Any NFL rules against Cassell working extra with his WR, TEs, RBs?

[cowboyjoe]

Any NFL rules against Cassell working extra with his WR, TEs, RBs? after practice, Staubach, Romo did!
ok is there any nfl rules against players spending extra time after practice and on their own to get their timing down etc these next 2 weeks? Staubach, Romo did this with young wrs, etc.. Can Cassell? Point I am trying to make is this, evidently Weeden didnt spend enough time with Gasobar our TE, where Weeden said he had been working with Gasbar on the TD reception in practice that weeden missed but evidently not enough time was spent.

Has been well documented where romo and staubach spent extra time after practice working with wr, tes, and rbs to get their timing down etc.. This needs to be done.

 

[Craig]

I don't think weeden's inability to hit a target is related to reps with specific receivers.

 

[Hoofbite]

Why would there be?

 

[Bullflop]

I could be mistaken but seriously doubt there is such a rule and if there is, I've never heard of it. I believe Weeden's difficulty is with his accuracy and not due to any rule prohibiting the scenario mentioned. Granted, organized practices are limited as to the amount of time in which they can be conducted. I don't think there's anything limiting what a QB and a receiver can do on their own time, as long as it's not part of an organized practice, per se.

 

[JDSmith]

Why would there be?

For the same reason every team has to have voluntary workouts in the offseason, only one minicamp, a limit on practices and scheduled offseason workouts etc... - the CBA is very much geared towards protecting players from having to work.

That said, I'm sure they can do all the extra work they want, the coaches just can't tell them to do it.

To quote one of our infamous 'Brick brothers,"What do voluntary mean?"

 

[burmafrd]

For the same reason every team has to have voluntary workouts in the offseason, only one minicamp, a limit on practices and scheduled offseason workouts etc... - the CBA is very much geared towards protecting players from having to work.

That said, I'm sure they can do all the extra work they want, the coaches just can't tell them to do it.

To quote one of our infamous 'Brick brothers,"What do voluntary mean?"

they just have to be careful not to say it aloud and leave no paper trail....

 

[xwalker]

Any NFL rules against Cassell working extra with his WR, TEs, RBs? after practice, Staubach, Romo did!
ok is there any nfl rules against players spending extra time after practice and on their own to get their timing down etc these next 2 weeks? Staubach, Romo did this with young wrs, etc.. Can Cassell? Point I am trying to make is this, evidently Weeden didnt spend enough time with Gasobar our TE, where Weeden said he had been working with Gasbar on the TD reception in practice that weeden missed but evidently not enough time was spent.

Has been well documented where romo and staubach spent extra time after practice working with wr, tes, and rbs to get their timing down etc.. This needs to be done.

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

 

[Jenky]

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

His number #1 problem is his brain.

 

[viman96]

Teams are limited to two practices during the bye week.

What is a practice? When it is organized by the team.
What is not a practice? When players decide to work on their own.

So to answer your question, it is up to Cassel and the other players.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

He's not "afraid" to get hit. That does not hold up with any evaluation of him before coming here and is pretty much directly opposed to the book on him. You are right though in that playing with a live pass rush vs practice is a big problem for him. He does not in any shape or way resemble the quarterback he was in Cleveland. I suspect, in an attempt to eliminate the turnovers, he was coached to become basically the guy who is replacing him.

Broaddus recently wrote negatively about Weeden's problems but I find it more interesting to read his take on Weeden's Cleveland tape right after we acquired him:

"To Weeden’s credit, he was more than willing to stand in middle of that pocket and deliver the ball with everything breaking down around him. But he also made some throws where you have to cover your eyes -- again, it’s the clock in his head. The longer than ball is in his hand, the more likely he is going to panic and try to horse the ball into a crowd of defenders instead of taking the check down and fighting another day."

Now he panics in the pocket, doesn't hold the ball long enough for routes to develop, and checks down every single time. Nice job by the coaching staff, I guess. The good news is that Cassel already comes pre-packaged to do all of that stuff. No need to coach.

 

[CF74]

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

Yep Weeden looks awesome in practice but in real time when bullets are flying he gets scared and over throws everybody...

 

[xwalker]

He's not "afraid" to get hit. That does not hold up with any evaluation of him before coming here and is pretty much directly opposed to the book on him. You are right though in that playing with a live pass rush vs practice is a big problem for him. He does not in any shape or way resemble the quarterback he was in Cleveland. I suspect, in an attempt to eliminate the turnovers, he was coached to become basically the guy who is replacing him.

Broaddus recently wrote negatively about Weeden's problems but I find it more interesting to read his take on Weeden's Cleveland tape right after we acquired him:

"To Weeden’s credit, he was more than willing to stand in middle of that pocket and deliver the ball with everything breaking down around him. But he also made some throws where you have to cover your eyes -- again, it’s the clock in his head. The longer than ball is in his hand, the more likely he is going to panic and try to horse the ball into a crowd of defenders instead of taking the check down and fighting another day."

Now he panics in the pocket, doesn't hold the ball long enough for routes to develop, and checks down every single time. Nice job by the coaching staff, I guess. The good news is that Cassel already comes pre-packaged to do all of that stuff. No need to coach.

Maybe you missed plays like the one where he slid down in the backfield despite only 1 defender being near him. He is not that slow of a runner but he will just go down when he thinks he is going to get hit and rarely even tries to move away from the pass rush.

On that roll out shown in the Strum article where he failed to throw to Street until it was too late, he was likely afraid to stop and make the throw because he would get hit.

 

[texbumthelife]

As long as it's not team mandated and it's no-contact, I don't think there is any reason to worry.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Maybe you missed plays like the one where he slid down in the backfield despite only 1 defender being near him. He is not that slow of a runner but he will just go down when he thinks he is going to get hit and rarely even tries to move away from the pass rush.

On that roll out shown in the Strum article where he failed to throw to Street until it was too late, he was likely afraid to stop and make the throw because he would get hit.

People remember what they want to. Do you want to place a wager that I can't find several plays where he stood in the pocket and delivered the ball while taking a hit over these last three games? Can you find an unbiased source who has evaluated him and said that he is "afraid", while I can find you several that say its a strength? I don't think so. I agree with the bulk of what you said. You were corrected on a small point. Move on.

 

[xwalker]

People remember what they want to. Do you want to place a wager that I can't find several plays where he stood in the pocket and delivered the ball while taking a hit over these last three games? Can you find an unbiased source who has evaluated him and said that he is "afraid", while I can find you several that say its a strength? I don't think so. I agree with the bulk of what you said. You were corrected on a small point. Move on.

An NFL QB has to stand in the pocket on some plays. How else would he ever throw the ball? That does not mean that he is not scared. How often does an NFL QB slide down and intentionally take a sack when he is out of the pocket and running from the 1 defender?

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Wrangler87]

He's not "afraid" to get hit. That does not hold up with any evaluation of him before coming here and is pretty much directly opposed to the book on him. You are right though in that playing with a live pass rush vs practice is a big problem for him. He does not in any shape or way resemble the quarterback he was in Cleveland. I suspect, in an attempt to eliminate the turnovers, he was coached to become basically the guy who is replacing him.

Broaddus recently wrote negatively about Weeden's problems but I find it more interesting to read his take on Weeden's Cleveland tape right after we acquired him:

"To Weeden’s credit, he was more than willing to stand in middle of that pocket and deliver the ball with everything breaking down around him. But he also made some throws where you have to cover your eyes -- again, it’s the clock in his head. The longer than ball is in his hand, the more likely he is going to panic and try to horse the ball into a crowd of defenders instead of taking the check down and fighting another day."

Now he panics in the pocket, doesn't hold the ball long enough for routes to develop, and checks down every single time. Nice job by the coaching staff, I guess. The good news is that Cassel already comes pre-packaged to do all of that stuff. No need to coach.

...and the agenda continues.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

...and the agenda continues.

And the Wrangler troll's illiteracy continues...

 

[Cebrin]

Shouldn't be a problem. Cassell should be a vast improvement. After watching Weeden for 3 games, I know exactly why we've lost. He can't make NFL throws. He's a nice arm, and a sound mind, but lacks touch, accuracy, and placement with the ball. Stares down one receiver until it's pressure time. Doesn't keep his eyes down field under pressure. Not athletic enough to create something from nothing, and horrible throwing on the run. He's not even back up material. I supported him whole heartedly, because he was a great college talent, but he doesn't have the NFL moxy. I hope so much that Cassell can flash some of that New England stuff over here. We need CPR on this team before it dies.

 

[ologan]

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

Isn't he one of the three "Wise Men"....Balthasar, Melchior, and Gaspar?? We need all the help we can get!!!

 

[Bullflop]

Who is Gasobar and Gasbar?

Yes, players can do whatever they want on their own time.

The problem for Weed working on a pass play in practice is that he is not going to get hit. Weed's #1 problem is that he is deathly afraid of getting hit.

Agreed. He shows his fear of hits in every game he plays by going down well before there's a serious threat.