Apple is now the most valuable US company of all time

[kapolani]

Apple miss its last earnings and now it's expected to go up 33%?

Missed by the Street's standard. Still beat their guidance. Still made money. Now it's trading at ATH.

Apple went from $572 to $672 is less than 30 days.

 

[kapolani]

I always say this during these threads: I enjoy being able to fully customize my phone. I love it. Thats why I go for Androids. I love that there is such a huge market that there is an Android phone for everybody. That said, I can see why people like Iphone's as well. I don't think I'll ever buy one, but I can understand what people like about it.

I customized my iPhone. I changed themes rather frequently. It all can be done.

Jailbreaking the iPhone is akin to 'Rooting' an Android device. Agreed that IOS isn't as 'open' as Android, but I never noticed it to degrade my experience at all.

I could do everything that my Galaxy Nexus is doing right now. It goes without saying that my Nexus doesn't integrate as well with Mac OSX, but there are some decent work arounds.

 

[JBond]

just goes to show you how shallow our world is today

Everything apple sells is mostly a toy.


What computers actually run most businesses?

What computer software system is the primary one world wide?

those should be much more valuable then toys

I am sure all the Chinese peasants that build those toys are very proud.

I am happy for Apple I guess, I just wish the most valuable company in the world would build something more substantial than toys. Seems fitting for the age we live in.

 

[TheCount]

I am sure all the Chinese peasants that build those toys are very proud.

I am happy for Apple I guess, I just wish the most valuable company in the world would build something more substantial than toys. Seems fitting for the age we live in.

:laugh2:

This "Apple only makes toys." thing is a new approach, or at least I've never seen it before.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I am sure all the Chinese peasants that build those toys are very proud.

I am happy for Apple I guess, I just wish the most valuable company in the world would build something more substantial than toys. Seems fitting for the age we live in.

They've tried. OSX Server and XServe RAID. They still offer OSX Server, but they already shelved XServe RAID. Funny thing is, you could do some good things with XServe RAID. I knew this web hosting start up that hosted only virtual machines that hosted all their VMs on an expensive NetApp appliance. They couldn't afford two of them, so they bought some XServe RAID boxes and set them up with CentOS and make them a replication partner for their NetApp so they had a secondary if something happen to the $35k NetApp.

Now, OSX Server is pointless unless you have nothing but Macs in your office. Even then it's really pointless as you could use replace it with Linux and it would be cheaper, faster, and better than anything that OSX Server could bring to the table. The only people who use OSX Server are Apple fanboys. Any real admin would know better. It's like taking a regular F150 truck off-roading when you could have driven a Jeep or Land Rover instead.

The one good thing Apple had that wasn't a toy, they discontinued.

 

[vta]

The one good thing Apple had that wasn't a toy, they discontinued.

What was that?

 

[YosemiteSam]

What was that?

It was their XServe RAID. They discontinued them back in early 2008.

 

[Rynie]

Apple needs to thank all the hipster-apple-fanboys for keeping them rich. Just saying.

 

[cowboyblue31]

I don't get it.

I have an Droid Razar -- LOVE IT! I have an Apple Ipad 2 -- LOVE IT!!

This fanboy stuff is just crazy.

I own an Xbox 360 -- Love it! Playstation 3 -- Love it! Nintendo Wii -- Love it!

Can't we all just get along?!?!

 

[theogt]

Apple needs to thank all the hipster-apple-fanboys for keeping them rich. Just saying.

Actually, what's been sustaining growth for Apple most recently is the widespread adoption by businesses.

 

[arglebargle]

Apple does interface well, and can really break new ground with their products (mouse, tablet, iTunes, iPhone). Even when they are just refining and popularizing previously available form factors. But they are way too locked down for me. Worse even than Microsoft, and that takes some doing.

Got a friend who uses iTunes and organizes his music collection in a way that's relevent to him. Every time iTunes updates, it breaks his organizational structure, resetting it to the iTunes Way. Because Apple knows better than you!

Despite their strength in audio production, I pretty much ignore them. If you don't want to do it Their Way(tm), you are better off passing.

The recent move by Apple to become patent trolls is also pretty worrying. Lets stifle innovation by abusing a broken system!

 

[Muhast]

I customized my iPhone. I changed themes rather frequently. It all can be done.

Jailbreaking the iPhone is akin to 'Rooting' an Android device. Agreed that IOS isn't as 'open' as Android, but I never noticed it to degrade my experience at all.

I could do everything that my Galaxy Nexus is doing right now. It goes without saying that my Nexus doesn't integrate as well with Mac OSX, but there are some decent work arounds.

Here is what I am referring to:

I had an HTC HD2(one of the best android phones of all time IMO) I was running Windows 7 and Android both on my phone simultaneously and I could boot into either one I wanted to use. Each time a new software update came out (ICS,gingerbread,w/e) I could download in onto that same phone. I was able to run a basically top of the line phone 2-3 years after the phone came out. I didn't need to keep buying new phones to get the latest software, my phone could already handle it. The fact that you can run so many operating systems, and download so many ROM's is great to me.

You can do it to some extent on Iphones, but not like you can with an Android( at least in my experience)

 

[Dallas]

I always say this during these threads: I enjoy being able to fully customize my phone. I love it. Thats why I go for Androids. I love that there is such a huge market that there is an Android phone for everybody. That said, I can see why people like Iphone's as well. I don't think I'll ever buy one, but I can understand what people like about it.

I am totally with you. I get why people are giddy w/ Apple, but I absolutely will not tolerate a closed platform system. It's like buying a Camery but you can only buy your gas and oil from Toyota, even though your neighbor has a full service gas station next door.

 

[vta]

I am totally with you. I get why people are giddy w/ Apple, but I absolutely will not tolerate a closed platform system. It's like buying a Camery but you can only buy your gas and oil from Toyota, even though your neighbor has a full service gas station next door.

It's not really that good an analogy. The computer is the means to an end and different people have different ends. In terms of work, be it using it as a typewriter on steroids or for art and music it's just as open as any other.

The only people that don't dig the Mac are those who's ends are the computer itself. No one buys a Mac to play with computer innards and the like, it's a tool to accomplish something else.

The phones and other ****, they're all toys no matter how you slice it.

 

[masomenos]

The phones and other ****, they're all toys no matter how you slice it.

Why do you say that?

 

[Dallas]

Why do you say that?

Yeah I didn't get the toys reference either. All I do is enterprise level work all day long and all my technicians and I all support iPhones-iPads-PC's-Android Tabs and phones.

I do not for 1second think this stuff is toy time, nor do my co-workers. We aren't going home and playing on these devices.

The amount of work they bring to our users is nothing like any so called "toy" available. They are some of the best tools ever made, which is what I hope vta meant.

There is a lot on the enterprise side of why we don't allow Apple desktops/laptops on the state WAN. It is because of auditing needs and kernel specific reporting that our security agent kits give us from the PC that Apple will not. There are no kits like this from CISCO for Apple that I am aware of. So for us it is strictly a job necessity and peace of mind.

That doesn't mean I don't like Apple. True I don't like how they operate and sue every tom on the planet for making a square monitor or case. I think that is silly nonsense. I do understand the ease of use for a home user and a graphics end user/designer. They have a place. For me it isn't on the desktop in an enterprise environment. There are just far to many options avail for PC's software wise that Apple just doesn't have the development for. Pretty much every category of software you can name, there are far better products avail for the PC than Apple, at least from my experience.

When I was with British Petroleum before coming to the state, all of BP migrated away and off of Macintosh to a more enterprise friendly standard of PC and PC software, mainly Microsoft. You can say what you want, but the stuff they put out now, just works. We also are a very large linux shop, and those open source OS's are all over our state data centers. Linux for us is the wave we are riding atm. That and virtual data center blade stacks.

I can't do that on an Apple or anything Apple.

For a home user like you or anyone in this thread. Apple is great. It's neat and its easy and its cute and friendly. It's like your very own Hello Kitty doll.

Just not "my" thing.

 

[masomenos]

Yeah I didn't get the toys reference either. All I do is enterprise level work all day long and all my technicians and I all support iPhones-iPads-PC's-Android Tabs and phones.

I do not for 1second think this stuff is toy time, nor do my co-workers. We aren't going home and playing on these devices.

The amount of work they bring to our users is nothing like any so called "toy" available. They are some of the best tools ever made, which is what I hope vta meant.

There is a lot on the enterprise side of why we don't allow Apple desktops/laptops on the state WAN. It is because of auditing needs and kernel specific reporting that our security agent kits give us from the PC that Apple will not. There are no kits like this from CISCO for Apple that I am aware of. So for us it is strictly a job necessity and peace of mind.

That doesn't mean I don't like Apple. True I don't like how they operate and sue every tom on the planet for making a square monitor or case. I think that is silly nonsense. I do understand the ease of use for a home user and a graphics end user/designer. They have a place. For me it isn't on the desktop in an enterprise environment. There are just far to many options avail for PC's software wise that Apple just doesn't have the development for. Pretty much every category of software you can name, there are far better products avail for the PC than Apple, at least from my experience.

When I was with British Petroleum before coming to the state, all of BP migrated away and off of Macintosh to a more enterprise friendly standard of PC and PC software, mainly Microsoft. You can say what you want, but the stuff they put out now, just works. We also are a very large linux shop, and those open source OS's are all over our state data centers. Linux for us is the wave we are riding atm. That and virtual data center blade stacks.

I can't do that on an Apple or anything Apple.

For a home user like you or anyone in this thread. Apple is great. It's neat and its easy and its cute and friendly. It's like your very own Hello Kitty doll.

Just not "my" thing.

I'm going to ignore all of the server-kernel-WAN talk, not because I want too but because it's meaningless to me. However, that said, I agree that Apple fills a different market than MS, Linux, and Android. That's fine. If Apple's products don't fit you needs then use something else.

I just don't understand the "toy" designation. Even if you classify the iPad purely as a consumption device, I don't think it can be described as a toy. Books are consumption devices. Newspapers are consumption devices. Radios are consumption devices. TVs are consumption devices. The thing about consumption devices is that they encourage the production of content and they spreading of content.

Just because you can play AngryBirds on something, that doesn't make it a toy.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

Yeah I didn't get the toys reference either. All I do is enterprise level work all day long and all my technicians and I all support iPhones-iPads-PC's-Android Tabs and phones.

I do not for 1second think this stuff is toy time, nor do my co-workers. We aren't going home and playing on these devices.

The amount of work they bring to our users is nothing like any so called "toy" available. They are some of the best tools ever made, which is what I hope vta meant.

There is a lot on the enterprise side of why we don't allow Apple desktops/laptops on the state WAN. It is because of auditing needs and kernel specific reporting that our security agent kits give us from the PC that Apple will not. There are no kits like this from CISCO for Apple that I am aware of. So for us it is strictly a job necessity and peace of mind.

That doesn't mean I don't like Apple. True I don't like how they operate and sue every tom on the planet for making a square monitor or case. I think that is silly nonsense. I do understand the ease of use for a home user and a graphics end user/designer. They have a place. For me it isn't on the desktop in an enterprise environment. There are just far to many options avail for PC's software wise that Apple just doesn't have the development for. Pretty much every category of software you can name, there are far better products avail for the PC than Apple, at least from my experience.

When I was with British Petroleum before coming to the state, all of BP migrated away and off of Macintosh to a more enterprise friendly standard of PC and PC software, mainly Microsoft. You can say what you want, but the stuff they put out now, just works. We also are a very large linux shop, and those open source OS's are all over our state data centers. Linux for us is the wave we are riding atm. That and virtual data center blade stacks.

I can't do that on an Apple or anything Apple.

For a home user like you or anyone in this thread. Apple is great. It's neat and its easy and its cute and friendly. It's like your very own Hello Kitty doll.

Just not "my" thing.

Wow, could one post ever have contradicted itself more? It's not a toy, but it Hello Kitty? Sure, Ok.

 

[TheCount]

If Apple's products don't fit you needs then use something else.

Winner, Winner. Chicken dinner.

The Mac vs PC debate is beyond asinine. Use what works for you and shut the hell up already. :laugh2:

 

[vta]

Why do you say that?

Because for the most part, they're not huge sellers due to business, but average consumers who spend more time yapping, texting, gaming and watching movies than actual business usage. If these devices were primarily business devices the market would be much smaller. I work for a very large corporation and yes I see people look away from their actual work to goof off on the iPhones and Pads.

It's basically proven by how Apple now treats their towers, which are primarily business machines. You can't carry a tower around and the sales of towers is not at all Apple's bread and butter any more. In fact they've pretty much ignored really upgrading the Mac Pro's because they've started focusing on consumer goods.