Albert Breer Mock

[InmanRoshi]

Generally I take mocks with a grain of salt and wouldn't bother posting them, but on twitter he said he made this after running it by lots of scouts and execs over the weekend.


Cowboys #14 - Mark Barron.

Other notables...

Fletcher Cox goes #12 to Seattle. Cordy Glenn goes #13 to Cardinals, ahead of DeCastro (Bengals #17). Eagles take Poe at #15. Konz goes #27 to New England.

I was a little surprised to see Chandler Jones go in the first round, I believe Brandt currently lists him as 48 in his Top 100, but otherwise no huge surprises.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/albert-breer/130102

 

[InmanRoshi]

Poe to the Eagles in intriguing. I guess Jim Washburn gets his next generation Haynesworth.

 

[TVMan]

Comparing Poe to Haynesworth is ridiculous.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Comparing Poe to Haynesworth is ridiculous.

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

 

[SDogo]

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

I was going to say, rather good comparison.

 

[AsthmaField]

Please don't let the Giants draft Hightower.

 

[CATCH17]

Cordy Glenn goes #13 to Cardinals, ahead of DeCastro (Bengals #17).

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo took him at 10 to be a RT. They need a RT in a bad way, and they're generally the ones most likely to make surprise picks.

 

[RS12]

I'll embrace Barron if they draft him but I still dont see him over a pass rusher or O Lineman. I just dont, and I am sure Nick Saban knows his talent cold. Guess this is the reaction I have when I look at all the other holes to fill.

 

[TVMan]

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

I get where you are coming from.

It would have been ridiculous if you were going to say he was lazy, which Albert was.

This kid is even more raw than Haynesworth was when he was drafted. He has been labeled as lazy, but his position coach begs to differ.

As much as anything, Poe was limited by Memphis' defensive scheme. His main job was to provide gap control, meaning he was supposed to occupy blockers while linebackers and safeties made tackles.

"Based on what Dontari was asked to do, he did the job," said Mike DuBose, former University of Alabama head coach who was the UofM's defensive line coach the last two seasons before being fired with previous head coach Larry Porter and the rest of Porter's staff after going 2-22. "He knew he could make plays if the scheme of our defense had been different, but he didn't complain about it. He was a team guy."

LINK

 

[AsthmaField]

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

His value has increased to NFL teams because he can play RT as well as G, although he isn't as good a guard as DeCastro.

In Dallas' case, we don't need a RT but instead need interior linemen. So, DeCastro, being the better interior player, would make more sense for us. i.e. we would take DeCastro before Glenn (IMO).

In the case of a team in need of a RT... there is no doubt Glenn would make more sense for them, and since the NFL values Tackles above interior linemen, it comes as no shock that once it was clear Glenn could play RT that his stock would rise above that of DeCastro in the eyes of draft scouts (draftniks).

Still doesn't make Glenn a better guard than DeCastro... particularly for teams who value the ability to get to the second level and be a coach on the field (again, IMO).

 

[RS12]

H
In Dallas' case, we don't need a RT but instead need interior linemen. .

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

 

[AsthmaField]

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

He showed it two years ago... the last time he played RT.

However, I do know where you're coming from and it is reasonable enough. I just happen to be in the camp that he will play well now that he's back at RT.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Still doesn't make Glenn a better guard than DeCastro... particularly for teams who value the ability to get to the second level and be a coach on the field (again, IMO).

I bet in time and with practice he'll be as good of an NFL guard as DeCastro, especially as a left guard. He just didn't spend his entire collegiate career focusing on one position like DeCastro did.

 

[reddyuta]

I am ok with Barron if we can snag Konz somehow by trading back into the first rd.

 

[Sasquatch]

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

Beat me to it. I like the insurance Glenn would provide.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I get where you are coming from.

It would have been ridiculous if you were going to say he was lazy, which Albert was.

This kid is even more raw than Haynesworth was when he was drafted. He has been labeled as lazy, but his position coach begs to differ.

LINK

The thing is when I watch what little tape is out there of him, I don't see a guy who particularly relishes slugging it out at the point of attack. He likes to get clean and get upfield, just like Haynesworth. Watch the Tulsa tape, and he outweighs the guy in front of him by 75 lbs. It's not just about being lazy, it's about playing mean. People want him to be Vince Wilfork, but it's about mindset. Vince Wilfork is a nasty individual who plays on the edge of being dirty (often times crossing that line). He relishes it. If some midget C-USA 275 lbs. guard lines up in front of Wilfork, he's completely mauling him, immasculating him with a bull rush of pure brute strength, placing him on his backside and "accidentally" stepping on his chest on his way. Meanwhile, Poe's playing finesse and trying to rip and swim his way into the backfield against a guy he should just physically manhandle.

 

[TVMan]

The thing is when I watch what little tape is out there of him, I don't see a guy who particularly relishes slugging it out at the point of attack. He likes to get clean and get upfield, just like Haynesworth. Watch the Tulsa tape, and he outweighs the guy in front of him by 75 lbs. People want him to be Vince Wilfork, but it's about mindset. Vince Wilfork is a nasty individual who plays on the edge of being dirty (often times crossing that line). If some midget C-USA 275 lbs. guard lines up ahead of Wilfork, he's completely mauling him, immasculating him with raw brute strength, placing him on his backside and "accidentally" stepping on his chest on his way to the QB. Poe's trying to rip and swim his way into the backfield.

The tape doesn't show what is inside. To me, the tape does show a raw prospect that began playing football his freshman year of high school. He still has a lot to learn, but the upside is huge.

He has not had elite coaching yet. I'd be willing to bet that he'd excel with such coaching.

 

[RS12]

The tape doesn't show what is inside.

Thats the multi million dollar question isnt it?

 

[InmanRoshi]

The tape doesn't show what is inside. To me, the tape does show a raw prospect that began playing football his freshman year of high school. He still has a lot to learn, but the upside is huge.

He has not had elite coaching yet. I'd be willing to bet that he'd excel with such coaching.

I understand he hasn't received great technical teaching (the offensive guards he was going up against in C-USA probably weren't either), but for me a 350 lbs. mountain of a man should just bully a 280 lbs nobody offensive guard from Tulsa at various points in the game (if he enjoys being a bully). At some points simple E=MC2 physics should be on display.