Are Airlines intentionally Defrauding Customers?

[triplets_93]

"Roughly 35,000 flights have been canceled since Friday, repeating Memorial Day’s mayhem. Though heat is a factor, experts say the crux of the issue is how the industry handled the billions of dollars they received in pandemic relief initially meant to ensure post-pandemic travel. Staffing shortages continue to fuel disruptions after thousands of employees left the industry. After the holiday weekend chaos, airlines are under pressure ahead of July 4th, when millions more are expected to fly."

"There's now a growing scrutiny around the industry's handling of the $$$Billions it received in pandemic relief. Money meant to insure the airlines were ready for post-pandemic travel."

 

[CouchCoach]

Well, I am just shocked.

You mean to tell me these companies, like the banks during the bail out, didn't used these funds as they were intended?

First place I would look? CEO and upper management bonuses.

 

[Runwildboys]

Well, I am just shocked.

You mean to tell me these companies, like the banks during the bail out, didn't used these funds as they were intended?

First place I would look? CEO and upper management bonuses.

I don't think they could get away with being quite that blatant, but they can probably just kick it on down the road for a few years, until nobody's looking. Either that, or use the money earmarked for relief, while not using profits to pay for the things they'd normally pay for, then paying themselves with the profit money.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Well when you just blindly start giving people money, they can do what they want with it. It's not fraudulence from the takers of this money, it's the ignorance of the givers... that's the problem. Should have put it in an escrow account and assigned an overseer. Dummies.

 

[dsturgeon]

The bigger scam is who is funding and fueling the planes that spray the skys, and they always run on time.

The last 3 days here, have been clear blue skys. I do not remember the last time I have seen 2 clear days in a row, or a couple days with normal looking clouds.

 

[rags747]

Heat, Come on man…

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

The bigger scam is who is funding and fueling the planes that spray the skys, and they always run on time.

The last 3 days here, have been clear blue skys. I do not remember the last time I have seen 2 clear days in a row, or a couple days with normal looking clouds.

I'm surprised you even have Wi-Fi. Seems like you'd be paranoid of the government ease dropping.

 

[triplets_93]

I'm surprised you even have Wi-Fi. Seems like you'd be paranoid of the government ease dropping.

Not to mention the 5G Phone towers radiating their signals over you.
Although, near the airports, they may have had to cut back on the 5G power for now...

 

[dsturgeon]

I'm surprised you even have Wi-Fi. Seems like you'd be paranoid of the government ease dropping.

Have you not seen geoengineering happening?

It takes part of a day or all of a day, but you can sit and watch the planes spraying and the "clouds" forming. From blue skies to solid formless off colored clouds. I have been watching for about 7 years, and it is not paranoia. I am guessing we are paying for that jet fuel and plane maintenance out of taxes.

I have not personally done testing, but people have collected rain water and had it tested. It is aluminum and barium. I believe gates was talking about using chalk, but I dont know if that has been done. If I remember right harvards "solar shield" project was barium and aluminum.

I do like using ethernet connection over wifi

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Heat, Come on man…

Yeah, total BS. If heat was a major factor, we'd never be able to fly into places like Kuwait where the temps regularly hit past 110F.

This is just like their excuse for all of the cancellations several months ago to cover for the fact that employees left in droves over the vaccine mandates.

 

[nightrain]

The pilots demand to work remote. Parachutes for all.

 

[terra]

The pilots demand to work remote. Parachutes for all.

make mine a paracommander or something like that. Those iron canopies will break a healthy persons ankles; imagine what it would do to all those fatso's that are everywhere now?

 

[DFWJC]

Our tax dollars at work

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah, total BS. If heat was a major factor, we'd never be able to fly into places like Kuwait where the temps regularly hit past 110F.

This is just like their excuse for all of the cancellations several months ago to cover for the fact that employees left in droves over the vaccine mandates.

 

[Miller]

Yeah, total BS. If heat was a major factor, we'd never be able to fly into places like Kuwait where the temps regularly hit past 110F.

This is just like their excuse for all of the cancellations several months ago to cover for the fact that employees left in droves over the vaccine mandates.

Not true. My BIL is the CEO of one of the major airlines and like 99% of the people went with the mandates etc. The issue is straight out pilot shortages and working with their unions.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Not true. My BIL is the CEO of one of the major airlines and like 99% of the people went with the mandates etc. The issue is straight out pilot shortages and working with their unions.

- Early October (7th?) 2021 Southwest announced that they were enforcing a vaccine mandate for their employees and the very next day they had to start cancelling thousands of flights.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/11/1045023145/southwest-airlines-flight-cancellations-delays

- Oct 13th. Even though anyone with common sense could see that the cancellations were due to the vaccine mandate, Southwest airlines blamed it all on "Weather and Air Traffic issues" (that didn't seem to affect any other airline's flights out of those airports....)
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/southwest-statement-regarding-recent-operational-disruptions

Yeah, BS. That was a massive "sick-out" from their employees to send a message of non-compliance. And it worked..


-21 October. Southwest stood their ground for as long as they could but profits/shareholders are a helluva thing, don'tcha know?
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...navirus-southwest-airlines-vaccine-leave.aspx


Tell your BIL he is either full of crap or just plain stupid. And tell'em RJ said so..

 

[Rockport]

"Roughly 35,000 flights have been canceled since Friday, repeating Memorial Day’s mayhem. Though heat is a factor, experts say the crux of the issue is how the industry handled the billions of dollars they received in pandemic relief initially meant to ensure post-pandemic travel. Staffing shortages continue to fuel disruptions after thousands of employees left the industry. After the holiday weekend chaos, airlines are under pressure ahead of July 4th, when millions more are expected to fly."

"There's now a growing scrutiny around the industry's handling of the $$$Billions it received in pandemic relief. Money meant to insure the airlines were ready for post-pandemic travel."

All of corporate America is defrauding Americans.

 

[Miller]

- Early October (7th?) 2021 Southwest announced that they were enforcing a vaccine mandate for their employees and the very next day they had to start cancelling thousands of flights.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/11/1045023145/southwest-airlines-flight-cancellations-delays

- Oct 13th. Even though anyone with common sense could see that the cancellations were due to the vaccine mandate, Southwest airlines blamed it all on "Weather and Air Traffic issues" (that didn't seem to affect any other airline's flights out of those airports....)
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/southwest-statement-regarding-recent-operational-disruptions

Yeah, BS. That was a massive "sick-out" from their employees to send a message of non-compliance. And it worked..


-21 October. Southwest stood their ground for as long as they could but profits/shareholders are a helluva thing, don'tcha know?
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...navirus-southwest-airlines-vaccine-leave.aspx


Tell your BIL he is either full of crap or just plain stupid. And tell'em RJ said so..

My BIL is literally one of the smartest business leaders in the country and his airline is doing great. They did not have that issue. You throwing out garbage toward him on a Cowboy message board doesn’t change that. My wife was also in corporate at one for 15 yrs. You also are only mentioning Southwest..who sucks snd has been going downhill. But I’ll let him know your unhappy. He’s heard worse

 

[RJ_MacReady]

My BIL is literally one of the smartest business leaders in the country and his airline is doing great. They did not have that issue. You throwing out garbage on a Cowboy message board doesn’t change that.

So the anecdotal evidence from your beloved BIL is all you got? I offered up articles and a Company statement to support my claim and you doubled-down about some person I, no offense, don't even know exists?

You don’t know Jack squat about the airlines or how they function. My wife was also in corporate at one for 15 yrs. All I hear here is useless drivel.

Why ya' mad?
And why are you measuring D's now with yet another family member? You think that's supposed to win you this dumb argument that you're hell-bent on winning?
I've worked on the flightline or in Air Operations Centers/HQ's for 25 years, bud. My Brother has done the same for 30 years. My Father worked for American Airlines (in Fort Worth) for 20+ years until he passed on, and was also a flier in the US Navy (VR-59 in Dallas).
And you know what?
NONE OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS REQUIRED TO SEE THE OBVIOUS!
Even someone who's never worked around aircraft can figure out that the cancellations of the Southwest flights were due to the Vaccine Mandate rollout, not some weather/air traffic anomaly that didn't affect anyone else at the various airports.

The excuses SOUTHWEST made for all of those flights cancelling is BS and I think I proved that.

You also are only mentioning Southwest..who sucks snd has been going downhill

Because they were the only Airlines that rolled out those vaccine mandates last fall and got smacked.



What else you got?

 

[Miller]

So the anecdotal evidence from your beloved BIL is all you got? I offered up articles and a Company statement to support my claim and you doubled-down about some person I, no offense, don't even know exists?



Why ya' mad?
And why are you measuring D's now with yet another family member? You think that's supposed to win you this dumb argument that you're hell-bent on winning?
I've worked on the flightline or in Air Operations Centers/HQ's for 25 years, bud. My Brother has done the same for 30 years. My Father worked for American Airlines (in Fort Worth) for 20+ years until he passed on, and was also a flier in the US Navy (VR-59 in Dallas).
And you know what?
NONE OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS REQUIRED TO SEE THE OBVIOUS!
Even someone who's never worked around aircraft can figure out that the cancellations of the Southwest flights were due to the Vaccine Mandate rollout, not some weather/air traffic anomaly that didn't affect anyone else at the various airports.

The excuses SOUTHWEST made for all of those flights cancelling is BS and I think I proved that.


Because they were the only Airlines that rolled out those vaccine mandates last fall and got smacked.



What else you got?

Sorry I have a hard time following senseless babbling. That may be one of the worst posts I’ve seen or tried to follow. My BIL is not with Southwest. They also rolled out mandates and got great response from employees and the unions. Just saying I probably hear more legit airline news than you try and pretend to know. Not sure why you are so intense about it. Bizarre really. There really are pilot shortages and many of the airlines are trying various methods to recruit snd train. I just have a pretty normal response.