Analysis of Henson and Questions About Him...

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...I didn't get to see the first half, so I missed Bledsoe, but I did get to see Romo in the 2nd half and Henson's performance.

Before I mention Henson, I should mention what I saw of Romo.
Romo did a nice job, but the OL play was so bad his unit couln't maintain anything. It seems he is more comfortable this year and he threw a couple of nice balls that moved the team, only to be reversed by penalties.
That being said, I personally don't see Romo as a future starter. The pre-season is absolutely nothing like the real season and I just don't see Romo as anything more than possibly a Jason Garrett-type player. Garrett was more of a "heady" player, (a coach on the field type), while Romo plays with a little more "moxie", (as it's been described). I don't say this to slam Romo because I like him and he's progressed over the past 3 years, but due to his size and arm strength I don't see his upside as anything more than a career backup.

As for Henson, I am a Henson fan, but I am puzzled by him.

As for the positives, he played fairly well and had some nice throws that showed a lot of zip, (one in fact to the sidelines that Mickey said was the best ball he had seen from him since camp began).
He also threw the ball away a few times when nothing was there showing that he understood he shouldn't force something trying to make a play. As with Romo, the OL play was not good and many times, like Romo, Henson was forced to get rid of it before the play developed.
He has physical size and skills superior to Romo and it's easy to understand why Jerry obviously is pulling for him to be the future.

That being said, there are still some things about his play that puzzle me.

He settled down somewhat as the game moved through the 4th quarter, but I understand what training camp observers meant when they said he seemed in camp to be pressing. I am hoping that as he plays, he will do what Romo has done over the past 3 years and that is to become more comfortable and patient in the offense and spread the ball around to the playmakers available to him.

As for his play, from my observation, he still seems to be staring down his receivers and at times, he appears to be aiming the ball.
The best way I can describe what I see in Henson right now is to mention what I heard Phil Simms say one time in a broadcast. Simms was complementing Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and he said that there are certain QBs who "play tall". In other words, they stand upright, tall and strong in the pocket, observing the whole field and seeing everything that is going on down the field. He said there are players who may measure 6' 3" or 6' 4", who simply don't play "as tall" as they measure in height. That is what I see at times in Henson. Even though he's about 6' 3" - 6' 4", he seems to play with a "crouching" style that doesn't give him the best vision of what is going on down the field.

As for his delivery, I have to say, imo, it looks very similar, if not the same, to what it did last year. I am not one who thinks you need to change a delivery to make it picture perfect, but it does seem to resemble more of a baseball throwing motion and at times he looks like he's aiming the ball, like someone would throw darts.

The last observation I had, (that comes to mind right now), is that I still see what many posters on this board mentioned last year after the Bears game and that is a very slight hesitation in Henson moving away form the center.
It seemed more obvious last year, but I again noticed that the DEs, in particular, consistently seemed to be a full step out of their stances and moving toward the pocket as Henson was still taking the ball from the center.
I am not blaming that on Henson because it seemed the center was a little slow in the snap, but I notice it only when Henson is playing. I wish this was something the coaches would dissect and, if it does in fact exist, they would work with him on improving, because I believe it directly effects his play in the pocket when the defenders have that split-second jump off the snap and are able to pressure him before he has time to look down the field.

All in all, I still have much hope for Henson. I am pulling for him and I as much as Jerry want him to be our future star QB. But these are things I see in his play that I wonder if they were present when he played at Michigan? I didn't see him play in college and when I read of those scouting reports given to Jerry that said he was an "Aikman clone", I have to wonder whether he displayed these same characteristics when he played in college?

I welcome other comments on the points I mentioned from those who saw the game last night.
 

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Agreed about the delivery. But, it obviously aint broke. THe one thing I noticed is he seems to have fasten the delivery and got rid of the funky windup he had which took forever. The was the biggest problem with his delivery imo.
 

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From seeing the game in person, I disagree with several of your obseravtions.

Romo, while it was not great, had much better protection, and was also focused on just one or two reads. You don't make 6 throws to TEs, all on quick drops, by checking down to your 3rd or 4th receiver.;)

Henson was very poised, especially when the OL gave up as many jail breaks as they did.

His motion was consistently over the top.

You want a low release? Take a look at the throw Romo made to Crayton that got knocked down in the endzone.
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
...I didn't get to see the first half, so I missed Bledsoe, but I did get to see Romo in the 2nd half and Henson's performance.

Before I mention Henson, I should mention what I saw of Romo.
Romo did a nice job, but the OL play was so bad his unit couln't maintain anything. It seems he is more comfortable this year and he threw a couple of nice balls that moved the team, only to be reversed by penalties.
That being said, I personally don't see Romo as a future starter. The pre-season is absolutely nothing like the real season and I just don't see Romo as anything more than possibly a Jason Garrett-type player. Garrett was more of a "heady" player, (a coach on the field type), while Romo plays with a little more "moxie", (as it's been described). I don't say this to slam Romo because I like him and he's progressed over the past 3 years, but due to his size and arm strength I don't see his upside as anything more than a career backup.

As for Henson, I am a Henson fan, but I am puzzled by him.

As for the positives, he played fairly well and had some nice throws that showed a lot of zip, (one in fact to the sidelines that Mickey said was the best ball he had seen from him since camp began).
He also threw the ball away a few times when nothing was there showing that he understood he shouldn't force something trying to make a play. As with Romo, the OL play was not good and many times, like Romo, Henson was forced to get rid of it before the play developed.
He has physical size and skills superior to Romo and it's easy to understand why Jerry obviously is pulling for him to be the future.

That being said, there are still some things about his play that puzzle me.

He settled down somewhat as the game moved through the 4th quarter, but I understand what training camp observers meant when they said he seemed in camp to be pressing. I am hoping that as he plays, he will do what Romo has done over the past 3 years and that is to become more comfortable and patient in the offense and spread the ball around to the playmakers available to him.

As for his play, from my observation, he still seems to be staring down his receivers and at times, he appears to be aiming the ball.
The best way I can describe what I see in Henson right now is to mention what I heard Phil Simms say one time in a broadcast. Simms was complementing Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and he said that there are certain QBs who "play tall". In other words, they stand upright, tall and strong in the pocket, observing the whole field and seeing everything that is going on down the field. He said there are players who may measure 6' 3" or 6' 4", who simply don't play "as tall" as they measure in height. That is what I see at times in Henson. Even though he's about 6' 3" - 6' 4", he seems to play with a "crouching" style that doesn't give him the best vision of what is going on down the field.

As for his delivery, I have to say, imo, it looks very similar, if not the same, to what it did last year. I am not one who thinks you need to change a delivery to make it picture perfect, but it does seem to resemble more of a baseball throwing motion and at times he looks like he's aiming the ball, like someone would throw darts.

The last observation I had, (that comes to mind right now), is that I still see what many posters on this board mentioned last year after the Bears game and that is a very slight hesitation in Henson moving away form the center.
It seemed more obvious last year, but I again noticed that the DEs, in particular, consistently seemed to be a full step out of their stances and moving toward the pocket as Henson was still taking the ball from the center.
I am not blaming that on Henson because it seemed the center was a little slow in the snap, but I notice it only when Henson is playing. I wish this was something the coaches would dissect and, if it does in fact exist, they would work with him on improving, because I believe it directly effects his play in the pocket when the defenders have that split-second jump off the snap and are able to pressure him before he has time to look down the field.

All in all, I still have much hope for Henson. I am pulling for him and I as much as Jerry want him to be our future star QB. But these are things I see in his play that I wonder if they were present when he played at Michigan? I didn't see him play in college and when I read of those scouting reports given to Jerry that said he was an "Aikman clone", I have to wonder whether he displayed these same characteristics when he played in college?

I welcome other comments on the points I mentioned from those who saw the game last night.
Per your request I am responding.

Last night leaving the game AdButcher, Blindzebra and I all said something at the same time. Basically we said that people would look at the completion % and miss the boat.

The difference between how Romo and Henson throw the ball is night and day. Romo lobs the ball over the top to the target and Henson fires it in there. If people are impressed by lobs then there is no point discussing a difference between the 2 players.

Any QB from HS on up can lob a ball and complete a pass. There are very few who can rifle a ball into a tight spot accurately.

If Romo can throw it better than he did last night I'd be very happy. I really would. There is not a doubt in my mind that he cannot make throws that Bledsoe and Henson can. Last night Henson did it.

A wise old cowboy once told me "liars figure, and figures lie." The dichotomy of last night is the epitome of how this shapes up.

In pre game warmups you could hear the ball hit the WRs hands when Bledsoe and Henson threw it. I saw no zip from Romo at all.

Please don't get me wrong. He can obviously throw the ball. I've run across hundreds of kids who can. They are a dime a dozen. Guys who can rifle the ball are a different caliber.

That's all I am saying. Henson is in a different stratosphere. He didn't just lob the ball to his All Pro TE. He threw it into coverage with velocity.

Completion % is nice. I'll take scoring drives (even though I hate FGs) and velocity every day of the week and twice on game days.
 

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Thanks Hos, good to hear from someone who observed the QBs in person and can see the difference.
Obviously Henson is more talented than Romo now he needs to settle into the job and develop his talent. IMO, the things I mentioned do need to be addressed by Henson and the coaches.
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
Thanks Hos, good to hear from someone who observed the QBs in person and can see the difference.
Obviously Henson is more talented than Romo now he needs to settle into the job and develop his talent. IMO, the things I mentioned do need to be addressed by Henson and the coaches.
I agree with you. He has things to fix. I'd like to see him given the chance to do exactly that.
 

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No - making completions is never overated. Brady gets dinged for a weak arm but makes the reads and gets the ball to his targets. Romo hit 8-10 and had a 28 yarder called back. How was that play to your eyes?

Hensons completing only 46% on 6-13 may be impressive to you, But in the big picture he lost more ground to win backup job. We'll know after next game..... Romo has the gun - see his MPH at combine. Does he have touch and ability to deliver it to players accurately - Yes Sir!
 

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Nors said:
No - making completions is never overated. Brady gets dinged for a weak arm but makes the reads and gets the ball to his targets. Romo hit 8-10 and had a 28 yarder called back. How was that play to your eyes?

Hensons completing only 46% on 6-13 may be impressive to you, But in the big picture he lost more ground to win backup job. We'll know after next game..... Romo has the gun - see his MPH at combine. Does he have touch and ability to deliver it to players accurately - Yes Sir!
You didn't see the game remember?
 

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I watched the game and then slo-mo'd each pass attempt Henson made. I also noticed his delayed movement from center and his low stance while throwing.

His passes showed zip and he demonstrated decent pocket presence. I liked how he stepped away from the rush, but it seemed he looked to get rid of it immediately afterward, rather than continue to scan for open targets. Granted, I didn't see the whole field to know if open targets existed, but I do remember one play in the redzone where he avoided the rush and threw it OB, when he could have stepped up for additional time.

Concerning Romo, he was very fluid even if he didn't throw frozen ropes. It was quite a difference from the deer in the headlights routine he did in the early preseason games last year.


Anyway, that's my $0.02
 

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Nors said:
No - making completions is never overated. Brady gets dinged for a weak arm but makes the reads and gets the ball to his targets. Romo hit 8-10 and had a 28 yarder called back. How was that play to your eyes?

Hensons completing only 46% on 6-13 may be impressive to you, But in the big picture he lost more ground to win backup job. We'll know after next game..... Romo has the gun - see his MPH at combine. Does he have touch and ability to deliver it to players accurately - Yes Sir!


Nors,
I don't know what league you watch, but Brady may have been questioned about his arm strength when he came out of college, but NO ONE questions Brady's arm strength now. Brady has a gun that Romo doesn't even compare to.

Really, it's sort of funny that we debate back and forth about Romo when in essence he is a career backup player at best. No knock on him at all, because with playing experience and time he could become a Jason Garett or possibly even a Steve Buerlein type player. Nothing wrong with that. I would like to see him maximize his ability.
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
Nors,
I don't know what league you watch, but Brady may have been questioned about his arm strength when he came out of college, but NO ONE questions Brady's arm strength now. Brady has a gun that Romo doesn't even compare to.

Really, it's sort of funny that we debate back and forth about Romo when in essence he is a career backup player at best. No knock on him at all, because with playing experience and time he could become a Jason Garett or possibly even a Steve Buerlein type player. Nothing wrong with that. I would like to see him maximize his ability.
In all fairness it has nothing to do with Romo. His greatest asset is that he is not Drew Henson. Henson came here with the "can't miss label" and armchair QBs get their panties in a wad over that. Especially if their hero is gone because he's here. This is nothing more than an extension of the old Q vs. Hutch crap.
 

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In all fairness it has nothing to do with Romo. His greatest asset is that he is not Drew Henson. Henson came here with the "can't miss label" and armchair QBs get their panties in a wad over that. Especially if their hero is gone because he's here. This is nothing more than an extension of the old Q vs. Hutch crap.

Absolutely! It amazes me that some posters love to ridicule Henson when all he's done is work his rear end off since he's been here to maximize his talent and try to be a good player for the Boys.

What kind of a fan is that? :(
 

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Boom said:
I watched the game and then slo-mo'd each pass attempt Henson made. I also noticed his delayed movement from center and his low stance while throwing.

His passes showed zip and he demonstrated decent pocket presence. I liked how he stepped away from the rush, but it seemed he looked to get rid of it immediately afterward, rather than continue to scan for open targets. Granted, I didn't see the whole field to know if open targets existed, but I do remember one play in the redzone where he avoided the rush and threw it OB, when he could have stepped up for additional time.

Concerning Romo, he was very fluid even if he didn't throw frozen ropes. It was quite a difference from the deer in the headlights routine he did in the early preseason games last year.


Anyway, that's my $0.02

I think what Henson was doing the majority of the game could be called "playing it safe." I think kind of ties into the confidence things some, and as he improves his confidence, his play will also improve.
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
Absolutely! It amazes me that some posters love to ridicule Henson when all he's done is work his rear end off since he's been here to maximize his talent and try to be a good player for the Boys.

What kind of a fan is that? :(
I can't answer that. I have always wanted the best 53 out there. I had a friend and source on the team. We drafted Witten. Goodbye and thank you.

It is wrong to hype Henson, but hype everyone else. I don't get it.
 

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I've sen the game twice now, and Henson was very impressive. He really seems to be poised in the pocket. He just has that look......relaxed, confident.

One drive stands out.....I can't remember which now, but you could see Henson gaining confidence. He had the ears of the guys in the Huddle. You could see him confidently commanding his troops.

All that being said, there are two areas of Henson's game that worry me. In the two years I've seen him play, I've never seen him throw that crossing pass 17 yards down the middle of the field. I've never seen him complete a deep pass. I've only seen him complete one skinny post (last year to R Williams vs the Raiders).

I have seen Romo's deep pass.....he throws it well. Kinda like Jason Garrett.

And on Romo.......I really like the guy, but I think the best we can hope for with him is a Jason Garrett type. Very solid, smart, places the ball well.

Henson can actually be a Troy Aikman type.....Tall, smart, great velocity, team leader.
 

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I can't wait to see both Romo and Henson with the first team offense. I'm sure Bledsoe will play next week as the starter, but I'm thinking each of our backup QBs will start at least one game each. If a comparison can be made between the two, it can only be made in a similar situation, and assuming things are even on how other members of the team play - the offensive line, the receivers, the running backs, etc.

I did not see the game - I live in DC - but the reports on both backup QBs make me more optimistic than I was after all of the reports coming out of camp, especially with respect to Henson. I have admited that I have a bias towards Henson. But, my bias isn't such that I want Romo to fail, and I'm not one to criticize one or the other at each other's expense. It's just not my way. I just feel that Henson has the greater potential (smarts, arm strength, accuracy, etc.), and just think when he gets used to the speed of the game, he has that QB "charisma" to excel. I could be wrong - it's not the first time - but I hope I'm not.
 

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Boom said:
I watched the game and then slo-mo'd each pass attempt Henson made. I also noticed his delayed movement from center and his low stance while throwing.

His passes showed zip and he demonstrated decent pocket presence. I liked how he stepped away from the rush, but it seemed he looked to get rid of it immediately afterward, rather than continue to scan for open targets. Granted, I didn't see the whole field to know if open targets existed, but I do remember one play in the redzone where he avoided the rush and threw it OB, when he could have stepped up for additional time.

Concerning Romo, he was very fluid even if he didn't throw frozen ropes. It was quite a difference from the deer in the headlights routine he did in the early preseason games last year.


Anyway, that's my $0.02
I agree with you on all these points and I would just like to add that I believe Romo has been with the team one more year than henson so his understanding of the system will obviously be better than Hensons. Give Henson a chance since IMO his arm is prob wore out from 5000+ passes in offseason.
 

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Nors said:
No - making completions is never overated. Brady gets dinged for a weak arm but makes the reads and gets the ball to his targets. Romo hit 8-10 and had a 28 yarder called back. How was that play to your eyes?

Hensons completing only 46% on 6-13 may be impressive to you, But in the big picture he lost more ground to win backup job. We'll know after next game..... Romo has the gun - see his MPH at combine. Does he have touch and ability to deliver it to players accurately - Yes Sir!

first off, you didnt see the game Nors...yes Romo was 8/10, but most of Romo's compeltions were short throws...his two incompletions were downfeld throws and he didnt display this "gun" you keep speaking of...he probably should have had a TD to Crayton but threw a whobbly, too much air under pass that the DB was able to recover on to make a play...his other inc he tried to throw an intermediate in pass that the CB jumped and nearly picked clean...the 28 yd pass that was called back that you keep crowing about was a catch and run by Crayton, it didnt go 28yds in the air

Henson was 6/13, at first glance that wouldnt be good...on the other hand those that saw the game know that 3 or 4 of the incompletions were throw aways to avoid sacks

David
 

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Bizwah said:
All that being said, there are two areas of Henson's game that worry me. In the two years I've seen him play, I've never seen him throw that crossing pass 17 yards down the middle of the field. I've never seen him complete a deep pass. I've only seen him complete one skinny post (last year to R Williams vs the Raiders).

Ider.

Henson did zing a great deep seam type pass to Witten last yr in preseason...it was a 30-something yd gain I think and was a frozen rope

he also threw a bomb for a TD in last yrs srimmage...I think it was one of (maybe it was his first pass) his first throws...

David
 
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