All Four Winners This Weekend Were Outplayed, but got the W

[T-RO]

Commanders had 40 fewer yards than Lions
Bills had 143 fewer yards than Ravens
Eagles had 72 fewer yards than Rams
Chiefs had 124 fewer yards than Texans

Yet all won.

The first three got a huge boost with turnovers:
Commanders +5 in Turnovers
Bills +3 in Turnovers
Eagles +2 in Turnovers

The Chiefs, meanwhile had the refs to assist them... over and over again.

 

[gtb1943]

Commanders had 40 fewer yards than Lions
Bills had 143 fewer yards than Ravens
Eagles had 72 fewer yards than Rams
Chiefs had 124 fewer yards than Texans

Yet all won.

The first three got a huge boost with turnovers:
Commanders +5 in Turnovers
Bills +3 in Turnovers
Eagles +2 in Turnovers

The Chiefs, meanwhile had the refs to assist them... over and over again.

Turnover battle winner almost always wins the game

as regards the Chiefs, I watched Brady get preferential treatment but what the Chiefs are getting now....

 

[kskboys]

Commanders had 40 fewer yards than Lions
Bills had 143 fewer yards than Ravens
Eagles had 72 fewer yards than Rams
Chiefs had 124 fewer yards than Texans

Yet all won.

The first three got a huge boost with turnovers:
Commanders +5 in Turnovers
Bills +3 in Turnovers
Eagles +2 in Turnovers

The Chiefs, meanwhile had the refs to assist them... over and over again.

TO's.

Those TO's don't hurt you so bad when you're playing Jax. Can't have them against playoff teams.

 

[kskboys]

Turnover battle winner almost always wins the game

as regards the Chiefs, I watched Brady get preferential treatment but what the Chiefs are getting now....

Yes, because teams are simply much more even in the playoffs. So, TO's are the difference a very high percentage of the time.

 

[slaga]

Commanders had 40 fewer yards than Lions
Bills had 143 fewer yards than Ravens
Eagles had 72 fewer yards than Rams
Chiefs had 124 fewer yards than Texans

Yet all won.

The first three got a huge boost with turnovers:
Commanders +5 in Turnovers
Bills +3 in Turnovers
Eagles +2 in Turnovers

The Chiefs, meanwhile had the refs to assist them... over and over again.

Because yards are what wins football games...

 

[slaga]

Let me expand on my previous post. If the game is remotely close. The team that regularly has the shorter field, i.e. the team with the take aways, can only get so many yards before they score. Just because a team regularly starts closer to their own end zone gets more yards, does not mean they outplayed their opponent. Actually it means quite the opposite.

 

[atlantacowboy]

All this proves is that total yards doesn't matter as much as turnovers .........which anyone who watches football already knows.

Seems many are searching for simple answers that explain why some teams are better than others but it's not that easy or anyone could do it.......... as Jerry has proven over a 30 year span.

 

[gtb1943]

All this proves is that total yards doesn't matter as much as turnovers .........which anyone who watches football already knows.

Seems many are searching for simple answers that explain why some teams are better than others but it's not that easy or anyone could do it.......... as Jerry has proven over a 30 years span.

That is why I have never thought that total yards should be the deciding stat for either offenses or defenses.
Should be point; because that in the end is what really matters

 

[kskboys]

That is why I have never thought that total yards should be the deciding stat for either offenses or defenses.
Should be point; because that in the end is what really matters

Of course, but you can't judge an O by points because they are not all on the O. Yards is simply a more accurate way to judge.

In the playoffs, the teams whose D allows a lot of yards almost always lose.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Of course, but you can't judge an O by points because they are not all on the O. Yards is simply a more accurate way to judge.

In the playoffs, the teams whose D allows a lot of yards almost always lose.

You do know we had more yards than GB in last years playoff game right? Total yards means nothing bc it doesn't break down when those yards occur.

 

[gtb1943]

Garbage yards on offense and defense is why total yards should not be used.

actually, I would like a formula using points, yards, maybe third down conversions, etc to actually show what a D can do. And also separate out ST scores. Only show TDs and FGs scored. Anyway, just using total yards to me is flawed.

 

[RonWashington]

That is why I have never thought that total yards should be the deciding stat for either offenses or defenses.
Should be point; because that in the end is what really matters

Dallas ranked 31 in points allowed next to the bottom only Carolina worst . 7-10

On offense ranked 21st in scoring 20.6 points per game .

 

[kskboys]

You do know we had more yards than GB in last years playoff game right? Total yards means nothing bc it doesn't break down when those yards occur.

Of course. However, we're talking about rating Os and Ds. Yardage over the course of a season is more accurate.

Most teams who have a D who give up tons of yardage but not all that many points come up against a better O in the playoff and those yards turn into points.

 

[kskboys]

Garbage yards on offense and defense is why total yards should not be used.

actually, I would like a formula using points, yards, maybe third down conversions, etc to actually show what a D can do. And also separate out ST scores. Only show TDs and FGs scored. Anyway, just using total yards to me is flawed.

Just as using any one stat is flawed.

 

[ApolytonGP]

I don't see how you can have watched the Lions game in real time and felt that they outplayed the Commies. Were down for almost the entire game, much of it significantly. I don't any Commies fans felt like they were being outplayed or Lions fans felt they were doing some outplaying. And I say this being honest that there were several close games during the season that the Red Football Team stole--so I know how it feels to be outplayed but still commit theft.

Also, a lot of those Lions yards (I think 170, too lazy to research it) came when the Commies were up 2-3 scores and playing prevent defense in last half of the 4th Q. Basically bend, but don't break philosophy and let them have the middle of the field (to burn time).

Probably a more realistic turnover margin is +3. Since the very last interception by Chin was desperation time (and didn't affect the final score). And then the Commies gave up one possession on downs and the Lions gave up none. But yes, +3 is still very helpful to winning.

Anyhow the interceptions weren't total fluke tip drill things either. Just bad decisions or touch from the Lions passers. Along with the DBs making the catches.

Similarly with the fumble. I mean, sure the ball bounced our way. And agreed ~50% of fumbles go to each team and most people think it's luck...so look at total fumbles, not recovered/lost. But still Lions dorked up the execution of a play and Commies were penetrating the line. Felt like a play where you need to give some credit to one team over the other.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Of course. However, we're talking about rating Os and Ds. Yardage over the course of a season is more accurate.

Most teams who have a D who give up tons of yardage but not all that many points come up against a better O in the playoff and those yards turn into points.

Sure over the course of the season but that's not the point t-ro is trying to make. He looking at total yards in the playoff games last weekend. Dak is the post child for why total yards can be a misleading stat.

 

[gtb1943]

Just as using any one stat is flawed.

just that using yards only is MORE flawed

 

[gtb1943]

I don't see how you can have watched the Lions game in real time and felt that they outplayed the Commies. Were down for almost the entire game, much of it significantly. I don't any Commies fans felt like they were being outplayed or Lions fans felt they were doing some outplaying. And I say this being honest that there were several close games during the season that the Red Football Team stole--so I know how it feels to be outplayed but still commit theft.

Also, a lot of those Lions yards (I think 170, too lazy to research it) came when the Commies were up 2-3 scores and playing prevent defense in last half of the 4th Q. Basically bend, but don't break philosophy and let them have the middle of the field (to burn time).

Probably a more realistic turnover margin is +3. Since the very last interception by Chin was desperation time (and didn't affect the final score). And then the Commies gave up one possession on downs and the Lions gave up none. But yes, +3 is still very helpful to winning.

Anyhow the interceptions weren't total fluke tip drill things either. Just bad decisions or touch from the Lions passers. Along with the DBs making the catches.

Similarly with the fumble. I mean, sure the ball bounced our way. And agreed ~50% of fumbles go to each team and most people think it's luck...so look at total fumbles, not recovered/lost. But still Lions dorked up the execution of a play and Commies were penetrating the line. Felt like a play where you need to give some credit to one team over the other.

to me fumbles are like tipped passes; you cannot know where they are going to go. So recovering them is pretty much luck.

 

[T-RO]

I watched Brady get preferential treatment but what the Chiefs are getting now....

Yes, it's to the point for me now unless one of my favorite teams is playing them...I just don't watch Chiefs games. Screw the league, the refs and the Chiefs for making fair competition a thing.

 

[T-RO]

I don't see how you can have watched the Lions game in real time and felt that they outplayed the Commies. Were down for almost the entire game, much of it significantly.

The Commanders offense played well, but c'mon.

The Lions never punted even once. But they stopped themselves 5 times with turnovers....and that pick six. OUCH.