Are the 3 stud O lineman suddenly not performing?

[stinkface]

I think most think that Collins, Martin and Smith are studs in both run and pass blocking, but are they? Have all three underperformed this year in all areas? I expect those 3 to blow people off the ball in the run game and to pass protect as well as any in the league and the reality is they haven't been consistent and it has hurt the team without a doubt. Is it injuries or getting up there in age or a combination of both. I know we blame Zeke for the running game woes for the most part, but it seems like both he and Pollard are getting hammered before they really get going.

FWIW, I think we have horrible blocking TE's and that sure doesn't help when you need to hold the edge. Schultz is a fine pass catching TE, but he for sure can't hold the edge and goodness forbid if you want him to blow someone (anyone) off the ball he's not up to the task.

Curious if other are seeing the same thing or are these old eyes seeing a shell of what these 3 used to be this season.

 

[glimmerman]

They are fine. It’s coaching. They are undisciplined. They are falling back like pass blocking on every play. No push on run blocks. Did it seem that way last year or the year before. Last year was hard because without Dak they lined up and came after dalton..

 

[gimmesix]

Smith has had some struggles since his last injury.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Smith and Baidasz are in the top 10 for their position in run block win rate.

Dallas, total line, is ranked #7 for run-block (and ranked #23 for pass block)

 

[Miguelitomama]

This line certainly underperformed on Sunday, no running lanes and no protection for Dak. Some of the blame lies on the coach, who never found a way to adjust to the Cardinals 5-man front.

 

[Captain-Crash]

it sure isn't dak sucking that is making them look bad.

 

[Swagger]

Of course Zeke deserves some criticism but there haven't exactly been a load of running lanes against any relatively good teams over the past 6-7 games. Last week I watched the Colts play the Cardinals with their back up offensive line. They were only able to run for around 3 yards a carry apart from JT running for around 48 yards very early on. If the line is unable to block for the runners then even JT gets bottled up.

 

[BubbaGump]

This guy right here is a big part of the problem.

Can't fix the link. 63 is horrible. Anytime someone lines up over him they end up right in Dak's face.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Smith and Baidasz are in the top 10 for their position in run block win rate.

Dallas, total line, is ranked #7 for run-block (and ranked #23 for pass block)

Also, Pollard needs more snaps:

 

[doomsday9084]

So . . . we going to continue to pretend that Pollard doesn't average 5.5 yards per carry?

 

[CapnCook]

4th overall. 9 for16.

 

[FVSTONE]

I think most think that Collins, Martin and Smith are studs in both run and pass blocking, but are they? Have all three underperformed this year in all areas? I expect those 3 to blow people off the ball in the run game and to pass protect as well as any in the league and the reality is they haven't been consistent and it has hurt the team without a doubt. Is it injuries or getting up there in age or a combination of both. I know we blame Zeke for the running game woes for the most part, but it seems like both he and Pollard are getting hammered before they really get going.

FWIW, I think we have horrible blocking TE's and that sure doesn't help when you need to hold the edge. Schultz is a fine pass catching TE, but he for sure can't hold the edge and goodness forbid if you want him to blow someone (anyone) off the ball he's not up to the task.

Curious if other are seeing the same thing or are these old eyes seeing a shell of what these 3 used to be this season.

Asking the TEs to block is ridiculous because they seem to get out played every time. As for the O-Line, it's time to leave Steele in for Smith who has been injured too often this year and appears to be struggling in his blocking assignments with all his lower leg injuries.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Smith and Baidasz are in the top 10 for their position in run block win rate.

Dallas, total line, is ranked #7 for run-block (and ranked #23 for pass block)

LOL. Those rankings are garbage. They’re getting manhandled.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think most think that Collins, Martin and Smith are studs in both run and pass blocking, but are they? Have all three underperformed this year in all areas? I expect those 3 to blow people off the ball in the run game and to pass protect as well as any in the league and the reality is they haven't been consistent and it has hurt the team without a doubt. Is it injuries or getting up there in age or a combination of both. I know we blame Zeke for the running game woes for the most part, but it seems like both he and Pollard are getting hammered before they really get going.

FWIW, I think we have horrible blocking TE's and that sure doesn't help when you need to hold the edge. Schultz is a fine pass catching TE, but he for sure can't hold the edge and goodness forbid if you want him to blow someone (anyone) off the ball he's not up to the task.

Curious if other are seeing the same thing or are these old eyes seeing a shell of what these 3 used to be this season.

You cant put Pollard in the same pathetic category as Zeke as he averages over a full ypc more over the season.

 

[McKDaddy]

Collins, Martin and Smith are studs in both run and pass blocking, but are they?

No, you are right to question it. Here is my take not only on this year but overall trend as regards run blocking.
Smith - hasn't been a real road grader in quite a while if ever. Getting low & just powering people off the line just isn't his strength. Now if he can get on the move and then engage, he tends to put them on skates.
Collins - when he is right physically, he can be quite dominant. I have not seen that from him consistently this year. As in, I've seen him get good push some but mostly stalemated or beaten.
Martin - started the year looking like his early days. was manhandling folks. unfortunately, it ended and he reverted to what he has been the last couple years. a good player who can have dominant spurts but overall isn't making the other linemen look better like he did early in his career.

Combine that with two guys who are often taken advantage of and you have a below average line that is getting beaten week in & week out.

 

[terra]

You cant put Pollard in the same pathetic category as Zeke as he averages over a full ypc more over the season.

I bet you thought Troy Hambrick was going to be all pro as well

Seems like you would make that kind of BIG mistake....

 

[terra]

No, you are right to question it. Here is my take not only on this year but overall trend as regards run blocking.
Smith - hasn't been a real road grader in quite a while if ever. Getting low & just powering people off the line just isn't his strength. Now if he can get on the move and then engage, he tends to put them on skates.
Collins - when he is right physically, he can be quite dominant. I have not seen that from him consistently this year. As in, I've seen him get good push some but mostly stalemated or beaten.
Martin - started the year looking like his early days. was manhandling folks. unfortunately, it ended and he reverted to what he has been the last couple years. a good player who can have dominant spurts but overall isn't making the other linemen look better like he did early in his career.

Combine that with two guys who are often taken advantage of and you have a below average line that is getting beaten week in & week out.

Wow I don't know where to begin so I will not bother. Your so called analysis is a real joke.

 

[Captain-Crash]

would we even be questioning our offensive line if our QB wasn't scared and confused the whole game?

 

[lqmac1]

I think most think that Collins, Martin and Smith are studs in both run and pass blocking, but are they? Have all three underperformed this year in all areas? I expect those 3 to blow people off the ball in the run game and to pass protect as well as any in the league and the reality is they haven't been consistent and it has hurt the team without a doubt. Is it injuries or getting up there in age or a combination of both. I know we blame Zeke for the running game woes for the most part, but it seems like both he and Pollard are getting hammered before they really get going.

FWIW, I think we have horrible blocking TE's and that sure doesn't help when you need to hold the edge. Schultz is a fine pass catching TE, but he for sure can't hold the edge and goodness forbid if you want him to blow someone (anyone) off the ball he's not up to the task.

Curious if other are seeing the same thing or are these old eyes seeing a shell of what these 3 used to be this season.

I don’t think that’s the case for Martin. You never hear his name which is a good thing.

Smith didn’t have a good outing against Chandler, but I’m sure some of it was due to rust for sitting out the previous two games.

I think we need to go with Smith, Collins, Biadasz, Martin and Steal. I think that’d be an elite o line.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don’t think that’s the case for Martin. You never hear his name which is a good thing.

Smith didn’t have a good outing against Chandler, but I’m sure some of it was due to rust for sitting out the previous two games.

I think we need to go with Smith, Collins, Biadasz, Martin and Steal. I think that’d be an elite o line.

So you think Steel is better than Smith? Oh boy..............

I guess you missed the game where Steel played in place of Smith? They werent pretty.