Are Newman and Henry shutdown corners???

[dcjules]

While most of us, even media types, hail T-New as a shut down guy and view Henry as a above-avg DB, why is it that we dont employ them as aggressive man on man guys.....stop dropping Roy and whoever at FS to help, utilize Roy more in blitzes etc....we pay alot of $$$ to these 2 guys, let them take the lead and step up....Are Sheppard and Brown of the Eagles so much better?? Birds get aggressive...its about a defensive scheme, something we obviously dont have...or is it that they arent that good????

 

[Yeagermeister]

No cb can cover for 8-10 seconds like we force ours to do. The Eagles can do it because their DC knows how to blitz.

 

[Rampage]

there is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore

 

[BulletBob]

While most of us, even media types, hail T-New as a shut down guy and view Henry as a above-avg DB, why is it that we dont employ them as aggressive man on man guys.....stop dropping Roy and whoever at FS to help, utilize Roy more in blitzes etc....we pay alot of $$$ to these 2 guys, let them take the lead and step up....Are Sheppard and Brown of the Eagles so much better?? Birds get aggressive...its about a defensive scheme, something we obviously dont have...or is it that they arent that good????

They do play man-to-man sometimes. However, this is a stop-the-run-first defense, and scrambling QBs terrify Parcells. For that reason, he doesn't want his corners flying upfield with their backs to the action.

 

[wileedog]

They do play man-to-man sometimes. However, this is a stop-the-run-first defense, and scrambling QBs terrify Parcells. For that reason, he doesn't want his corners flying upfield with their backs to the action.

Actually the most man to man we've played this year was against Vick, although Bill compensated by spying him with Carpenter.

 

[Chuck 54]

Newman is the closest thing to a shutdown corner you'll find in the NFC... though he still seldom plays the ball well, he covers guys very closely.

Henry is a good 2nd corner, but he is NOT a great cover corner.

 

[TexasAce]

there is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore

Took the words right out of my mouth.

The shutdown corner died in 1999...Deion Sanders last good year.

 

[theogt]

Actually the most man to man we've played this year was against Vick, although Bill compensated by spying him with Carpenter.

This is a common misconception. Carpenter didn't spy him that much, really. I mean, he couldn't since he only played one and half quarters. Even when he was in the game he wasn't spying him every play.

 

[conner01]

no such thing. but newman is very good and henry is well above avg.

 

[wileedog]

This is a common misconception. Carpenter didn't spy him that much, really. I mean, he couldn't since he only played one and half quarters. Even when he was in the game he wasn't spying him every play.

Ah, Ok. Didn't see the game, was just going by what I read.

That'll learn me... :

 

[theogt]

Ah, Ok. Didn't see the game, was just going by what I read.

That'll learn me... :

There were certainly a lot of people saying it. I believe there was even an article on it. I think people were ready to crown Carpenter after he had 1.5 sacks. He didn't play much in that game and got a "coverage sack" when Vick rolled out and I believe the other .5 sack was when Ware was on the other side pressuring Vick.

 

[superpunk]

there is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore

The commentators always say it, so it must be true. I'm just shocked you didn't follow this with "Champ Bailey is the closest thing in the NFL toa shut down corner." Because that's the wonderful cliche that's been adopted.

And frankly, it's crap. It's not like Deion never got housed by Irvin and others that he just couldn't hang with. Sheldon Brown, and Terrence Newman are two who recently have played shut-down football. Leigh Bodden from Cleveland is having a phenomenal year. Pac-man Jones is another.

No such thing as a shut down corner is a lazy statement that is just regurgitated over and over again. Just because you don't notice them, and the announcers are just as lazy, doesn't make it true.

 

[dcjules]

sorry for using shutdown corner....what I meant was our these guys good enough to handle one on one coverage for us to blitz??? top draft pick and high salary FA pick up, let them do their job, defend the wr.....I know even the "great Champ Bailey" (who every media guys loves) can't cover for 8-10 sdconds, I understand our lack of a pass rush hurts....which makes me wonder what is it...

Average corners who make us afraid to all out blitz??

Weak pass rushers that make us force help to our db's??

Or Zimmer's fault?? He scheme sucks, non aggressive and creative.....

 

[theogt]

The commentators always say it, so it must be true. I'm just shocked you didn't follow this with "Champ Bailey is the closest thing in the NFL toa shut down corner." Because that's the wonderful cliche that's been adopted.

And frankly, it's crap. It's not like Deion never got housed by Irvin and others that he just couldn't hang with. Sheldon Brown, and Terrence Newman are two who recently have played shut-down football. Leigh Bodden from Cleveland is having a phenomenal year. Pac-man Jones is another.

No such thing as a shut down corner is a lazy statement that is just regurgitated over and over again. Just because you don't notice them, and the announcers are just as lazy, doesn't make it true.

:laugh2:

Gotta love these football cliches.

 

[wileedog]

sorry for using shutdown corner....what I meant was our these guys good enough to handle one on one coverage for us to blitz??? .

The problem is not the corners its the safeties. And the LBers covering the checkdowns.

Well, that and the fact that we can't blitz to save our lives.

 

[theogt]

The problem is not the corners its the safeties. And the LBers covering the checkdowns.

Well, that and the fact that we can't blitz to save our lives.

And no pressure, forcing a slow arse Henry to cover for more then 3-4 seconds.

 

[superpunk]

sorry for using shutdown corner....what I meant was our these guys good enough to handle one on one coverage for us to blitz??? top draft pick and high salary FA pick up, let them do their job, defend the wr.....I know even the "great Champ Bailey" (who every media guys loves) can't cover for 8-10 sdconds, I understand our lack of a pass rush hurts....which makes me wonder what is it...

Average corners who make us afraid to all out blitz??

Weak pass rushers that make us force help to our db's??

Or Zimmer's fault?? He scheme sucks, non aggressive and creative.....

Twice this year we have matched NEwman up and had him shadow a WR - twice that I know of. Carolina and Washington. Observe Smith and Moss's production. Now I don't trust Henry, and especially not with the knee, but certainly Newman is capable, and Glenn in spots.

But you don't go into a game either manning up or zone exclusively. It's a mixture. When we do man up, I have confidence. Henry's pick last week came in man coverage. Fortunately the small push we got kept Garcia from seeing Stallworth until Henry recovered, but it is what it is.

 

[the kid 05]

there is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore

not accordin to Dhall.

and the closests corner out of newman to do it is Champ, but even he lets a few get by once and a while

 

[jem88]

The commentators always say it, so it must be true. I'm just shocked you didn't follow this with "Champ Bailey is the closest thing in the NFL toa shut down corner." Because that's the wonderful cliche that's been adopted.

And frankly, it's crap. It's not like Deion never got housed by Irvin and others that he just couldn't hang with. Sheldon Brown, and Terrence Newman are two who recently have played shut-down football. Leigh Bodden from Cleveland is having a phenomenal year. Pac-man Jones is another.

No such thing as a shut down corner is a lazy statement that is just regurgitated over and over again. Just because you don't notice them, and the announcers are just as lazy, doesn't make it true.

That was beautifully stated.

 

[ravidubey]

The commentators always say it, so it must be true. I'm just shocked you didn't follow this with "Champ Bailey is the closest thing in the NFL toa shut down corner." Because that's the wonderful cliche that's been adopted.

And frankly, it's crap. It's not like Deion never got housed by Irvin and others that he just couldn't hang with. Sheldon Brown, and Terrence Newman are two who recently have played shut-down football. Leigh Bodden from Cleveland is having a phenomenal year. Pac-man Jones is another.

No such thing as a shut down corner is a lazy statement that is just regurgitated over and over again. Just because you don't notice them, and the announcers are just as lazy, doesn't make it true.

They invented the term "shut down corner" to describe Deion Sanders; the term didn't even exist before then.

If you're talking about a guy who covers so well that no one throws at him that's Terence Newman. If you're talking about a guy who intimidates QBs so much they avoid him altogether then you're talking Champ Bailey.

Different skillsets similar results. Bailey is the best in the league, and he still gets burned. "Shut Down", as in 0 catches against all the time, is an impossible standard.