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Bonds unknowingly used steroids
Associated Press
Posted: 28 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told the federal grand jury last year that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances he used in 2003 were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by the Chronicle.

The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as "the clear" and "the cream," two steroids from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, the lab at the center of the steroid scandal.

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, said the leak of grand jury testimony was an attempt to smear his client. Grand jury transcripts are sealed and the Chronicle did not say who showed them the documents.

"My view has always been this case has been the U.S. vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client," Rains told the newspaper. "And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly."

Calls to Rains' office from The Associated Press went unanswered Thursday night.

Tony Serra, Anderson's lawyer, said Anderson "never knowingly provided illegal substances to anyone."

The Chronicle story is the latest development this week in the more than yearlong BALCO probe. On Thursday, the paper reported Yankees slugger Jason Giambi told the grand jury he injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons.

Before the Bonds story was even published, U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said his office was concerned about the leaks to the Chronicle and asked the Justice Department to investigate.

Also, ABC News and ESPN the Magazine released excerpts of interviews with Conte, in which the BALCO founder admits to watching Olympic star Marion Jones inject herself in the leg with human growth hormone. Jones' attorneys denied she ever used performance-enhancing drugs. Conte's interview with ABC's "20/20" program will air Friday night.

Dozens of elite athletes testified before the grand jury last year, including baseball stars Bonds, Giambi and Gary Sheffield, and track stars Jones, Tim Montgomery and Kelli White.

The probe led to some athletes being banned from the Olympics and left a cloud of suspicion over others, such as Jones, who were allowed to compete despite the investigation.

But Bonds is the biggest star of all, the holder of baseball's single-season home run record of 73 in 2001 and the man who could break Hank Aaron's career homer mark of 755 as early as next year. Bonds ended last season with 703 homers and won his record seventh NL Most Valuable Player award.

It is uncertain what punishment, if any, Bonds could receive from baseball, which didn't have penalties for steroid use until last year.

While discipline is spelled out for positive tests and criminal convictions from 2003 on, admission of illegal steroid use is not addressed, possibly giving baseball commissioner Bud Selig an opening to punish Bonds.

Selig repeatedly has called for year-round random testing and harsher penalties, but management and the players' association have failed to reach an agreement. The contract runs through the 2006 season.

"I've been saying for many months: I instituted a very, very tough program in the minor leagues on steroids in 2001. We need to have that program at the major league level," Selig said Thursday in Washington, D.C. "We're going to leave no stone unturned until we have that policy in place by spring training 2005."

Prosecutors confronted Bonds with documents dating to his record-setting season of 2001 that allegedly detailed his use of many drugs, including human growth hormone, steroids and insulin. He said he believed he only used legal products to treat arthritis and fatigue.

Bonds danced around questions, saying he couldn't explain a calendar with the name "Barry" on it; he had never seen a bottle that says Depo-Testosterone; he had never heard of the drugs Clomid, modafinil and trenbolone; and he couldn't pronounce EPO.

Bonds testified that he didn't think any of the substances worked but kept using them out of loyalty to Anderson. He also said he never consulted with the Giants about what Anderson gave him.

"No way ... we don't trust the ball team," Bonds said. "We don't trust baseball. ... Believe me, it's a business. I don't trust their doctors or nothing."

Sheffield also testified to the grand jury that Bonds arranged for Anderson to give him "the clear," "the cream," and another steroid from Mexico, but also said he did not know they were steroids.

Bonds said he never paid Anderson for drugs or supplements but did give the trainer $15,000 in cash in 2003 for weight training and a $20,000 bonus after his 73-homer season.

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he "lives in his car half the time." Asked by a juror why he didn't buy "a mansion" for his trainer, Bonds answered: "One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."
 

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You know there have been stuff you could buy over the counter that sound exactly like the clear and cream process they describe.

A friend of mine used the stuff while I was stationed in Korea....I highly doubt it was steroids as it came in a weight lifting brand name package (may have been wieder or one metrx or one of those brands).

However for Bonds to act like he has no clue is beyond silly IMO.

This guy is fooling nobody.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
You know there have been stuff you could buy over the counter that sound exactly like the clear and cream process they describe.

A friend of mine used the stuff while I was stationed in Korea....I highly doubt it was steroids as it came in a weight lifting brand name package (may have been wieder or one metrx or one of those brands).

However for Bonds to act like he has no clue is beyond silly IMO.

This guy is fooling nobody.

Exactly. He knows everything that goes into his body. If he doesn't, then he is an idiot. Every athlete knows which substances are banned and will check the ingredients of anything they take for performance inhancement.
 

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joseephuss said:
Exactly. He knows everything that goes into his body. If he doesn't, then he is an idiot. Every athlete knows which substances are banned and will check the ingredients of anything they take for performance inhancement.


At least you would hope they do.. being high paid professional athletes. When I managed a suppliment store in the DFW area, I use to have pro and college atheletes come in that really didn't know squat about what they were putting in their bodies. They depended on me and my employees to know what was approved and what was banned for their sport. Several companies had "natural" steroid type substances in them at one time... MuscleTech, Pinnacle, Twin Labs, etc. Pinnacle was the most popular - Andro Poppers and of course the ever popular "Beast". Sad thing is some of the "naturals" didn't have estrogen blockers in them so... y'all may see physical evidence after they stop using some testosterone boosting products.. the "man boob" thing might show up.

Barry Bonds is a very intelligent man, I don't think he was clueless about what he was doing.. There is a remarkable difference in performance with vs without steriod.. and an extremely visual/physical difference in muscle, strength and behavior/attitude.
 

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Bonds is 40 he does not have to answer any of these questions.
 

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No he doesn't have to answer.. but I'm curious about something... where the heck did this remark come from??

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he "lives in his car half the time." Asked by a juror why he didn't buy "a mansion" for his trainer, Bonds answered: "One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."


I know he was under pressure and everything and it was probably a sarcastic remark.. but the whole "I'm black" thing was way out in left field for what was going on.... just a strange remark to make IMO
 

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He takes them and needs to own up to it. The same goes for McGuire and Sosa.
 

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CowboysPrincess said:
No he doesn't have to answer.. but I'm curious about something... where the heck did this remark come from??

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he "lives in his car half the time." Asked by a juror why he didn't buy "a mansion" for his trainer, Bonds answered: "One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."

I know he was under pressure and everything and it was probably a sarcastic remark.. but the whole "I'm black" thing was way out in left field for what was going on.... just a strange remark to make IMO
Beyond that, I thought it was weird that here's this multi-millionaire talking about his friend being homeless, and he can't even plunk down $50,000 for a little shack for him. Then again, maybe living in a car makes you houseless, not homeless.:)

"One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white, well, except for my longtime friend Greg Anderson who's always broke and lives in his car. And I ain't giving my money up. Not even for a friend who has helped me boost my hall of fame stats."

What a dolt.
 

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Bonds danced around questions, saying he couldn't explain a calendar with the name "Barry" on it; he had never seen a bottle that says Depo-Testosterone; he had never heard of the drugs Clomid, modafinil and trenbolone; and he couldn't pronounce EPO.

This is so silly. Depo-Testosterone is a trade name for the hormone Testosterone Enanthate. It's a long acting ester, 7 carbon chain molecule. It's nothing more than a chemical form of a natural hormone produced in the human body.

In fact, doctors prescribe it to AIDS patients and older men. Nothing illegal about it.

Clomid is an anti-estrogen in pill form used to combat the excess development of estrogen in breast cancer patients. Clomid is also used at the end of a steroid cycle to help kick start the natural testosterone development. Again, nothing illegal.

Trenbolone is a compound used by the beef industry. Pellets are injected into feed lot hefers two months before slaughter to aid in the development of lean muscle mass in the cattle. Without it, the cattle industry would not be able to supply America's appetite for beef. It's absolutely legal and can be purchased on various Yahoo webstores such as www.vetamerica.com ... just go to cattle implants.

So you guys make it seem like these guys are coke heads or junkies ... other than giving an athlete an advantage, there's nothing illegal or dangerous about anabolics.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
You know there have been stuff you could buy over the counter that sound exactly like the clear and cream process they describe.

A friend of mine used the stuff while I was stationed in Korea....I highly doubt it was steroids as it came in a weight lifting brand name package (may have been wieder or one metrx or one of those brands).

However for Bonds to act like he has no clue is beyond silly IMO.

This guy is fooling nobody.

If it was a cream, it probably was a "prohormone" supplement. They are steroids that can be bought over the counter (all though people dont say their steroids). I know they plan to ban them soon
 

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Eddie said:
This is so silly. Depo-Testosterone is a trade name for the hormone Testosterone Enanthate. It's a long acting ester, 7 carbon chain molecule. It's nothing more than a chemical form of a natural hormone produced in the human body.

In fact, doctors prescribe it to AIDS patients and older men. Nothing illegal about it.

Clomid is an anti-estrogen in pill form used to combat the excess development of estrogen in breast cancer patients. Clomid is also used at the end of a steroid cycle to help kick start the natural testosterone development. Again, nothing illegal.

Trenbolone is a compound used by the beef industry. Pellets are injected into feed lot hefers two months before slaughter to aid in the development of lean muscle mass in the cattle. Without it, the cattle industry would not be able to supply America's appetite for beef. It's absolutely legal and can be purchased on various Yahoo webstores such as www.vetamerica.com ... just go to cattle implants.

So you guys make it seem like these guys are coke heads or junkies ... other than giving an athlete an advantage, there's nothing illegal or dangerous about anabolics.


Test enathe is a steroid. That is the form of test that people "bloat" when using. test Prop is the same thing without the bloat. Also, all steroids (except anavar) are made with testosterone, its the backbone of steroids.

Clomid is used to help RECOVER from the damage the steroids did to your hpta (I think thats how you spell it). And clomid is illegal unless you "buy it for research purposes" if your a man. Also, clomid messes up your vision and makes people extremly sad, depressed, moody, and etc

yes Tren can be bought but its not meant for Human Consumption, its a steroid that is known for its effects on most peoples mood even though some dont believe in "Roid Rage"

Steroids are so dangerous, take it from someone that has used them before. it sucks, trust me. They cause premature balding in men, an increased prostate, your nuts shrinking, acne, lack of a libedo, and so on.
 
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