AP Sources: Feds arrests one in McNair killing

[WoodysGirl]

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Associated Press has learned that federal agents have a convicted felon under arrest for providing the gun later used to kill ex-NFL quarterback Steve McNair.

Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case, say the suspect has been arrested by agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

Federal prosecutors in Nashville plan to announce the charges at a press conference later Friday.

McNair was shot to death on July 4 at his condo by his 20-year-old mistress Sahel Kazemi, who then turned the gun on herself. Police have said Kazemi bought the gun in a private sale from a person they haven't identified.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Hello WoodysGirl

I wonder if the gun peddler person was a legitimate gun dealer gone awry or was he illegally gun trafficing guns. This was a sad case all around. With all due respect for the memory of the NFL football player and a grieving McNair family, generally, folks feel uneasy about mentioning that McNair was involved in an extra maritial affairs.

One could make the case that if his girl friend (Kazemi) had not purchsed the gun (should be a crack-down on illegal firearms in our country), McNair may not have been slain.

Another observation is that it is now obvious to me that the "so-called" girlfriend had some type of emotional or other mental issue that contributed toward her dysfunctional method of dealing with her jealousy (or whatever drove her to homicide/sucide mode). I wonder if she had a past history of mental illness or emotional unstability? This exemplifies the point that the gun peddler did not care whether the murderess was stable, or distraught.

You could probably make the case that if this gun peddler woulld not have sold the gun to McNair's mistress, she would not have had a gun to carry out the fatal crime (even though she probably would have gotten a firearm from somewhere else).

And finally, you could say that is McNair wasn't involved in this melee he would have been alive, the girl friend would never have entered into his life; only to take his life, and the gun seller would probably have sold his wares to some other person to commit a murder.

This was a tangled web.

PT

 

[Seven]

Hello WoodysGirl

I wonder if the gun peddler person was a legitimate gun dealer gone awry or was he illegally gun trafficing guns.

Convicted felon. He isn't supposed to have guns. He sold 1 gun. That makes him a trafficker? The AP NEEDS you, PT.

One could make the case that if his girl friend (Kazemi) had not purchsed the gun (should be a crack-down on illegal firearms in our country), McNair may not have been slain.

Not an illegal firearm. Illegally owning a firearm via the convicted felon.

Another observation is that it is now obvious to me that the "so-called" girlfriend had some type of emotional or other mental issue that contributed toward her dysfunctional method of dealing with her jealousy

Ya think? A shot in each temple? 2 in the chest? Dysfunctional? What do you call a meth dealer? An unlicensed Pharmacist?

This exemplifies the point that the gun peddler did not care whether the murderess was stable, or distraught.

How do you know the other party was a 'gun peddler'? I've sold a gun. I'm no peddler and the dude had one of those lazy eyes.

No one tests for mental stability when selling a knife. Car. Bow and arrows. Plane tickets. Medical degrees.

You could probably make the case that if this gun peddler woulld not have sold the gun to McNair's mistress, she would not have had a gun to carry out the fatal crime (even though she probably would have gotten a firearm from somewhere else).

Or some pills, or arsenic or a big rock. Hard to say what a pyscho would use, right? I mean when someone really wants to kill someone, especially in the fashion in which she did, it really doesn't matter to them how they do it.

And finally, you could say that is McNair wasn't involved in this melee he would have been alive,

Unless he got hit by a bus................Driven by a psycho gunpeddler.

the gun seller would probably have sold his wares to some other person to commit a murder.

Yep. All convicted felons strive to sell guns for the sole purpose of a murder/suicide. Brilliant sales strategy sure to keep them OUT of prison.

 

[Avaj]

OT- It is sad that he didn't have will

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Convicted felon. He isn't supposed to have guns. He sold 1 gun. That makes him a trafficker? The AP NEEDS you, PT..

Incredible ... you seem to have had something sarcastic to say about everything I said. Why? This had nothing to do with our two teams and all i was trying to do was give some honest observations. Is your hate that deep? Dude ...this is just a sports message board.

BTW ...when a person kills someone only 1 time does that make you a murderer; when you traffic drugs into the country only 1 time it's alright? I don;t intent to get into a spitting contest with you, because I know you get my point. The court systems NEEDS you Seven

PT

 

[Seven]

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I don't hate you PT...............

 

[burmafrd]

She would have used a knife if she had not been able to get a gun. She was clearly that far gone. Getting a gun made it easier for her but she would have done it anyway. PT is making the same mistake of blaming the gun for the act of the person pulling the trigger. Trying to deflect blame.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I don't hate you PT...............

... it just seemed that way is all. This was such a serious thread that I thought I could relax and post without the Eagle versus Cowboys rivalry hanging over the post.

PT

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

She would have used a knife if she had not been able to get a gun. She was clearly that far gone. Getting a gun made it easier for her but she would have done it anyway. .

Really?! I'm not certain if McNair was asleep or awake ...asleep, she may have had a better chance of accomplishing the deadly deed; awake, he would have had to be intoxicated to allow a petite woman overpower him with merely a knife. Heck, even asleep and wounded with a knife he may have been able to retaliate against a knife.

Being shot and stabbed a two very different things to render a person disabled.

PT is making the same mistake of blaming the gun for the act of the person pulling the trigger. Trying to deflect blame.

No sir ...that's absurd of you to infer the accusation without know what you're talking about burmafrd.

I was in charge of a military Armory for 3 years. I serviced and cleaned M-16 rifles, .38 Caliber revolvers, M-79 Grenande Launchers, M-60 Machine guns, grenades, various HE (just in case you didn't know, that stands for High Explosive) weapons, and ammunitions. I can field disassemble a weapon with my eyes closed and I'm an expert with two weapons. Heck, I own a 20 guage shot gun (a preditor).

Here's the point ...you couldn't be so far from being right burmafrd. A "gun" is just like a tool ...it's as safe or a dangerous as a screw driver or a hammer; it depends on who is using the tool. Look I'm not disgruntled at you, but I just think you should kow what you're talking about before you start slinging out

BTW ...most people who knows anything about guns would agree; regardless of whether they are a Cowboys, Eag;es or any other football related football franchise fan.

PT

 

[Seven]

... it just seemed that way is all. This was such a serious thread that I thought I could relax and post without the Eagle versus Cowboys rivalry hanging over the post.

PT

My response had nothing to do with our faith in football teams. Believe me you...............I had responded to your response with a vengence but stepped off my rant box and utilized the edit function. I sometimes get carried away due to I becom frustrated with the lack of knowledge concerning guns and the blame placed squarely at the feet of said weapon.


In the end my friend......................the gun is an inanimate object; inert and at the complete mercy of the user. Period. Another human being was eliminated, that is the tragedy. Doesn't matter how...............

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

My response had nothing to do with our faith in football teams. Believe me you...............I had responded to your response with a vengence but stepped off my rant box and utilized the edit function. I sometimes get carried away due to I becom frustrated with the lack of knowledge concerning guns and the blame placed squarely at the feet of said weapon.


In the end my friend ...Another human being was eliminated, that is the tragedy. Doesn't matter how...............

I Understand my friend; you're right.

PT

 

[burmafrd]

Actually PT I ahve been an ammunition Inspector for 24 years. I have also been at Aberdeen Proving Ground and am now at White Sands, and have been stationed in more then a few other places. I have forgotten more about AMMO and GUNS then you will ever know. An ARMORER is one of two things- he is either a cleaner of weapons or he actually does break them down and do it right. Frankly from the sound of you more likely just a cleaner. Your list of weapons was kind of interesting. If you were dealing with M79's then it was A LONG TIME AGO. Since they have not been in the military inventory for a long time. Now maybe it was national guard- or as I call them the dawn patrol of the boy scouts-and they might have had some around longer. Some MP units still have them for tossing riot control grenades. Does not really matter since I met a lot of unit armorers that could not find their rear end with both hands on the best day they ever had.You can whine and cry all you want but the gun was just a tool. And you really appear to know nothing about close up hand to hand if you dismiss a knife so easily. A knife can be very quick and very quiet depending on the ability and motivation of the person whose HAND ITS IN.
She could very easily cut his throat. Especially since the Police admitted it all happened while he was asleep. since you did not seem to notice that little detail anything else you have to say one can take with a grain of salt.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Actually PT I ahve been an ammunition Inspector for 24 years. I have also been at Aberdeen Proving Ground and am now at White Sands, and have been stationed in more then a few other places. I have forgotten more about AMMO and GUNS then you will ever know. An ARMORER is one of two things- he is either a cleaner of weapons or he actually does break them down and do it right. Frankly from the sound of you more likely just a cleaner. Your list of weapons was kind of interesting. If you were dealing with M79's then it was A LONG TIME AGO. Since they have not been in the military inventory for a long time. Now maybe it was national guard- or as I call them the dawn patrol of the boy scouts-and they might have had some around longer. Some MP units still have them for tossing riot control grenades. Does not really matter since I met a lot of unit armorers that could not find their rear end with both hands on the best day they ever had.You can whine and cry all you want but the gun was just a tool. And you really appear to know nothing about close up hand to hand if you dismiss a knife so easily. A knife can be very quick and very quiet depending on the ability and motivation of the person whose HAND ITS IN.
She could very easily cut his throat. Especially since the Police admitted it all happened while he was asleep. since you did not seem to notice that little detail anything else you have to say one can take with a grain of salt.

While we seemed to have both handled firearms and ammunition, you seem to want to insult my veracity. I don't doubt your expertise; if that's what you claim. Unlike you, I do not wish to minimize what you did in your field. Most personnel who handled munitions in the Air Force (I was a Staff Sergeant...at that time), worked Out of Explosive Ordinance Division. Since you mentioned
Aberdeen Proving Grounds, you sound Army or Army Guard/Reserves. It's all good ...one Nation, etc. If you think you are minimizing an Armorer by incenuating that all I did was clean weapons - you're sadly mistaking. I've cleaned more weapons than I can remember ...and I'm proud of every dayam firearm I cleaned. Because I knew when my armorers released a weapon to troops, that weapon would function like it was intended to. Something like an "outrigger" for paratroopers - when they grab their rig and go out for a jump, they trust the outrigger to properly pack that chute; and that when they pull the ripcord (an analogy for a trigger), that chute will open/operate as intended.

Speaking Of analogies, you seem to not know what they are when they smack you in the face. Listen, I was merely making the analogy (not the McNair case per se), that it is different and more complex to kill someone with a knife. Remember, I said I was an Armorer for a while ...I didn't say I was an Armorer for my "entire" military career!

That said, my ammunition inspector friend, when you place that rear site of your weapon between the front sight and squeeze the trigger as gently as a woman's body part (that's an analogy by the way); or whether you point and shhot a point-blank range, it's fast and easy and clean. But when you use a knife, it's slow, and personal ...in most cases you have to control the person to avoid any type of desperate attempts to retaliate (you may have taken me out, but I'm going to do my best to take you with me "mentality)." It's dirty buisness too - you get soiled with blood, slobber and sounds that will stay in your mind forever.

I don't think I will communicate with you much more in the future, because you should know that Veterans do things, and know things that the average civilian will Never understand (he!!, I don't understand some of the ..."stuff" myself). But what I can tell you is that I will NEVER challenge what you did.
This isn't a what I did was any less/more dignified than you did, because I am haunted by some of the things I did and will never be able to erase those things from my mind.

PS: I also cleaned, the XM 148, and the M-203 in addition to the M-79 - they all worked and did what they were designed to do with HE rounds.

BTW ...thank you for your service to our country.

PT

 

[tyke1doe]

While we seemed to have both handled firearms and ammunition, you seem to want to insult my veracity. I don't doubt your expertise; if that's what you claim. Unlike you, I do not wish to minimize what you did in your field. Most personnel who handled munitions in the Air Force (I was a Staff Sergeant...at that time), worked Out of Explosive Ordinance Division. Since you mentioned
Aberdeen Proving Grounds, you sound Army or Army Guard/Reserves. It's all good ...one Nation, etc. If you think you are minimizing an Armorer by incenuating that all I did was clean weapons - you're sadly mistaking. I've cleaned more weapons than I can remember ...and I'm proud of every dayam firearm I cleaned. Because I knew when my armorers released a weapon to troops, that weapon would function like it was intended to. Something like an "outrigger" for paratroopers - when they grab their rig and go out for a jump, they trust the outrigger to properly pack that chute; and that when they pull the ripcord (an analogy for a trigger), that chute will open/operate as intended.

Speaking Of analogies, you seem to not know what they are when they smack you in the face. Listen, I was merely making the analogy (not the McNair case per se), that it is different and more complex to kill someone with a knife. Remember, I said I was an Armorer for a while ...I didn't say I was an Armorer for my "entire" military career!

That said, my ammunition inspector friend, when you place that rear site of your weapon between the front sight and squeeze the trigger as gently as a woman's body part (that's an analogy by the way); or whether you point and shhot a point-blank range, it's fast and easy and clean. But when you use a knife, it's slow, and personal ...in most cases you have to control the person to avoid any type of desperate attempts to retaliate (you may have taken me out, but I'm going to do my best to take you with me "mentality)." It's dirty buisness too - you get soiled with blood, slobber and sounds that will stay in your mind forever.

I don't think I will communicate with you much more in the future, because you should know that Veterans do things, and know things that the average civilian will Never understand (he!!, I don't understand some of the ..."stuff" myself). But what I can tell you is that I will NEVER challenge what you did.
This isn't a what I did was any less/more dignified than you did, because I am haunted by some of the things I did and will never be able to erase those things from my mind.

PS: I also cleaned, the XM 148, and the M-203 in addition to the M-79 - they all worked and did what they were designed to do with HE rounds.

BTW ...thank you for your service to our country.

PT

Wow. This was a very good post.

And I agree with you about the knife vs. gun argument.

In fact, when I heard McNair was shot and heard he was on the sofa, I immediately said, "He was either drugged or asleep."

I'm not a weapons guy, but I have been in enough court rooms and covered enough murder trials to understand that killing by knife and killing by firearm are two seprate issues in terms of forensics. People stabbed almost always have defensive wounds, especially if they're trying to fight back. Guns, not so much.

This woman would have had to stab McNair and then plunge the weapon into his body to execute a fatal stab. And I can't imagine McNair not waking up (unless he was drugged) and fighting back somehow - given his size and her size.

I support the Second Amendment, but I don't think we have to go overboard in our arguments based on some sense of duty/obligation to protect it.