Are the Texans REALLY This Good?

[Chocolate Lab]

So, why don't the players play for Wade then? Why do the players look so inept out there and unmotivated? Kubiak has been called a players coach, too, and his players PLAY for him. Doesn't look like the Cowboys players play for Wade.

lmao. Want to compare Wade's record the last three years to Kubiak's?

Besides far more wins, he has two division wins the last three years in the toughest division in football. The lousy Texans have never even made the playoffs.

Or did you forget that already?

 

[MegaMagick]

Texans are a good team, they always were. However that loss was more on the colts than it was the texans just dominating.

They lose one of the best safeties in the game, that offense looked out of sync with receivers dropping balls and not being on the same page with manning. I think opposing backs will run wild against them for most of the season, which is not good when you have MJD, CJ2k, and now Arian Foster in your division.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Texans are a good team, they always were. However that loss was more on the colts than it was the texans just dominating.

They lose one of the best safeties in the game, that offense looked out of sync with receivers dropping balls and not being on the same page with manning. I think opposing backs will run wild against them for most of the season, which is not good when you have MJD, CJ2k, and now Arian Foster in your division.

Everyone started making the Packers the front runner after they hung 59 points on the Colts in the preseason. Now Houston runs all over Indy this week and suddenly people are appointing them as a front runner in the AFC. The common denominator in both games has been the Colts. You would think that more people would start seeing that maybe the Colts defense just isn't very good.

 

[DallasGirl50]

Manning can beat anybody. Perhaps when they play in Indy the result will be different. Who knows?

I'm not a Texans fan just because I don't like any Houston teams (ok I pulled for the Astros in the WS and they totally bagged it) but the Texans do have a very nice offense which can score from anywhere. I don't like Kubiak as I said before but they could very well be in the playoffs this year.

I don't expect a Texans fan to give the Cowboys any props for anything anytime. I went to a board once of theirs and they were doing the silly "Tony Homo" and "Tony No Show" and all that crap. Just sling smack. So fine. Just don't come on here and say Kubiak is this great players coach and Wade isn't. That fact is Wade is TOO MUCH a players coach. He's not hard enough on them. That's the problem. And Garrett. But that's for another thread.

 

[mldardy]

No, the Texans are really not this good. They are a good team, but I don't expect them to play like they did in their first game. The season opening game sometimes is a poor indicator of how a team will play the entire season. In the Texans case, I think they have been preparing for this game as soon as the schedule was released. They wanted to win it at all costs. They had to win it. I expect them to play well all season, but that doesn't mean they will build such big leads every game and win them in the same fashion they did yesterday.

I am kind of line with you joseephus. The Texans seem like a team that will get off to a really hot start this year and then fade big team later in the season. Kind of like the Broncos last year. I just don't think that team will be able to handle success.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

lmao. Want to compare Wade's record the last three years to Kubiak's?

Besides far more wins, he has two division wins the last three years in the toughest division in football. The lousy Texans have never even made the playoffs.

Or did you forget that already?

The Texans overall weren't as talented as the Cowboys when Kubiak took the helm. Last year was the first year that you could say the talent had finally caught up with Dallas, and this year, I'd say the Texans have more talent. Wade had the luck of having Parcells build a good team before he got there. Who did Kubiak have? Dom Capers and Charlie freaking Casserly? Yeah.

 

[StylisticS]

The Texans overall weren't as talented as the Cowboys when Kubiak took the helm. Last year was the first year that you could say the talent had finally caught up with Dallas, and this year, I'd say the Texans have more talent. Wade had the luck of having Parcells build a good team before he got there. Who did Kubiak have? Dom Capers and Charlie freaking Casserly? Yeah.

You do NOT have more talent than the Cowboys.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

You do NOT have more talent than the Cowboys.

I think so. The Cowboys' talent is overrated because they are the Cowboys. I'd say Houston is better at RB (Arian Foster is better than all three Cowboys RBs and Houston still has Slaton this year and Ben Tate for next year), TEs (Owen Daniels and Witten is a wash, but Kubiak has drafted TEs out the ***), O-Line (this was quite apparent this past Sunday), and a better front seven (hardly blitzed and were still getting plenty of pressure and hits on Manning...Mario is finally healthy, along with DeMeco and Cushing coming back in three games. Not to mention Amobi Okoye is finally 23 and we signed a nice veteran in Adewale Ogunleye today). Cowboys have the better secondary. Both teams about equal at the QB and WR positions. Not to mention the Texans seem to be well coached this season.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Owen Daniels and Witten is a wash

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Prove it otherwise. Daniels' injury last year really hurt him. He was easily the best TE in the league before he went down. He's a first down machine and a serious matchup problem for the defense...like Dallas Clark.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Prove it otherwise. Daniels' injury last year really hurt him. He was easily the best TE in the league before he went down. He's a first down machine and a serious matchup problem for the defense...like Dallas Clark.

Burden of proof falls on you since you made the claim.

Have at it!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Actually, I have a better idea. I'm going to post two sets of stats, and anyone who is so inclined can tell me which player is better.

Player A
Year -- Rec -- Yards-- Avg --TDs
2006 -- 64 -- 754 -- 11.8 -- 1
2007 -- 96 -- 1,145 -- 11.9 -- 7
2008 -- 81 -- 952 -- 11.8 -- 4
2009 -- 94 -- 1,030 -- 11.0 -- 2

Player B
Year -- Rec -- Yards-- Avg --TDs
2006 -- 34 -- 352 -- 10.4 -- 5
2007 -- 63 -- 768 -- 12.2 -- 3
2008 http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/stats.nsf/Annual/2008-hou-- 70 -- 862 -- 12.3 -- 2
2009 -- 40 -- 519 -- 13.0 -- 5

 

[urface59]

Our front 7 is vastly superior.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Our front 7 is vastly superior.

Disagree. Mario Williams is probably the best all around DE in the league, Antonio Smith is pretty good also, Amobi Okoye is finally 23 years old and has grown into his body (drafted when he was 19), and the signing of Adewale Ogunleye (has had at least five sacks every year except for his rookie season) adds great depth. Then, Houston has one of the best LB duos in the league (and THE best stat wise last year) in Cushing and Ryans.

Actually, I have a better idea. I'm going to post two sets of stats, and anyone who is so inclined can tell me which player is better.

Player A
Year -- Rec -- Yards-- Avg --TDs
2006 -- 64 -- 754 -- 11.8 -- 1
2007 -- 96 -- 1,145 -- 11.9 -- 7
2008 -- 81 -- 952 -- 11.8 -- 4
2009 -- 94 -- 1,030 -- 11.0 -- 2

Player B
Year -- Rec -- Yards-- Avg --TDs
2006 -- 34 -- 352 -- 10.4 -- 5
2007 -- 63 -- 768 -- 12.2 -- 3
2008 -- 70 -- 862 -- 12.3 -- 2
2009 -- 40 -- 519 -- 13.0 -- 5

As if this tells the whole story. For example, Owen only played in eight games (and in the eighth game, he played one quarter) in 2009. Second, he had Carr as his QB during his first year. Then, during his second and third, it would switch between Schaub and Sage freaking Rosenfels. Witten has had the luxury of having the same QB from mid-2006 on, and was in a much better offense (until this year). Owen is quicker and more versatile than Witten. Witten is a VERY reliable TE in this league though (and damn tough, too). I wish Owen had not hurt his knee on that turf in Buffalo. He was on to have a 1100 yard and 10 TD season.

 

[mldardy]

I think so. The Cowboys' talent is overrated because they are the Cowboys. I'd say Houston is better at RB (Arian Foster is better than all three Cowboys RBs and Houston still has Slaton this year and Ben Tate for next year), TEs (Owen Daniels and Witten is a wash, but Kubiak has drafted TEs out the ***), O-Line (this was quite apparent this past Sunday), and a better front seven (hardly blitzed and were still getting plenty of pressure and hits on Manning...Mario is finally healthy, along with DeMeco and Cushing coming back in three games. Not to mention Amobi Okoye is finally 23 and we signed a nice veteran in Adewale Ogunleye today). Cowboys have the better secondary. Both teams about equal at the QB and WR positions. Not to mention the Texans seem to be well coached this season.

Man you are way off. Arian Foster has one great game and he is better than our running backs? Foster needs to put together a string of games not like he did on Sundaybecause he isn't going to run for 200 every game but if he shows consistency then I will give him credit. Until then I am not about to take a 1 game wonder over any of our running backs. Owen Daniels and Jason Witten are not even in the same league. Witten is probably bound for Canton and Daniels well let's just say he isn't. Daniels is a nice TE but he is not the best TE in the league. There are about 7-8 TE's that are better than him. If you believe your defense is better than the Cowboys then I don't know what you have been watching. Our defense especially the front 7 is top 5. The Texans maybe top 15 at best. It is amazing how 1 game brings out fans like this. Why don't you wait for the Texans to complete an entire season and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS before touting them as this amazing team with amazing talent.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

As if this tells the whole story. For example, Owen only played in eight games (and in the eighth game, he played one quarter) in 2009. Second, he had Carr as his QB during his first year. Then, during his second and third, it would switch between Schaub and Sage freaking Rosenfels. Witten has had the luxury of having the same QB from mid-2006 on, and was in a much better offense (until this year). Owen is quicker and more versatile than Witten. Witten is a VERY reliable TE in this league though (and damn tough, too). I wish Owen had not hurt his knee on that turf in Buffalo. He was on to have a 1100 yard and 10 TD season.

So, in essence, your entire argument is predicated on a hypothetical -- what Owen might have accomplished if circumstances were different.

Statistics may not tell the entire story, but they're considerably more reliable than wishful thinking, which is what forms the basis for your assessment.

 

[urface59]

Disagree. Mario Williams is probably the best all around DE in the league, Antonio Smith is pretty good also, Amobi Okoye is finally 23 years old and has grown into his body (drafted when he was 19), and the signing of Adewale Ogunleye (has had at least five sacks every year except for his rookie season) adds great depth. Then, Houston has one of the best LB duos in the league (and THE best stat wise last year) in Cushing and Ryans.

Since you guys run a 3-4 you gotta compare your DE's to our OLB's. Ware and Spencer owns Williams (who I admit is great) and Smith. We also have the best Nose tackle in the game and 2 of the best run stopping defensive ends. the only position on front 7 you have an advantage on is MLB.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Man you are way off. Arian Foster has one great game and he is better than our running backs? Foster needs to put together a string of games not like he did on Sundaybecause he isn't going to run for 200 every game but if he shows consistency then I will give him credit. Until then I am not about to take a 1 game wonder over any of our running backs.

Arian Foster has definitely had more than just one good game. And you just know when a RB is legit. Foster is legit. His cuts, speed, power, vision, balance, strength, etc. His cuts he makes in this zone blocking scheme is a thing of beauty.

Owen Daniels and Jason Witten are not even in the same league. Witten is probably bound for Canton and Daniels well let's just say he isn't. Daniels is a nice TE but he is not the best TE in the league. There are about 7-8 TE's that are better than him. If you believe your defense is better than the Cowboys then I don't know what you have been watching. Our defense especially the front 7 is top 5. The Texans maybe top 15 at best. It is amazing how 1 game brings out fans like this. Why don't you wait for the Texans to complete an entire season and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS before touting them as this amazing team with amazing talent.

Give Daniels more time. Witten has a three season lead on him. And I said he was playing like the best TE in the league last season before he got hurt. He had shown flashes his previous seasons (especially when Matt Schaub and Daniels were both healthy). Hopefully they both stay healthy for the entire season this year. But, name those TEs that are better than him.

As far as the defense go, when the Texans signed Pollard, they became a top ten rushing defense and good against the pass. They were the best at three and outs, too. This team showed flashes last year. They were just very immature. Hell, the oldest starter on both sides of the ball last season was Matt Schaub, and he was 28. They didn't have the proper mindset, and when stuff went wrong, the fell into a hole and died. Now, they fall down, but get right back up swinging. Started in the New England game last season. Kubiak has coached this team nicely this offseason, too.

So, in essence, your entire argument is predicated on a hypothetical -- what Owen might have accomplished if circumstances were different.

Statistics may not tell the entire story, but they're considerably more reliable than wishful thinking, which is what forms the basis for your assessment.

I see what you're saying, but I'm going by what I see on the field. Daniels is a first down machine. He is a very quick and elusive TE and gives the defense many matchup problems. He can almost be a WR. If he is 100% healthy like he is and can stay healthy this season, he'll strut his stuff with this explosive offense.

Since you guys run a 3-4 you gotta compare your DE's to our OLB's. Ware and Spencer owns Williams (who I admit is great) and Smith. We also have the best Nose tackle in the game and 2 of the best run stopping defensive ends. the only position on front 7 you have an advantage on is MLB.

Houston actually runs a 4-3. Mario Williams is finally healthy this season, and he is stout against the run and pass. Smith has been playing with a ton of passion, also. Amobi Okoye came into camp looking ripped and has grown into his body. If any of you watched the Texans against the Colts, you would see what I mean. Dude was beasting. Warren Sapp called him a younger version of me. As far as linebackers, I'd take Cushing and Ryans over any Cowboys LB duo. Though Ware is listed as an OLB, I can't help but only think of him as a DE playing that OLB position.

 

[urface59]

Bottom line: If your front seven was better than we probably wouldn't be the one with the number 2 overall defense last year.

 

[urface59]

Houston actually runs a 4-3.

my bad that's what I meant