An aggressive two year plan to be competitive

[gimmesix]

Yes sir, that's why he needs tech work. That's why he was not ready to start.

However, what you're leaving out is that Guyton has the physical ability to be a top 5 OLT.

He does, but I think he may just be better suited for the right side and am not totally pleased with Steele's play there. I'd like to see Richards given a chance to win left tackle. But ultimately I want the top five playing.

I also disagree with you on Smith. He also has the physical ability to be a top LT. He was an LT in college and just because he's been a great guard in the NFL doesn't mean he can't be a great LT.

I think if we switched Guyton back to his natural side, we could give Richards first shot at winning LT. If he fails, we could kick Tyler out to LT or move Guyton back. I just think Richards has looked better than Guyton at LT and should be given a crack at it.

 

[McCarthyMustGo]

The Cowboys went 7-10 in the clusterfest of what was last season. Just one good off season and they can be competitive again.

It's all up to the Jones clan. Which path are they going to take? Another 2024 approach to FA would likely give the Cowboys a top 4-5 pick.

And I'm not drafting a RB at 12 either. I'd prefer a trade down and stock up on day 2 picks.

Season seemed much worse than 7-10. Stop the run 1st no matter what you do.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I truly don't think so. I think it's the next 3 years of mediocrity, w/ the upside being losing a lot more than average to get some talented players in here for the next round.

Never worked for Garret. Until we can upgrade the QB position with a player with a higher ceiling, not much is going to change. We don't have Howie Roseman in the front office wheeling and dealing.

 

[SuperBowlz]

As much as I love Gibbs and believe he was more than worth his draft pick, Carter should've been the pick.

Hold it......................................................Carter went 9th, Gibbs was 12th. I think you got some misinformation there.

Detroit traded back

 

[McKDaddy]

Any plan to get this team truly competitive would involve eliminating or modifying the behavior of an old billionare & a nepo successor.

So, unless you plan on something illegal or out of a sci-fi novel, expect the same ebb & flow we've seen for the last 30 years.

 

[kskboys]

He does, but I think he may just be better suited for the right side and am not totally pleased with Steele's play there. I'd like to see Richards given a chance to win left tackle. But ultimately I want the top five playing.

I also disagree with you on Smith. He also has the physical ability to be a top LT. He was an LT in college and just because he's been a great guard in the NFL doesn't mean he can't be a great LT.

I think if we switched Guyton back to his natural side, we could give Richards first shot at winning LT. If he fails, we could kick Tyler out to LT or move Guyton back. I just think Richards has looked better than Guyton at LT and should be given a crack at it.

No, he does not. This is a fan thing, led on by Jerry Jones and co. announcing it. He was never going to be an OLT. In all likelihood, he'd be a penalty machine at OLT as he simply doesn't possess the skillset to stay in front of edge rushers. Moving him would be a huge error, as he'd be average at best at OLT.

Man, you gotta stop repeating that last paragraph nonsense. He only played ORT because they had a left handed QB, so he was protecting the blindside of the QB. He needs technique work to switch to the left side, absolutely, but Guyton is the OL on the team who has the most skill of an OL here. He is clearly a blindside protector. Don't let his rook season fool you, as he shouldn't even have been starting yet. He needed a year for acclimation. Look for him to break out in 25.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The roster Brian Schottenheimer has inherited as of this moment is not going to strike fear in any opponents eyes. There are obviously a few talented players here but if we plan on getting to at least that elusive conference championship, here‘s a mini-vision to get that done. Holes are abundant but they can be addressed fairly quickly. I think it will realistically take two years to develop.

Heres the big picture plan and it starts in the trenches where all great teams are built. Quite simply, the Cowboys need to get waaaaaay more physical. The two teams playing the SB this year (and most years) have a dominant DT (chiefs have Chris Jones, egirls have Jalen Carter) Time for us to recognize this and take action.

• Here’s a truth long forgotten in Dallas: The fastest way to build a great roster is to start with the trenches. A dominant OL/DL is a foundation! Focus on developing a monster of an OL and DL. We need at least 2 new starting OL and at least 2 beast DL run stoppers/pocket collapsers. This year’s draft is deep in DTs who could immediately have an impact.
• Don’t take the bait in drafting a RB at 12. Don’t do it. This is a deep draft for RBs and we can get a really good one on Day 2. Drafting a RB in round one is a waste because unless you find a generational talent, they will be washed in 5-6 years. Hello Zeke.
• Add at least two upgrades a year with FAs. I don’t care what a talking Jones guy tells us that we are a “draft and develop” team only, without at least 2-3 mid-level FAs a year added to your roster, you cannot be a serious contender. The next two years we should look at adding help at LB, WR, and perhaps OL if the draft doesn’t give us immediate impact.
• Since we are stuck with Dak for at least 3 years, build a monster OL and running game. The top 6 rushing teams in this league all made the playoffs in 2024 and it‘s a trend. A strong running game is exactly what Dak needs. A great running game opens play action back up, something we haven’t been able to use effectively in a while.
• Consider two key June 1 cuts that can save future cap space. Many won’t like this but I would release Trevon Diggs as a June 1 cut and Terance Steele in 2026 as a June 1 cut. Diggs IMO will never be the same with his knee and he costs way too much to be just above average. Deron Bland is better anyway. Steele is already in decline and we could possibly move Tyler Guyton to RT at some point which is a more comfortable position for his skills. Tough decisions have to made and this FO isn’t ruthless enough with its roster.

Amazingly, the fundamentals of football still matter, especially if you don’t have an elite QB, which very few teams do. (Jalen Hurts is nothing special but he’s surrounded by a great OL and running game) The teams that can block and tackle the best are always going to be competitive. So let’s build a big, physical monster of a team the next two years!

Hi Bob, my dear friend.

what you list above is very realistic. I am 100% in agreement and been advocating for a while to build inside out.

the challenge is our GM, his foot is not cemented in reality. he doesn't care about winning football and long term success or building a team that can truly be competitive. that's secondary. he wants a team that's kind of, psuedo competitive so that they can dominate the news and thus he can put his marketing machine behind it. for whatever reason, the game for him is to make the team more profit and more valuable. that's his goal. thus every move we make is to that end.

I am not a big fan of Jeanty in the first. not at all, but unfortunately that maybe the pick because "can you imagine how many jerseys he would sell". I would rather draft a DT in the first, WR in the second and RB in the 3rd, specially in this deep RB draft. the idiot GM traded the 4th roudn pick, and still have a need at WR.... can you imagine drafting a complementary rotational DT or DE or LB?

he will dip into FA< but most probably to resign Osa and couple of our FA and a token non-cowboy FA. you have to realize, we are not big spenders in FA unless it makes sense marketing wise and we can justify ROI. we were 28th in FA spending. we were 29th in dead cap (holding on to players until contracts run out). and we were 16th in cash spend, mostly because of CD and Dak contracts, else we were 29th. this team doesn't spend to get better. this team spends so they can stay relevant enough. spending more and winning championships doesn't necessarily add up to more ROI. relatively speaking.

again, love the plan. but I don't see it happening. not with the Jones clowns at the helm.

 

[kskboys]

Detroit traded back

Ah, gotcha. Just looked, they were indeed picking 6th!!!!! Then I withdraw the misinformation claim, you are correct.

And I agree, you just don't pass on a talent such as Carter. As good as Gibbs is, Carter is that rare stud at DT that is so incredibly hard to find.

Excellent stuff.

 

[kskboys]

Hi Bob, my dear friend.

what you list above is very realistic. I am 100% in agreement and been advocating for a while to build inside out.

the challenge is our GM, his foot is not cemented in reality. he doesn't care about winning football and long term success or building a team that can truly be competitive. that's secondary. he wants a team that's kind of, psuedo competitive so that they can dominate the news and thus he can put his marketing machine behind it. for whatever reason, the game for him is to make the team more profit and more valuable. that's his goal. thus every move we make is to that end.

I am not a big fan of Jeanty in the first. not at all, but unfortunately that maybe the pick because "can you imagine how many jerseys he would sell". I would rather draft a DT in the first, WR in the second and RB in the 3rd, specially in this deep RB draft. the idiot GM traded the 4th roudn pick, and still have a need at WR.... can you imagine drafting a complementary rotational DT or DE or LB?

he will dip into FA< but most probably to resign Osa and couple of our FA and a token non-cowboy FA. you have to realize, we are not big spenders in FA unless it makes sense marketing wise and we can justify ROI. we were 28th in FA spending. we were 29th in dead cap (holding on to players until contracts run out). and we were 16th in cash spend, mostly because of CD and Dak contracts, else we were 29th. this team doesn't spend to get better. this team spends so they can stay relevant enough. spending more and winning championships doesn't necessarily add up to more ROI. relatively speaking.

again, love the plan. but I don't see it happening. not with the Jones clowns at the helm.

Pseudo competitive!! I love it. I want to inform you that I am going to steal that term, as it fits exactly what Jerry Jones is doing.

I'm fine w/ Jeanty in the 1st, as we desperately need a topnotch RB. He runs w/ both power and speed, reminiscent of Josh Jacobs.

And no, the Jones's have proven over the last 30 years that they are inept in building a super bowl roster.

 

[stinkface]

The roster Brian Schottenheimer has inherited as of this moment is not going to strike fear in any opponents eyes. There are obviously a few talented players here but if we plan on getting to at least that elusive conference championship, here‘s a mini-vision to get that done. Holes are abundant but they can be addressed fairly quickly. I think it will realistically take two years to develop.

Heres the big picture plan and it starts in the trenches where all great teams are built. Quite simply, the Cowboys need to get waaaaaay more physical. The two teams playing the SB this year (and most years) have a dominant DT (chiefs have Chris Jones, egirls have Jalen Carter) Time for us to recognize this and take action.

• Here’s a truth long forgotten in Dallas: The fastest way to build a great roster is to start with the trenches. A dominant OL/DL is a foundation! Focus on developing a monster of an OL and DL. We need at least 2 new starting OL and at least 2 beast DL run stoppers/pocket collapsers. This year’s draft is deep in DTs who could immediately have an impact.
• Don’t take the bait in drafting a RB at 12. Don’t do it. This is a deep draft for RBs and we can get a really good one on Day 2. Drafting a RB in round one is a waste because unless you find a generational talent, they will be washed in 5-6 years. Hello Zeke.
• Add at least two upgrades a year with FAs. I don’t care what a talking Jones guy tells us that we are a “draft and develop” team only, without at least 2-3 mid-level FAs a year added to your roster, you cannot be a serious contender. The next two years we should look at adding help at LB, WR, and perhaps OL if the draft doesn’t give us immediate impact.
• Since we are stuck with Dak for at least 3 years, build a monster OL and running game. The top 6 rushing teams in this league all made the playoffs in 2024 and it‘s a trend. A strong running game is exactly what Dak needs. A great running game opens play action back up, something we haven’t been able to use effectively in a while.
• Consider two key June 1 cuts that can save future cap space. Many won’t like this but I would release Trevon Diggs as a June 1 cut and Terance Steele in 2026 as a June 1 cut. Diggs IMO will never be the same with his knee and he costs way too much to be just above average. Deron Bland is better anyway. Steele is already in decline and we could possibly move Tyler Guyton to RT at some point which is a more comfortable position for his skills. Tough decisions have to made and this FO isn’t ruthless enough with its roster.

Amazingly, the fundamentals of football still matter, especially if you don’t have an elite QB, which very few teams do. (Jalen Hurts is nothing special but he’s surrounded by a great OL and running game) The teams that can block and tackle the best are always going to be competitive. So let’s build a big, physical monster of a team the next two years!

Agree. Another thing is draft a helluva lot better. Look at the Eagles last 3 drafts and compare them to ours.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Pseudo competitive!! I love it. I want to inform you that I am going to steal that term, as it fits exactly what Jerry Jones is doing.

I'm fine w/ Jeanty in the 1st, as we desperately need a topnotch RB. He runs w/ both power and speed, reminiscent of Josh Jacobs.

And no, the Jones's have proven over the last 30 years that they are inept in building a super bowl roster.

its copy righted. I am going to collect royalties

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I understand your feeling about not taking Jeanty but that dude is a generational talent and would be hard to pass on if he was sitting there at 12. I know that most RBs only last 5-6 years at most but Derrick Henry just played his ninth season and was fantastic so there are exceptions. A compromise would be to trade down to 15 or 16, still get Jeanty because the teams from 13 to 15 already have their RB and move up in the second or third round or get an extra pick in the first few rounds and get your DT or offensive lineman

I don't think Jeanty is generational talent. he doesn't have the size. he doesn't have the speed. and he is nowhere close to lets say Barkley when he came out. he is good. will be good in NFL, and mostly because he has the vision and good footwork. is he a first round talent? yes. but he is not genertional despite his college numbers that were accumulated against lesser opponents. against better teams he struggled a bit. he also has a fumbling problem.
on top of that, there is a lot of wear on those threads already which makes his shelf life a little concerning.

 

[kskboys]

I don't think Jeanty is generational talent. he doesn't have the size. he doesn't have the speed. and he is nowhere close to lets say Barkley when he came out. he is good. will be good in NFL, and mostly because he has the vision and good footwork. is he a first round talent? yes. but he is not genertional despite his college numbers that were accumulated against lesser opponents. against better teams he struggled a bit. he also has a fumbling problem.
on top of that, there is a lot of wear on those threads already which makes his shelf life a little concerning.

The fastest player in college football in 2024 was Demond Claiborne at 22.6 MPH. Jeanty was clocked at 22 MPH. I think you may be wrong about the speed thing.

 

[stinkface]

The fastest player in college football in 2024 was Demond Claiborne at 22.6 MPH. Jeanty was clocked at 22 MPH. I think you may be wrong about the speed thing.

Hope he runs at the combine and does the other drills.

 

[gimmesix]

No, he does not. This is a fan thing, led on by Jerry Jones and co. announcing it. He was never going to be an OLT. In all likelihood, he'd be a penalty machine at OLT as he simply doesn't possess the skillset to stay in front of edge rushers. Moving him would be a huge error, as he'd be average at best at OLT.

Man, you gotta stop repeating that last paragraph nonsense. He only played ORT because they had a left handed QB, so he was protecting the blindside of the QB. He needs technique work to switch to the left side, absolutely, but Guyton is the OL on the team who has the most skill of an OL here. He is clearly a blindside protector. Don't let his rook season fool you, as he shouldn't even have been starting yet. He needed a year for acclimation. Look for him to break out in 25.

We'll have to disagree. I saw the skill in Smith to play left tackle when he did it his rookie year. In fact, he was better at it than Guyton was his rookie year even though he needs to work on the penalties, which were a problem for him in college. His problem, though, is being overaggressive, not a lack of skill.

Again, I'm not saying Guyton wasn't protecting the blindside, just that making the switch to the left side isn't always easy for players who learned to do it on the right. It isn't about whether he was the key protector, it's simply about where he is comfortable. He's comfortable with the footwork and hand placement on the right side. He clearly was not comfortable with it on the left side as a rookie. Maybe that will change, but I'd be happy putting him on the right side to contend with Steele, who has been a bit disappointing since his ACL tear two years ago, and letting Richards and Smith contend for the LT spot. My hope would be that Richards would win that spot so we could keep Tyler at LG.

Some of that, though, is about getting the best five on the field. Guyton has a natural feel for right tackle. Richards is used to playing on the left side. Is a combination of Richards at LT and Guyton at RT better than a combo of Guyton-Steele, I think it might be.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The fastest player in college football in 2024 was Demond Claiborne at 22.6 MPH. Jeanty was clocked at 22 MPH. I think you may be wrong about the speed thing.

maybe....but read a few places that he doesn't have the long speed, but has ability to bounce off defenders....
my concern is he struggled against better competition.

 

[JonesBoys]

The roster Brian Schottenheimer has inherited as of this moment is not going to strike fear in any opponents eyes. There are obviously a few talented players here but if we plan on getting to at least that elusive conference championship, here‘s a mini-vision to get that done. Holes are abundant but they can be addressed fairly quickly. I think it will realistically take two years to develop.

Heres the big picture plan and it starts in the trenches where all great teams are built. Quite simply, the Cowboys need to get waaaaaay more physical. The two teams playing the SB this year (and most years) have a dominant DT (chiefs have Chris Jones, egirls have Jalen Carter) Time for us to recognize this and take action.

• Here’s a truth long forgotten in Dallas: The fastest way to build a great roster is to start with the trenches. A dominant OL/DL is a foundation! Focus on developing a monster of an OL and DL. We need at least 2 new starting OL and at least 2 beast DL run stoppers/pocket collapsers. This year’s draft is deep in DTs who could immediately have an impact.
• Don’t take the bait in drafting a RB at 12. Don’t do it. This is a deep draft for RBs and we can get a really good one on Day 2. Drafting a RB in round one is a waste because unless you find a generational talent, they will be washed in 5-6 years. Hello Zeke.
• Add at least two upgrades a year with FAs. I don’t care what a talking Jones guy tells us that we are a “draft and develop” team only, without at least 2-3 mid-level FAs a year added to your roster, you cannot be a serious contender. The next two years we should look at adding help at LB, WR, and perhaps OL if the draft doesn’t give us immediate impact.
• Since we are stuck with Dak for at least 3 years, build a monster OL and running game. The top 6 rushing teams in this league all made the playoffs in 2024 and it‘s a trend. A strong running game is exactly what Dak needs. A great running game opens play action back up, something we haven’t been able to use effectively in a while.
• Consider two key June 1 cuts that can save future cap space. Many won’t like this but I would release Trevon Diggs as a June 1 cut and Terance Steele in 2026 as a June 1 cut. Diggs IMO will never be the same with his knee and he costs way too much to be just above average. Deron Bland is better anyway. Steele is already in decline and we could possibly move Tyler Guyton to RT at some point which is a more comfortable position for his skills. Tough decisions have to made and this FO isn’t ruthless enough with its roster.

Amazingly, the fundamentals of football still matter, especially if you don’t have an elite QB, which very few teams do. (Jalen Hurts is nothing special but he’s surrounded by a great OL and running game) The teams that can block and tackle the best are always going to be competitive. So let’s build a big, physical monster of a team the next two years!

You don’t think they could get anything for Diggs in a trade? 4th round pick? I agree with moving on from him but I’m wondering if there are a couple of teams that would take a stab at him for a 4th.

 

[Bobhaze]

You don’t think they could get anything for Diggs in a trade? 4th round pick? I agree with moving on from him but I’m wondering if there are a couple of teams that would take a stab at him for a 4th.

Unfortunately Diggs’ stock has to be very low. A CB with two knee surgeries in two years and with that fat contract…I honestly don’t think there would be any takers for those two reasons.

If the cowboys release him, which I think they should because there is an out this year, another team would pick him up. But there is a chance he’s on the downside of his career. The Cowboys won’t release him of course because they never do stuff like that. I could be wrong of course but I believe in cutting your losses early rather than late.

 

[kskboys]

We'll have to disagree. I saw the skill in Smith to play left tackle when he did it his rookie year. In fact, he was better at it than Guyton was his rookie year even though he needs to work on the penalties, which were a problem for him in college. His problem, though, is being overaggressive, not a lack of skill.

Again, I'm not saying Guyton wasn't protecting the blindside, just that making the switch to the left side isn't always easy for players who learned to do it on the right. It isn't about whether he was the key protector, it's simply about where he is comfortable. He's comfortable with the footwork and hand placement on the right side. He clearly was not comfortable with it on the left side as a rookie. Maybe that will change, but I'd be happy putting him on the right side to contend with Steele, who has been a bit disappointing since his ACL tear two years ago, and letting Richards and Smith contend for the LT spot. My hope would be that Richards would win that spot so we could keep Tyler at LG.

Some of that, though, is about getting the best five on the field. Guyton has a natural feel for right tackle. Richards is used to playing on the left side. Is a combination of Richards at LT and Guyton at RT better than a combo of Guyton-Steele, I think it might be.

Guyton has a ton more upside. Smith is a holding penalty waiting to happen at OLT. I know you guys convinced yourself he was OLT material, but he's not. However, he is a top 5 OG. Why do you want to ruin his career by playing him out of position?

Guyton has a natural feel for ORT? Honestly, where did you get that from? I don't think it's true at all.

 

[kskboys]

maybe....but read a few places that he doesn't have the long speed, but has ability to bounce off defenders....
my concern is he struggled against better competition.

Of course, but that also has a lot to do w/ the players on his own team not being able to handle better competition.