AIDS Vaccine Breakthrough

[CowboyMcCoy]

Which vaccines are you referring to?

MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.

Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."

Dr. Strom said he was unaware that human DNA was contained in vaccines but told us, "It does not matter...Even if human DNA were then found in vaccines, it does not mean that they cause autism." Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open.

A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html

 

[The30YardSlant]

I wouldn't expect anything less than a comment like this from an Aggie, wanna-be med student. History is the most important aspect of the vaccine debate. Nobody debated percentages yet, although I think some percentages are exaggerated or minimized to suit pharma and their profit agenda which is often tied to closely to lobbyists and Washington. But tow the typical Aggie line. Vaccines should still be a choice, but I know you guys aren't very good at making those. And towing the pharmaceutical line for Washington, like goats.

I'm not debating that some of the science isn't legit. But from a percentage standpoint, most people would be fine with much fewer vaccines. Some people have been flat out poisoned by them. And I do know of some research that points to early vaccines and autism.

But that's something I doubt you can back with anything other than than with Aggie schism.

I'm a fourth year medical student at Baylor in Houston. Your unsubstantiated anti-establishment dogma has about as much effect on me as the people who still question gravity.

MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.

Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."

Dr. Strom said he was unaware that human DNA was contained in vaccines but told us, "It does not matter...Even if human DNA were then found in vaccines, it does not mean that they cause autism." Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open.

A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html

There have been literally endless studies that have shown absolutely no link between vaccines and autism. The evidence is overwhelming, to the point where almost every reputable doctor, researcher and drug company considers the issue dead.

 

[joseephuss]

Do you have any idea how many endless studies have shown absolutely no link between vaccines and autism? The evidence is literally overwhelming.

Tell that to Jenny McCarthy.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Tell that to Jenny McCarthy.

There is almost nothing more pathetic than people who stick to their dogma in the face of endless empirical evidence. There has never been one single case of autism that was scientifically linked to any vaccine. Not one. We have linked individual cases of autism to X-rays, CT scans, various drugs and antibiotics and even iodine injections, but never vaccines.

The funny thing is that 99.9% of all those who still think vaccines cause autism don't even understand the means by which it could occur, they just repeat what talking heads (who also know next to nothing) tell them to think. The fact that most people who know what they're talking about throw the assertion aside effortlessly is very damning.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

There have been literally endless studies that have shown absolutely no link between vaccines and autism. The evidence is overwhelming, to the point where almost every reputable doctor, researcher and drug company considers the issue dead.

The question is what are the sources of those studies and what are their agendas? The question isn't answered, no matter how much you want to act as if it is. I bet you played with mercury as a kid.

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Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open.

Also, this is just false.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

There is almost nothing more pathetic than people who stick to their dogma in the face of endless empirical evidence. There has never been one single case of autism that was scientifically linked to any vaccine. Not one. We have linked individual cases of autism to X-rays, CT scans, various drugs and antibiotics and even iodine injections, but never vaccines.

The funny thing is that 99.9% of all those who still think vaccines cause autism don't even understand the means by which it could occur, they just repeat what talking heads (who also know next to nothing) tell them to think. The fact that most people who know what they're talking about throw the assertion aside effortlessly is very damning.

Wow... the fact is the evidence isn't in. The jury is still out on a lot of things regarding vaccines. If you can't admit that, you're worse off than I thought living up there in David Koresh land. LOL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The question is what are the sources of those studies and what are their agendas? The question isn't answered, no matter how much you want to act as if it is. I bet you played with mercury as a kid.

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Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

There are many federal and privately funded research projects that have come to the same conclusions. Do you have any idea the level of detail one must go into to actually have have their published research taken seriously and how difficult it is for ONE study to present false data and have it pass the smell test, let alone EVERY study on a particular issue? They couldnt do it if they tried. You seriously need to take off your tin foil hat. What you're suggesting isnt only illogical, it isnt even feasible in the world we live in. This isnt like suggesting the government lied about the JFK assasination or something.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Also, this is just false.

Why? Explain your case, Lucy. I'd love to hear it. I faired well amongst my peers at a school with a liberal-arts-**** science department. What you obviously don't understand about the field you're in is how it intertwines with money, politics, government and corporations. I'm not debating there are studies that refute this evidence. But I haven't seen anything convincing from any source that gives me something I should be 100% confident with in any vaccine. Who controls the language in science is who controls the agenda set forth. In the case of vaccines, it's the agenda of the government. Which I'm not denying it has some good intentions behind some vaccines...but look at this Gardisil vaccine. There isn't much evidence about this and they're giving it to young women for HPV, which is one of the most common things women and men get. It can cause, in few cases, cervical cancer. But if you get routine check ups, the cancer isn't an issue. So why do we need a vaccine when the cervical cancer death rate is so VERY low?

That can be summed up in one word. Profit.

I've had them like most people.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Wow... the fact is the evidence isn't in. The jury is still out on a lot of things regarding vaccines. If you can't admit that, you're worse off than I thought living up there in David Koresh land. LOL.

Sure there are things we don't know with regards to the long-term effects, mostly because many vaccines simply havent been around long enough to get the kind of data needed. What we DO know is that they work as intended, and for now we have no scientific evidence to suggest any of the paranoia about them is true. Many forms of vaccinations were shown to have side effects in the past and were either altered or removed from circulation, it's not like there is no precedent here. The vaccines we have have withstood more testing thatn your mind could possibly comprehend.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

There are many federal and privately funded research projects that have come to the same conclusions. Do you have any idea the level of detail one must go into to actually have have their published research taken seriously and how difficult it is for ONE study to present false data and have it pass the smell test, let alone EVERY study on a particular issue? They couldnt do it if they tried. You seriously need to take off your tin foil hat. What you're suggesting isnt only illogical, it isnt even feasible in the world we live in. This isnt like suggesting the government lied about the JFK assasination or something.

Tell us something besides what you learned in Aggie land. I want to hear the hard facts about this from you. I've yet to see anything scientific other than you saying there are studies federally and privately funded. LOL. I can post studies and we'll find nothing but confusion caused by the conflicts of the studies.


But really, tell us something you're actually learning in Koreshland... I'm not getting anything scientific from you. What's the mechanism? How is it caused? Please do explain why there are statistical relations, but yet science can't find a link.

Stop babbling about not enough evidence... make an argument.

 

[The30YardSlant]

But I haven't seen anything convincing from any source that gives me something I should be 100% confident with in any vaccine. Who controls the language in science is who controls the agenda set forth. In the case of vaccines, it's the agenda of the government.

Then nothing I can say or do is going to change your mind, because you've already made it up. You've probably read studies published by mena nd women much smarter than me, and if their words didnt change your thinking I have no reason to waste my breath.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Then nothing I can say or do is going to change your mind, because you've already made it up. You've probably read studies published by mena nd women much smarter than me, and if their words didnt change your thinking I have no reason to waste my breath.

Interpretation: You've got nothing substantive.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Tell us something besides what you learned in Aggie land. I want to hear the hard facts about this from you. I've yet to see anything scientific other than you saying there are studies federally and privately funded. LOL. I can post studies and we'll find nothing but confusion caused by the conflicts of the studies.


But really, tell us something you're actually learning from Koreshland... I'm not getting anything scientific from you. What's the mechanism? How is it caused? Please do explain why there are statistical relations, but yet science can't find a link?

What would you have me do? Post any number of internet articles and published works regarding vaccines? You can find these on your own, and I'm sure you've already read many of them anyway. You're asking me to prove that the government isnt lying to you for profit on this issue, and I cannot do that. Nbody can, I might as well sit here and try and prove the existence of God. I can only try and explain how illogical your position is.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Interpretation: You've got nothing substantive.

Again, you're asking for the impossible. You're asking me to provide evidence that the government isny lying. Even if I could, you'd argue that evidence was made up by the government as well. That's the beauty of conspiricy theories, you can downplay anything by calling it a cover up.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What would you have me do? Post any number of internet articles and published works regarding vaccines? You can find these on your own, and I'm sure you've already read many of them anyway. You're asking me to prove that the government isnt lying to you for profit on this issue, and I cannot do that. Nbody can, I might as well sit here and try and prove the existence of God. I can only try and explain how illogical your position is.

Anyone can "try". But most doctors I know try to prove their cases with medical information. For instance, I've seen doctors on this board talk about medicine when they claim their doctors. You haven't given one iota of medical insight. That's all I'm saying. At least I gave you a source from the FDA itself, which supported my argument.

Again, you've got nothing.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Again, you're asking for the impossible. You're asking me to provide evidence that the government isny lying. Even if I could, you'd argue that evidence was made up by the government as well. That's the beauty of conspiricy theories, you can downplay anything by calling it a cover up.

Give us the breakdown.... in your own words, if you please.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Again, you're asking for the impossible. You're asking me to provide evidence that the government isny lying. Even if I could, you'd argue that evidence was made up by the government as well. That's the beauty of conspiricy theories, you can downplay anything by calling it a cover up.

You wanted the FDA; I gave it to you. So you're now saying they're conspiracy theorists?

 

[VietCowboy]

There was just a study this past summer linking autism with mothers who were taking anti-depressants during pregnancy (that is NOT recommended by the way), but a depressed mother does probably as much havoc to a developing fetus as a non-depressed mother on anti-depressants. Pick your poison I suppose.

As for other environmental factors, the link between autism and vaccines has been debunked time and time again. I've helped conduct research in autism, and at one of the leading places for autism research, and have worked with children and adults with autism. Look it up if you want to: Vanderbilt Kennedy Center's Treatment and Research Institute for Autism Spectrum Disorder (TRIAD).

Feel free to look up TRIAD, the UC Davis MIND institute, and any other leading centers in autism research. Parents bring this up ALL the time, and the majority of the leaders in this field will tell you that to date, there has not been any credible study linking autism and vaccines.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

There was just a study this past summer linking autism with mothers who were taking anti-depressants during pregnancy (that is NOT recommended by the way), but a depressed mother does probably as much havoc to a developing fetus as a non-depressed mother on anti-depressants. Pick your poison I suppose.

As for other environmental factors, the link between autism and vaccines has been debunked time and time again. I've helped conduct research in autism, and at one of the leading places for autism research, and have worked with children and adults with autism. Look it up if you want to: Vanderbilt Kennedy Center's Treatment and Research Institute for Autism Spectrum Disorder (TRIAD).

Feel free to look up TRIAD, the UC Davis MIND institute, and any other leading centers in autism research. Parents bring this up ALL the time, and the majority of the leaders in this field will tell you that to date, there has not been any credible study linking autism and vaccines.

I haven't seen any evidence that it isn't linked in some way. And I haven't seen any studies that aren't funded by potentially biased sources. I have seen people who have worked in pharmaceutical industries and then come back to talk about how they got out of the pharmaceutical industry because of ethical reasons. I just want to see more evidence and more studies not particularly with just the MMR vaccine, because they took out the thermisol which was the likely link, according to theorists anyway. So now that they took it out, of course it may be safer.

I know how it triggers the immune system to make antibodies against a similar disease... but the things they inject with it is what causes me concern.

As for Gardasil and how they are marketing that through government mandates... well, that just makes me sick.