AP Article: Raiders have "serious" conversations with team interested in moving up

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http://http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=DD13079083EF19DA4F863614C51E8673?id=09000d5d807f5cbc&template=with-video&confirm=true

Raiders have "serious" conversations with team interested in trade


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ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Teams picking near the top of the NFL Draft normally have plenty of needs.

Even after a busy offseason of acquisitions that brought in former Pro Bowlers DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker, the Oakland Raiders are no different.

That's why Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said the team is giving consideration to moving down from the No. 4 spot in the first round to make up for the fact that Oakland's second of five picks doesn't come until the fourth round with the 104th overall selection.

"More than ever, not in Raider fashion, we may trade back," Kiffin said Thursday. "It hasn't happened before but it is something we're seriously looking at. And that stems from the lack of picks and not having a fifth, a third or a second. It's something we're really looking at and having conversations about."

Kiffin said the Raiders have talked to a number of teams interested in the fourth pick, with some of those conversations characterized as "serious."

The fourth pick could have significant value because it's probable that highly regarded running back Darren McFadden will be available and there's also a good chance that top quarterback Matt Ryan will be there for the taking.

The Raiders clearly would not draft Ryan after using the No. 1 overall selection last year on quarterback JaMarcus Russell.

They also don't have a glaring need for McFadden, a player Kiffin has compared to Reggie Bush.

Kiffin has downplayed Oakland's interest in McFadden because the team re-signed Justin Fargas to a $12 million, three-year contract earlier in the offseason, renegotiated Dominic Rhodes' contract, and thinks highly of Michael Bush, who missed his rookie season recovering from a broken leg.

The Raiders finished sixth overall in running last season and had a 100-yard rusher in half of their games.

"We're so stockpiled at that position," Kiffin said. "Sometimes running back's not a need but a dynamic player, sometimes you obviously have to look at because the guy is so good at it he becomes a need for a star at that position. Obviously we've watched a lot of him, done a lot of research on him. But there's so many different directions for us to go before we get to running."

The primary need for the Raiders is at defensive line, which is also a strength at the top of this draft. Oakland allowed a league-worst 4.8 yards per carry and had only 27 sacks during a 4-12 season.
With offensive lineman Jake Long already taken No. 1 by Miami, the Raiders are assured that at least one of the top three defensive linemen -- Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long and Vernon Gholston -- will be on the board when they pick at No. 4.

"It's a position of need for us and there's going to be at least one really good player there when we pick from the D-line," Kiffin said.

Dorsey is the least likely of the three to still be available after St. Louis and Atlanta make their picks, but the Raiders appear to have a bigger need at end where Long and Gholston play instead of tackle.

Kiffin said newly re-signed lineman Tommy Kelly would start at one of the defensive tackle spots next season and praised the offseason work by Terdell Sands, a disappointment as a run-stopper last season.

Kiffin had his biggest praise for Chris Long. Kiffin called Long a "phenomenal effort player" who has proven he can play in a number of different roles.

"He's so strong at the point of attack, and would be a guy that I think would help us tremendously in the run game," Kiffin said.

Gholston is more of a pass-rusher than a run-stopper, but the Raiders do need to replace Chris Clemons, who left as a free agent after tying for the team lead with eight sacks last season.

The other needs the Raiders could address in the draft are at receiver, offensive line, outside linebacker, safety and returner.

The Raiders have been the NFL's worst team since getting to the Super Bowl in the 2002 season, posting a 19-61 record the past five seasons. The production in the draft has been a big reason for those struggles.

Oakland hasn't drafted a Pro Bowl player since getting punter Shane Lechler in the fifth round in 2000. The last non-specialist drafted to make the Pro Bowl with the Raiders was cornerback Charles Woodson in 1998 and the last offensive Pro Bowler drafted was center Barret Robbins in 1995.

The Raiders have had three top 10 selections the past four seasons and haven't found a surefire star yet. Robert Gallery struggled at tackle in his first three seasons after being the second pick in 2002 before showing some positive signs as a left guard last season despite a penchant for penalties.

Safety Michael Huff has just one interception, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery since being taken seventh in 2006, and Russell started only one game last season because of a contract dispute after being picked first overall.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
 

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It is very interesting since it seems the Jerry Jones wants DMAC and now there seems to be opportunity to move up.

It's just interesting...
 

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Moving from #4 to #8 doesn't save the Raiders a lot of $$ (still top 10) and doesn't net them that many draft picks. The team to look out for is the team sitting there with 2 #1s that could easily be used by the Raiders later in the first round to pick up 2 or 3 more picks.

I see thunder clouds in the distance. One more piece of Jerry's "Perfect Storm" is shaping up!! :D

perfectstormdvdcover.jpg
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2049829 said:
I doubt it's Dallas... It's probably the Jets or Baltimore.

I don't think it's the Jets. If this article is to be believed (the Raiders are stock-piled at RB, but have many other holes to fill), if the Jets stay put, McFadden will fall to them at #6 (unless another team tries to move up and get McFadden, of course).

Again, if the article is accurate, the Raiders are looking to get multiple picks in return for the #4 pick because of their lack of any picks between round 1 and round 4. The Jets moving up from 6 to 4 wouldn't provide as much in return as a trade with Baltimore, or possibly another team further down in the first round. ;)
 

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CaptainAmerica;2049859 said:
Moving from #4 to #8 doesn't save the Raiders a lot of $$ (still top 10) and doesn't net them that many draft picks. The team to look out for is the team sitting there with 2 #1s that could easily be used by the Raiders later in the first round to pick up 2 or 3 more picks.

I see thunder clouds in the distance. One more piece of Jerry's "Perfect Storm" is shaping up!! :D

perfectstormdvdcover.jpg

I could easily see Oakland do a trade for our 2 #1's and then us also throwing in a player like Ayodele at LBer for them or even Carpenter.

I'd even consider looking at moving Spears in place of one of those guys and look at getting a reasonable draft pick back next year from the Raiders on top of it for including Spears, so they can conserve their draft picks for this year and use them.

Make it a conditional pick that is based on Spears starting and attaining certain levels of his present contract with us. Make it a 3rd rd. for 2009 but conditional on it being a #2 pick in 2009 if he works out well for the Raiders.

Spears is not playing well in the 3-4 we have now and the 4-3 in Oakland would probably be a better fit for him there.

Same would be said for Carpenter. He's not suited to the 3-4 as a LBer and needs a new opportuity..let's get something for both of these guys now. After this season, both will be hard to trade because everybody will know we will just not re-sign them and then have to release them in 2010.

Why wait..?

We just went thru that with letting JuJo go for nothing. We all knew after 2006 that JuJo was not going to make it in attaining a starter role at RB with MBIII coming on like he was.

So I say trade them now if at all possible. Both Spears and Carpenter and also Ayodele have other people either playing ahead of them or in Spear's case, we have players needing time at his position and we need to go ahead and start playing them and take Spear out of the equation.

The 'perfect storm' has several silver linings as I see it and Oakland could pick up as many as 3 potential starters and even possibly 4 if there is enough in it for us by dealing for their #4 plus some future draft picks to fill out the trade, if DMAC is available there.

And with taking a guy like DMAC..we'd need to lop off some cap money to do it. Trading Spears and/or Carp plus Ayodele being traded would certainly help that immediately with opening up some needed cap room to sign DMAC.

It would be a bold move on both team's parts, but it would fit both teams with needing to get to the next levels..done right..it would be a win-win for each franchise..

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin
 

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I hope to see some some serious movement in the draft this year. Not just the old boring 15 minute to the wire stuff every year.

I just heard Stephen Jones on the Michael Irving show admitt that DMAC & Long are best in the draft, and that with the players they have on their team, they are in a position to move up if the opportunity presents itself, and or, they are more than willing to trade for a star or established proven WR rather than draft 1 since they take a year possibly up to 3 years to to come around.

I'm paraphrasing of course, but I heard the entire interview.
 

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CrazyCowboy;2050286 said:
I am going to buy extra beer for tomorrow.

2 cases of Shiner from Costco should do alright.

I am actually warming to the idea of trading for McFadden but only if its our 2 firsts. if you ask me whether id rather have Felix Jones and Brandon Flowers or DMac, Ill take DMac.
 

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i'm not warming to the idea but i'm starting to get that sick feeling in my stomach that it will happen simply because i've so strongly not wanted to see us give up both our first rounders to move up and get him.
 

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interesting stuff. c'mon Al! you would not only help your team by getting more picks, you would also be helping out a good friend.
 

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they had a guy on ESPN just now that said its just Kiffin trying to drum up interest, and that Davis has very little, if any interest in trading down...he also noted that Davis has never traded down from a top-5 draft pick...have no idea if thats true, or how many times it is...but thats waht he said

David
 

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dbair1967;2050719 said:
they had a guy on ESPN just now that said its just Kiffin trying to drum up interest, and that Davis has very little, if any interest in trading down...he also noted that Davis has never traded down from a top-5 draft pick...have no idea if thats true, or how many times it is...but thats waht he said

David

Maybe so, but how many times has Al been sitting there with a team that stinks, players needed everywhere, multi-million dollar salaries being paid to high draft picks and, oh, by the way, no picks in the second and third round.

The only logical move for them is trade down if one is available.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2050539 said:
i'm not warming to the idea but i'm starting to get that sick feeling in my stomach that it will happen simply because i've so strongly not wanted to see us give up both our first rounders to move up and get him.
Yeah lets take 2 guys that we will all be saying LETS TRADE HIM! HE IS EATING SO MUCH CAP! in 2-3 years! Thats a great plan! I will take quality over quantity thank you!
 

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If we trade up for McFadden then you can say goodbye to Barber, we dont have the cap to pay both $40 million.

I just think it would be stupid to let a probowl RB walk out the door in hopes that a rookie can be a probowl RB as well. I guess I am a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush type of guy.

What if McFadden is a bust and we let a probowler walk?
 

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CaptainAmerica;2050747 said:
Maybe so, but how many times has Al been sitting there with a team that stinks, players needed everywhere, multi-million dollar salaries being paid to high draft picks and, oh, by the way, no picks in the second and third round.

The only logical move for them is trade down if one is available.


One MAJOR problem and i bet you can guess what it is;)
 

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Beast_from_East;2050774 said:
If we trade up for McFadden then you can say goodbye to Barber, we dont have the cap to pay both $40 million.

I just think it would be stupid to let a probowl RB walk out the door in hopes that a rookie can be a probowl RB as well. I guess I am a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush type of guy.

What if McFadden is a bust and we let a probowler walk?

we'd probably have some idea of that this yr dont you think? they'd almost assuredly both be on our roster this season

here's one for you...what if Barber tanks as a lead RB?

David
 

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Beast_from_East;2050774 said:
If we trade up for McFadden then you can say goodbye to Barber, we dont have the cap to pay both $40 million.

I just think it would be stupid to let a probowl RB walk out the door in hopes that a rookie can be a probowl RB as well. I guess I am a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush type of guy.

What if McFadden is a bust and we let a probowler walk?
I think it would be stupid to give marion barber 40 million. I know he's a fan favorite but with his style you would be a fool to give him that kind of money
 
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