Always follow the money - I guess Wade/Red really are staying

[MaineBoy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...=cr-coachinghotseat122508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Sadly, this argument makes a pretty conclusive point:


Wade Phillips, Dallas Cowboys
Jerry Jones has backed Phillips rather forcefully down the stretch, and there is good reason: He has painted himself into a financial corner. Phillips has one year left on his deal, and would cost $3 million to fire, but offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and his near $3 million a year contract (through 2010) would have to go, too. No upper-tier head coach would agree to come aboard with Garrett still in place after Jones laid the groundwork for him as the team’s future head coach. It’s a wolf in the hen house, plain and simple. Even for the mighty Jones, this oncoming economic depression makes it tougher to swallow $9 million and pay another elite coach on top of that. And even if Dallas misses the playoffs, there is some credence to what Jones says about Phillips – he does still believe Phillips can get the job done.

 

[burmafrd]

wrong. If jerruh thought it would help he would personally set fire to $9 million and watch it burn or toast marshmallows with it. Its NOT about the money.

 

[tunahelper]

I am glad Wade is returning. He has issues and I at times feel he is to loose with accountability, but a change would in my opinion hurt more than help.

The players need the same system in place and I think regime change would hurt Romo and the offenses devolpment in training camp.

 

[cowboyjoe]

wrong, there is no discipline on this team, all you have to do is look at the penalites.

wade phillips is not a discipliarian, never will be.

i am a dallas cowboys fan and always wil be, but i will not root for wade phillips next year,

i have never booed a dallas cowboys player or head coach, but i will boo wade phillips every time he steps onto the field as head coach

 

[Yeagermeister]

wrong. If jerruh thought it would help he would personally set fire to $9 million and watch it burn or toast marshmallows with it. Its NOT about the money.

Not when he's pay $600 million out of his own pocket for the new stadium

 

[cowboyjoe]

need i remind you, this is what wade said
1. i dont trust felix jones on kickoffs, but what did felix do on kickoffs
2. i dont like to play rookies or first year players
3. i dont trust choice as a rb, but what did choice do
4. we still have our special teams coach, whom is awful
5. the most league penalities are committed with the cowboys
6. those 2 big runs at the end of baltimore cowboys game, came from lack of discipline, you cant run blitz all the time

there is a lot more, like camp cupcake, camp marshmellow

add it all up and what do you get, good ole wade whom isnt a head coach, remember now, wade has been to 4 playoffs games and never won

If you cant see that, then i dont know what to tell you.

 

[cowboyjoe]

what it really is, jerry jones wants to be the person in charge, he doesnt want a head coach that is the face of the franchise,

jerry jones wants a puppet as a head coach, so he can call the shots, and the players use that to their advantage by going to jerry jones and complaining,

you cant run a team like that, period

 

[cowboyjoe]

think about it, when was the last time we won a superbowl, 95, with the team that jimmy johnson built, switzer just let the leaders and coordinators coach

jimmy johnson was in charge, and the players knew it, no one went to jerry jones and complained, etc, thats the last time we really had a head coach in total charge in dallas. Think about it.

Who hired T O, sure wasnt bill parcells was jerry jones.

parcells had some control but not total control. Look at what miami is doing now with parcells in control total control and sparano as head coach.

Think about it, till jerry jones sees that, this team is going no where

 

[notherbob]

Not a problem, in Jerry's eyes, everything is as it should be; the Cowboys have lots of glitz, glitter and glamour and are contending for a playoff spot and everyone is talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not Landry or Johnson or Phillips and the Cowboys but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys and his personal glory is being enhanced by his new stadium.

Life is good.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Not a problem, in Jerry's eyes, everything is as it should be; the Cowboys have lots of glitz, glitter and glamour and are contending for a playoff spot and everyone is talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not Landry or Johnson or Phillips and the Cowboys but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys and his personal glory is being enhanced by his new stadium.

Life is good.

Unfortunately you are very close if not right on the money :

 

[Temo]

need i remind you, this is what wade said
1. i dont trust felix jones on kickoffs, but what did felix do on kickoffs
2. i dont like to play rookies or first year players
3. i dont trust choice as a rb, but what did choice do
4. we still have our special teams coach, whom is awful
5. the most league penalities are committed with the cowboys
6. those 2 big runs at the end of baltimore cowboys game, came from lack of discipline, you cant run blitz all the time

there is a lot more, like camp cupcake, camp marshmellow

add it all up and what do you get, good ole wade whom isnt a head coach, remember now, wade has been to 4 playoffs games and never won

If you cant see that, then i dont know what to tell you.

1. He didn't say that. He said he didn't want to risk a Felix injury
2. No coach does.
3. He never said he doesn't trust Choice.
4. What does this have to do with anything Wade says?
5. I don't know that we're first, but regardless we've been committing penalties since before Wade got here.
6. We going to blame this on Wade too? At some point, the players are accountable too.

 

[newlander]

Post of the century: sums it up perfectly really:

Not a problem, in Jerry's eyes, everything is as it should be; the Cowboys have lots of glitz, glitter and glamour and are contending for a playoff spot and everyone is talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not Landry or Johnson or Phillips and the Cowboys but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys and his personal glory is being enhanced by his new stadium.

Life is good.
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'notherBob

AND I'M THINKING HE WILL BE BACK NEXT SEASON. BUT IF THEY GET BLOWN OUT TOMORROW........ALL BETS ARE OFF...........

 

[Bach]

Not a problem, in Jerry's eyes, everything is as it should be; the Cowboys have lots of glitz, glitter and glamour and are contending for a playoff spot and everyone is talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not Landry or Johnson or Phillips and the Cowboys but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys and his personal glory is being enhanced by his new stadium.

Life is good.

Bingo!

He's not going to bring in someone like Cowher at this point because we are a playoff caliber team and he is the face of the franchise.

As long as we "have a chance" with him running the show he'll leave it at that. Most would see that Wade isn't the answer to get us all the way, but with Jerry, he has the spotlight squarely on him and as long as we have an opportunity he isn't going to relinquish any control or risk losing some of the spotlight to a better HC, even though that is what is best for the franchise.

And he also has Garrett all lined, but knows he isn't ready yet. So he isn't going to give up on that masterplan even though nothing suggests Garrett is anywhere close to being next in line.

So whether Wade gets replaced after this season or after next season, Jerry has Garrett positioned to take over. So all we have to look forward to is much of the same, Jerry will continue to be the main face of the franchise making most of the decisions, but instead of a mediocre HC like Wade we will have a totally unproven HC in Garrett. But the puppetshow will go on without missing a beat.

 

[chinch]

Unfortunately $$$ and EGO are on the line here and the perfect storm of new stadium debt and terrible economy means Jerry keeps the circus intact next year. Keeping Wade a lame duck (which is a perfect fit) and Jason next year means only wasting $3m in 2010 when Red is dumped by the next coach.

sad.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...=cr-coachinghotseat122508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Sadly, this argument makes a pretty conclusive point:


Wade Phillips, Dallas Cowboys
Jerry Jones has backed Phillips rather forcefully down the stretch, and there is good reason: He has painted himself into a financial corner. Phillips has one year left on his deal, and would cost $3 million to fire, but offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and his near $3 million a year contract (through 2010) would have to go, too. No upper-tier head coach would agree to come aboard with Garrett still in place after Jones laid the groundwork for him as the team’s future head coach. It’s a wolf in the hen house, plain and simple. Even for the mighty Jones, this oncoming economic depression makes it tougher to swallow $9 million and pay another elite coach on top of that. And even if Dallas misses the playoffs, there is some credence to what Jones says about Phillips – he does still believe Phillips can get the job done.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not when he's pay $600 million out of his own pocket for the new stadium

So what? Hes getting a multibillion asset for nickels on the dollar. The stadium deal gives him more financial flexibility, not less.

 

[Clove]

He gets along with Wade, that's huge for Jerry. But he does have a Stadium to fill and if the fans were completely against it, I could see Jerry making a change.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not a problem, in Jerry's eyes, everything is as it should be; the Cowboys have lots of glitz, glitter and glamour and are contending for a playoff spot and everyone is talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not Landry or Johnson or Phillips and the Cowboys but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys and his personal glory is being enhanced by his new stadium.

Life is good.

I stopped buying the whole 'Jerry is an egomaniac in it for his own glory' schtick back when he hired Parcells. Jones wants to win another Superbowl before he hangs them up before anything else.

If he thinks that a particular coach thats out there will bring that then there is no question that he will bring them in. And no Jerry is not happy going into the last week of the season with his playoff aspirations in question. That is just absurd.

 

[notherbob]

I stopped buying the whole 'Jerry is an egomaniac in it for his own glory' schtick back when he hired Parcells. Jones wants to win another Superbowl before he hangs them up before anything else.

If he thinks that a particular coach thats out there will bring that then there is no question that he will bring them in. And no Jerry is not happy going into the last week of the season with his playoff aspirations in question. That is just absurd.

Actually, Fuzzy, my post was sarcasm and I forgot to add the rolleyes to stamp it as such and I agree that Jerry is probably unhappy right now with the results he's getting but I also think his ways of doing things adds to the problems this group of players and coaches is having.

Fortunately, the Cowboys are Jerry's problem, not mine.

 

[Bach]

I stopped buying the whole 'Jerry is an egomaniac in it for his own glory' schtick back when he hired Parcells. Jones wants to win another Superbowl before he hangs them up before anything else.

You seem to be under the false impression that because Jerry relinquished considerable control when he hired Parcells that he's doing all he can from that day forward.

Hate to be the one to inform you, but Wade isn't Parcells. Unlike Parcells, Wade doesn't have control over his staff. Jerry brought Garrett here before Wade was onboard. He also brought back Campo and Houck. Not saying all those hires were bad, but they weren't decisions made by the HC, and those decisions should be made by the HC.

Jerry does want to win, but he's also an egomaniac and he has trouble balancing those two things. It basically comes down to trying to win "his" way.

Jimmy and Parcells tenures were the only two times Jerry didn't do it all "his" way. Even though we won back to back SB's with Jimmy, it wasn't good enough for Jerry because he got slighted. His ego came before the team and we paid for it for much of the next decade. When things finally got so bad he finally caved in and hired Bill to right the ship. The ship did get righted but we didn't go as far as we'd all hoped. But instead of staying on that course Jerry took it as a sign to take full control again.

So you may mistakenly be under the impression Jerry got rid of his ego the day he hired Bill. But your mistake is that he got it all back when Bill left Valley Ranch.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You seem to be under the false impression that because Jerry relinquished considerable control when he hired Parcells that he's doing all he can from that day forward.

Hate to be the one to inform you, but Wade isn't Parcells. Unlike Parcells, Wade doesn't have control over his staff. Jerry brought Garrett here before Wade was onboard. He also brought back Campo and Houck. Not saying all those hires were bad, but they weren't decisions made by the HC, and those decisions should be made by the HC.

Jerry does want to win, but he's also an egomaniac and he has trouble balancing those two things. It basically comes down to trying to win "his" way.

Jimmy and Parcells tenures were the only two times Jerry didn't do it all "his" way. Even though we won back to back SB's with Jimmy, it wasn't good enough for Jerry because he got slighted. His ego came before the team and we paid for it for much of the next decade. When things finally got so bad he finally caved in and hired Bill to right the ship. The ship did get righted but we didn't go as far as we'd all hoped. But instead of staying on that course Jerry took it as a sign to take full control again.

So you may mistakenly be under the impression Jerry got rid of his ego the day he hired Bill. But your mistake is that he got it all back when Bill left Valley Ranch.

Listening to you about Jones is like listening to a Hutu talking about Tutsis.

I see your Jason Garrett and raise you a Mike Zimmer.