him.

The Saints recently gave Loomis a new contract. Payton isn't going anywhere. He's not going to leave a situation he obviously loves for the opportunity to be Jerry's puppet.

No proven coach is going to put up with Jerry's meddling. So if Garrett goes get ready for another coordinator looking for his first HC job or another guy like Wade, desperate for one more HC job.

Here's an alternative perspective. Payton understands how critical his relationship with the FO is to on-field success. Hence the clause regarding Loomis.

Yet rumors persist that Payton would be interested in being HC in Dallas. Is it possible that Payton sees in Dallas the FO continuity and stability that he feels is essential for his success?

waits for uproarious laughter to subside...



waits still longer...




Okay, I know the often times rampant view of Jerry is that of a meddler. Yet there isn't a HC under his ownership that confirms it. Not a one. I also know he has the reputation of being a horrible GM. And yet I think those close to the situation see that Jerry listens to those he respects. I think its why Parcells came here. I think its why Garrett turned down two other offers to wait for his chance here. I think its quite possible that Payton sees Dallas a place where he could be the HC and have the FO support for his own personnel vision. It would NOT be Jerry off doing his personnel thing. Rather, Jerry supporting Payton's vision and direction. I think we saw that with Parcells and I think we're seeing it again with Garrett. I tend to think Wade was a bit softer in his own vision which left Jerry more blanks to fill in.

Maybe Payton's supposed interest in Dallas is all made up. But if he is interested he'd have to be an idiot to give up a good gig in NO to work for an overbearing bumbling idiot GM in Dallas... Unless of course that perception is not exactly reality.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

So basically,.....my thread was hijacked and turned into another Payton thread anyway. I see how you guys are now!

I would prefer the 4-3 myself. Suppose the Cowboys do go that direction, does that mean Rob Ryan is out or does he stay (assuming the coaches don't change)?

 

[CoCo]

So basically,.....my thread was hijacked and turned into another Payton thread anyway. I see how you guys are now!

Sooooooo,....maybe next time someone starts a thread about , Oh, say our defensive backs...I'll start posting about falling property values, unemployment,...the risk of accelerated inflation with more quantitative easing....

Point well taken. My apologies. I couldn't resist making that point on Payton.

Back to the original topic.

Ready for a new HC? I am ready for continuity. Garrett was my continuity hope. I get all his apparent weaknesses right now. Some of it is absolute hyperbole by people who don't know what their talking about IMO. Yet, there is also I believe some truth in some of this that has me pretty conflicted.

I'll say this about Garrett. Its early, but I like the way personnel is heading under him. And I think the HC in Dallas has LOTS of opportunity to influence player personnel if he plays his cards right. I put Jimmy, Parcells & Garrett in this category as HC voices the GM listens intently to. I wonder how much voice Campo & Wade had. I wonder how much voice they wanted? I think without a strong knowledgeable voice in the room Jerry is more than willing to make the final call - enter Quincy.

I believe in the same things Garrett professes. Process, details, repetition, code of conduct etc. I like that his actions suggest he's a continuous learner - time spent with legends like Jimmy, Coach K etc. I like that his few mentors speak highly of him even if he is inexperienced. I'd be willing to live with some reasonable growing pains if with it came a solid FO (because Jerry listens to a solid HC), consistent vision and disciplined approach. In that respect it is hard for me to throw in the towel on Garrett even while I concede there are some warts of concern.

Now I do see that Sean Payton perhaps possesses those same strengths plus the experience Garrett still lacks. But firing Garrett, to hire Payton, leaves me with a hint of that Jerry chasing the latest shiny object approach - and it troubles me some.

 

[scottsp]

With the exception of Bill Parcells, new coaches don't really seem to be a fix with the Cowboys. We could get into the real issues at hand, but we are all well aware, and we know how that discussion ends.

This is not to defend Garrett, because... for the most part, I cannot. It is simply to remind that the next hire is likely to be more of the same.

 

[CoCo]

I would prefer the 4-3 myself. Suppose the Cowboys do go that direction, does that mean Rob Ryan is out or does he stay (assuming the coaches don't change)?

Personally, I am not a Rob Ryan fan. He was according to some perhaps Garrett's 3rd choice (at least) behind Capers & Mike Nolan (my 1st choice). The Ryan family often bursts on the scene with plenty of bluster that for awhile they back up with results. I'm not sure they have the staying power I want. And Rob seems to be the least outrageous of the trio and willing to stay within the system.

But the same criticisms leveled at Garrett - players making too many mistakes because of an overly complex system can also be said of Ryan. Players running off and on, blowing covereages. Tony Dungy proclaiming " its not that hard!".

Yes, a straight-up 4-3 cover two has some appeal to me. We HAVE some very good players. I'm tired of being promised the moon (we'll do thus and so per Ryan) and too often looking foolish. Some of that is style but I wonder if some isn't substance as well.

No matter our defense, we need a couple more players. Safety for sure. Then D-line is next in line for some upgrade though I hardly consider it critical. More important would be keeping our talented LB's healthy is possible.

 

[Dodger]

Here's the thing with me: if he had just managed to show some improvement in the way players approach the game, their focus, their commitment to winning, cutting down on mistakes. That's all he had to do to win me over, but he couldn't even do that.

If anything, these issues are worse than they were last year, and I didn't think that was even possible.

This team couldn't play a relatively clean game if their collective lives depended on it, and if it's one thing that pisses me off about a football team, it's sloppy play. Getting beat because the other team is better is one thing, but handing over games because your team doesn't care enough to focus on the task at hand is quite another, and getting a team focused is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

I don't know about dumping Garrett. I haven't decided quite yet, but if I were Jerry, Garrett would be on thin ice right about now.

 

[scottsp]

And for the record, I don't Jason Garrett is completely worthless, but I do wonder about his ability to be a quality head coach. While there are things beyond his control, there are areas he absolutely can influence.

I could buy into his words of building, culture, and process, but that would imply a direction to which his team should be heading. I'm sorry, but unless someone can explain to me why penalties and mental mistakes continue to be an issue, there really isn't much you can say.

Penalties, particularly of the dead ball variety, are out of control. I have never seen anything like this.

Repeatedly this club gets caught with either too many or too few men on the field. Certain of our special teams units might even have a streak going in that department. Let's cover with ten!

Yesterday, we take a delay of game AFTER a penalty. Huh?

My personal favorite... again yesterday, Romo runs a sneak after converting the first down.

And don't get me started on situational football or time management.

People often wonder, why the two-minute or no-huddle offense better than our base look. Pretty simple in my eyes. The gameplan was more than likely defective to begin with. Once that has been scrapped, calls can be made at the line or perhaps a scaled down version with two checks at the LOS, and it's go!

Nothing about the Dallas offense says or implies attack. We march out there to start games, trying our level best to be somewhat balanced (know we are completely incapable). And then once we find ourselves down two or more scores, we make the change. The following Sunday, it's back to balance.

It would help if we could see some growth - from Garrett, from the team on the field. Myself, I don't see it. We are as mistake prone as we have ever been. I mean, it's getting worse. And it was happening before the injury bug hit.

So, when exactly does the "process" begin?