Amari Cooper vs Marquise Brown

[CouchCoach]

For comparison purposes, let's assume they can't make the Cooper trade and end up going for a WR with their 1st pick.

Since Brown was pretty much the highest regarded WR and taken 1st by BAL at 25, let's further assume he was the Cowboys choice but we don't know what WR they had at the top of the WR board.

Since it is likely that the Cowboys would have been drafting much higher since they were 3-5 at the break, it is also a safe assumption since this was not regarded as a WR deep draft, they would have traded down and might have taken Harry from AZ State(NE) or Samuel from So. Carolina(SF) if Brown was gone, we can use them as well. It is unusual for a WR to last until the 25th pick and that speaks to the WR quality in this draft as well.

At the time, I was all in on the trade for Cooper and still am but in order to adequately compare that to what player the Cowboys might have taken, I am going to track these three WR's. I thought Cooper was better than any they could have picked in this draft and will continue to think so until proven wrong.

So, if you want to judge the value of this trade/pick, those are the three you should track through this season.

 

[jazzcat22]

They may have stayed put and still taken a top DT. No matter if they had the 25th pick or a top 15 pick. Then get a WR later. As they still had Gallup to be better in his 2nd year.

 

[CouchCoach]

They may have stayed put and still taken a top DT. No matter if they had the 25th pick or a top 15 pick. Then get a WR later. As they still had Gallup to be better in his 2nd year.

May have but with the apparent lack of production at the WR position, I do not see any way Booger goes DT over WR, not in his DNA.

And this was presented as they would have used that 1st on a WR and felt he was better than any in the draft so in essence, it was the draft pick.

jazzy, whatruttryintodo? Deny posters the pleasure on ragging on Cooper when one of those guys has a better game? Compare the TD's Ellis didn't score to Moss?

 

[jazzcat22]

May have but with the apparent lack of production at the WR position, I do not see any way Booger goes DT over WR, not in his DNA.

And this was presented as they would have used that 1st on a WR and felt he was better than any in the draft so in essence, it was the draft pick.

jazzy, whatruttryintodo? Deny posters the pleasure on ragging on Cooper when one of those guys has a better game? Compare the TD's Ellis didn't score to Moss?

Does it matter about any player or anything at all?
As posters, or seems most of them rag on anything and everything. It does not matter if it is warranted or correct or wrong, they just rag.

 

[408Cowboy]

For comparison purposes, let's assume they can't make the Cooper trade and end up going for a WR with their 1st pick.

Since Brown was pretty much the highest regarded WR and taken 1st by BAL at 25, let's further assume he was the Cowboys choice but we don't know what WR they had at the top of the WR board.

Since it is likely that the Cowboys would have been drafting much higher since they were 3-5 at the break, it is also a safe assumption since this was not regarded as a WR deep draft, they would have traded down and might have taken Harry from AZ State(NE) or Samuel from So. Carolina(SF) if Brown was gone, we can use them as well. It is unusual for a WR to last until the 25th pick and that speaks to the WR quality in this draft as well.

At the time, I was all in on the trade for Cooper and still am but in order to adequately compare that to what player the Cowboys might have taken, I am going to track these three WR's. I thought Cooper was better than any they could have picked in this draft and will continue to think so until proven wrong.

So, if you want to judge the value of this trade/pick, those are the three you should track through this season.

I need stats with the longest reception removed or I can't compare.

 

[big dog cowboy]

For comparison purposes, let's assume

let's further assume

it is also a safe assumption

I think I agree?

 

[CouchCoach]

I think I agree?

I assume so.

 

[erod]

OU fan here.

Hollywood will be a good slot guy, and he's fast as a rabbit.

But he's not in Cooper's class of size and route-running ability. Not close.

 

[Bobhaze]

One of the fundamental questions I keep pondering about how the Cowboys FO thinks about roster building- do they still believe in the “Triplets” model as the key to winning a championship? Because it does not seem to be one that has worked very often in the last 20 some odd years.

And by the triplets model, I mean QB, RB and WR, with all three being the same people for many years.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

The failure rate of first round WRs is very high recently (see link)... Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell, Corey Coleman, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, John Ross, DeVante Parker, just to name a few. It is a tough position to scout. So a late round first for a 24-year old proven pro bowl WR was a STEAL. No way Marquis Brown, Kneal Harry, and Deebo Samuel match that production this year and probably never given the trend.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...the-recent-bust-rate-for-first-round-wrs/amp/

 

[AsthmaField]

May have but with the apparent lack of production at the WR position, I do not see any way Booger goes DT over WR, not in his DNA.

Assuming that by “Booger” you mean Jerry (why, I have no idea)... he no longer runs the draft making bad decisions along the way. McClay, Stephen and Garrett all have Jerry under control these days in the draft room.

If DT Oliver would have been in range of their first pick, he would have been the choice over any WR, in all likelihood. The team has shown for almost a decade now that they make decisions in the draft based on their grades and not on any Jerry whim or any desire for flashy positions.

Thinking that Jerry runs the draft and picks based on flash and bad decision making is outdated by almost a decade.

 

[CouchCoach]

Assuming that by “Booger” you mean Jerry (why, I have no idea)... he no longer runs the draft making bad decisions along the way. McClay, Stephen and Garrett all have Jerry under control these days in the draft room.

If DT Oliver would have been in range of their first pick, he would have been the choice over any WR, in all likelihood. The team has shown for almost a decade now that they make decisions in the draft based on their grades and not on any Jerry whim or any desire for flashy positions.

Thinking that Jerry runs the draft and picks based on flash and bad decision making is outdated by almost a decade.

Billionaire caught picking his nose on his own Boogertron to open his palace, nationally televised as well and loses the game to christen the Big Top, what else would I call him? And you guessed who he was right off the bat.

I do not think he picks on flash and bad decision and if you are interested, there is a video showing the war room before the 3rd round pick of McGovern. Hate to burst your bubble but Booger is completely in charge and once he speaks, conversation is over. McClay builds the board but does not participate in the draft.

What he changed were the voices in his ears. He stop listening to people like Larry Lacewell and those in his inner circle and got some new voices and started trying to build a team. I think it is unfair to give others credit when it was him making the necessary changes and learning from his mistakes to get better at his job.

BTW, **, some don't like the Booger nickname and have argued with me and called it childish and juvenile, which I agree, it is both but that's been his nickname since that night and I am not changing it, I think he's used to it.

 

[CouchCoach]

The failure rate of first round WRs is very high recently (see link)... Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell, Corey Coleman, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, John Ross, DeVante Parker, just to name a few. It is a tough position to scout. So a late round first for a 24-year old proven pro bowl WR was a STEAL. No way Marquis Brown, Kneal Harry, and Deebo Samuel match that production this year and probably never given the trend.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...the-recent-bust-rate-for-first-round-wrs/amp/

Agree, second only to QB in fail rate but I think it's a good idea to get out in front of this because the first drop he has or bad game and you know it's coming. "Why in the world did we trade that pick for him when we could have had X"? I am just giving my opinion of X because no doubt in my mind they go WR unless they could have picked one up in FA or traded for one. And now, I do not recall the FA WR's out there except Cobb.

 

[Bobhaze]

Billionaire caught picking his nose on his own Boogertron to open his palace, nationally televised as well and loses the game to christen the Big Top, what else would I call him? And you guessed who he was right off the bat.

I do not think he picks on flash and bad decision and if you are interested, there is a video showing the war room before the 3rd round pick of McGovern. Hate to burst your bubble but Booger is completely in charge and once he speaks, conversation is over. McClay builds the board but does not participate in the draft.

What he changed were the voices in his ears. He stop listening to people like Larry Lacewell and those in his inner circle and got some new voices and started trying to build a team. I think it is unfair to give others credit when it was him making the necessary changes and learning from his mistakes to get better at his job.

BTW, **, some don't like the Booger nickname and have argued with me and called it childish and juvenile, which I agree, it is both but that's been his nickname since that night and I am not changing it, I think he's used to it.

I’m still amused by those believing (hoping?) that Jerry is just a figurehead nowadays. Yes, he has better football minds surrounding him, but Jerry still calls all the balls and strikes when it counts.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m still amused by those believing (hoping?) that Jerry is just a figurehead nowadays. Yes, he has better football minds surrounding him, but Jerry still calls all the balls and strikes when it counts.

It is wishful thinking and I don't know why, I don't see any great shakes when Son takes over. Another Mark Davis or Michael Brown or Bidwell coming up.

Booger lives for the risks and he can't do that out of control. He said sometime back that his best wells were the ones he had the most at risk and I know some wildcatters and they're like addicted gamblers, it's not just about winning, it's just as much about playing and the more risk, the happier they are.

There are probably people, his family, ready to move on from Gregory and his backsliding but Booger is not giving up. No way he's calling dry hole on this risk yet.

 

[cern]

I’m still amused by those believing (hoping?) that Jerry is just a figurehead nowadays. Yes, he has better football minds surrounding him, but Jerry still calls all the balls and strikes when it counts.

Events of the last several years would show this to be incorrect. Dez release. Dak over tony. Clearly not jerry decisions. In fact both went contrary to Jerry statements concerning both. There is no other way to interpret these decisions other than to conclude they were made by Stephen.

 

[cern]

It is wishful thinking and I don't know why, I don't see any great shakes when Son takes over. Another Mark Davis or Michael Brown or Bidwell coming up.

Booger lives for the risks and he can't do that out of control. He said sometime back that his best wells were the ones he had the most at risk and I know some wildcatters and they're like addicted gamblers, it's not just about winning, it's just as much about playing and the more risk, the happier they are.

There are probably people, his family, ready to move on from Gregory and his backsliding but Booger is not giving up. No way he's calling dry hole on this risk yet.

I'm already seeing major changes with Stephen at the helm. No more flash. Just good, sound football decisions. Depth on d-line and o-line. Depth at wr and rb. Depth at d-backs. No more wasted money In free agency. What is it you see that makes you conclude that it's been business as usual.

 

[Bobhaze]

It is wishful thinking and I don't know why, I don't see any great shakes when Son takes over. Another Mark Davis or Michael Brown or Bidwell coming up.

Booger lives for the risks and he can't do that out of control. He said sometime back that his best wells were the ones he had the most at risk and I know some wildcatters and they're like addicted gamblers, it's not just about winning, it's just as much about playing and the more risk, the happier they are.

There are probably people, his family, ready to move on from Gregory and his backsliding but Booger is not giving up. No way he's calling dry hole on this risk yet.

Yes. As recently as a year ago I had started believing Stephen was starting to gain more foothold. He may have a slightly louder voice, but the final say rests with the guy holding the empty Johnny Walker Blue bottle. Our hope as fans still resides with the guy who would rather lose his way than win a championship some other proven way.

We are certainly better off talent wise than we were 8-10 years ago because Jerry started listening to Will McClay instead of Lazy Larry Lacewell. And we certainly have a chance in today’s Parity dominated NFL to make some noise. But the belief that Jerry is slowing turning things over to Stephen is a pipe dream. If Jerry’s breathing, he’s calling the shots.

 

[Rockport]

Yes. As recently as a year ago I had started believing Stephen was starting to gain more foothold. He may have a slightly louder voice, but the final say rests with the guy holding the empty Johnny Walker Blue bottle. Our hope as fans still resides with the guy who would rather lose his way than win a championship some other proven way.

We are certainly better off talent wise than we were 8-10 years ago because Jerry started listening to Will McClay instead of Lazy Larry Lacewell. And we certainly have a chance in today’s Parity dominated NFL to make some noise. But the belief that Jerry is slowing turning things over to Stephen is a pipe dream. If Jerry’s breathing, he’s calling the shots.

He has the final say but rubber stamps 99.9% of what Stephen says.

 

[cern]

Yes. As recently as a year ago I had started believing Stephen was starting to gain more foothold. He may have a slightly louder voice, but the final say rests with the guy holding the empty Johnny Walker Blue bottle. Our hope as fans still resides with the guy who would rather lose his way than win a championship some other proven way.

We are certainly better off talent wise than we were 8-10 years ago because Jerry started listening to Will McClay instead of Lazy Larry Lacewell. And we certainly have a chance in today’s Parity dominated NFL to make some noise. But the belief that Jerry is slowing turning things over to Stephen is a pipe dream. If Jerry’s breathing, he’s calling the shots.

Recent events do not bear this out. Do you think it was Jerry that released dez after saying he would be a cowboy in 2018. Or that dak remained the starter even after Jerry said tony would get his job back when he returned from the back injury. And these weren't small decisions. Clearly stephen's.