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I think everyone on this board is disappointed today... I know I am. And it's hard to believe that this team has a shot to make it to the postseason. Part of me doesn't even want to talk about it.

Then again, a larger part of me is looking at the reality of the NFL and specifically the NFC today....

If you went and asked any of the so-called "prognosticators" what they thought about the Cowboys playoff chances, none (or very few) of them would say we're done. The experts are only now burying the defending champion Steelers, at 2-6. The consensus is they're officially done. But you ask anyone on this board, and probably 75% of them would say we're done.

We sit here at .500 half way through the season, and it's hard to imagine this team being consistent enough to make a run into the playoffs. However, the NFC as it stands right now is as follows:

Division Leaders:
Chicago 7-1
NYG 6-2
New Orleans 6-2
Seattle 4-3


Wild Card contenders:
Atlanta 5-3
then 5 teams tied at 4-4

So the 6th seed is right now 4-4. One of these teams, or someone with an even worse record, is going to get that last spot. And that's assuming Atlanta doesn't self-destruct, or Seattle, or even New Orleans.

Look I know it's hard for a lifelong Cowboys fan to look at the mediocrity and downright stupidity of the play of our team and think we have a shot, especially considering how spoiled most of us have been seeing some amazing teams here.

I think that's the main thing. Those of us who have seen our Super Bowl winning teams play saw dominant teams... teams that beat ALL the teams they were supposed to beat convincingly, and beat good teams regularly.

We haven't seen a team we were real confident in since the mid to late 90s. The league has changed since then. Even when we did make the playoffs in 2003, that team didn't hold a candle to our SB winning teams talent wise. That team also got an early exit, but for them to make the playoffs was out of the question that season IMO.

The reality of the league now, parity and mediocrity rule. ANY team has a shot... even a team that has to this point been mediocre and inconsistent. The playing field is also so leveled that a 6 seed has a chance to squeak in and once in, anything can happen. See the now 2-6 and recently buried Steelers...

Now I'm not expecting everyone to jump on the "We're going to the playoffs!" bandwagon. I'm not.... I'm going to take it one game at a time, and watch what happens in Dallas and around the league. IMO we just don't have enough information to make that final determination yet. If I were a betting man, I would be just as hesitant to bury this team though.
The team has talent -- some of the best in the conference -- and the league is set up now to favor teams that get hot at the right times.

Just my $.02, and {/pleaforcoolerheads} off
 

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In a word....Yes

We conceded to defeat when we decided to bench our leader on offense for the sake of Romo's development.

Even Jerry Jones said he has lowered his expectations for this season and felt Drew was the veteran we needed to lead this team.
 

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Done as a sneaky Super Bowl candidate? Yes. Done as a playoff team? No. Done if we lose to Arizona? Absolutely.
 

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StarAmongStars;1148415 said:
In a word....Yes

We conceded to defeat when we decided to bench our leader on offense for the sake of Romo's development.

Even Jerry Jones said he has lowered his expectations for this season and felt Drew was the veteran we needed to lead this team.
I stopped playing opposite day in 3rd grade, but I'll play along for today.

You, sir, are a brilliant NFL scout!!!
 

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I posted this in another thread. It's an analysis of the NFC playoff race by a 49ers fan on another NFL board. Regardless of whether you agree with him, it at least shows that a 9-7 record might be good enough to make the playoffs in the NFC this year.

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Man, this conference is just impossible to call. It's an absolute logjam with 13 teams still in with a legitimate chance (if you ignore the quality of their team). If Seattle loses tonight, then thats 9 teams all within a game of each other.

NFC Rankings

1. Chicago (7-1)
2. New Orleans (6-2)
3. NY Giants (6-2)
4. Seattle (4-3)
5. Atlanta (5-3)
6. Minnesota (4-4)
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7. St. Louis (4-4)
8. Philadelphia (4-4)
9. Carolina (4-4)
10. Dallas (4-4)
11. San Francisco (3-5)
12. Green Bay (3-5)
13. Washington (3-5)

OK those rankings may look a bit skew-wiffy because I’ve done them on the tiebreaker. Hence, Dallas is ranked below Carolina because Dallas is automatically out of the playoff hunt because Philadelphia currently owns the H2H, if the season ended today, thus putting Dallas in third place in the division. Minnesota has the best conference record of those 4-4 teams. New Orleans is ahead of the Giants in the seedings thus far because New Orleans is 4-0 against common opponents (TB, PHI, ATL), whereas the Giants are a mere 3-0. But they play each other later on this season so that’ll get cleared up as we go along.

We’ll start with the Bears, who should wrap up HFA throughout the playoffs fairly comfortably. That said, they have a brutal 3 game road trip coming up, going to the Meadowlands twice to play the Giants and Jets, before a trip to Foxboro. I’ll say they go 2-1 on the trip (losing to the Giants, winning an epic with the Pats and easily beating the Jets), before a straightforward final 5 games. I think they’ll win the first 4 before their second stringers lose to Brett Favre in his final match. They’ll wind up 13-3, and they’ll be in prime position.

There are some real logjams, with really 10 teams in with a decent shot at the playoffs (I put the 3-5 teams just for the sake of cheering myself up by listing the Niners in a playoff discussion). Of course, even those 3-5 teams are only one game back but there’s so many teams that they have to hop over, and of course, crucially, none of them are any good, so they’ll find it very hard.

The first logjam is the NFC East. We’ll start at the bottom with the Commanders, and they are simply not going to make the playoffs. Their schedule is absolutely brutal. The only losing team they face the Bucs at RayJay, not an easy game by any means. I’ll give them home wins against Atlanta and Philadelphia, and a possible send off win for Joe Gibbs in their last game against a Giants team that should be division champs by this points. They’ll go 6-10.

Next up are Dallas. I think they are in trouble as they suffered devastating division losses in the last few weeks, losing to Philly, the Giants, and then of course yesterday to Washington in heartbreaking fashion. They have a tough schedule. Their next game, and their final game, should be easy wins, as they go to Arizona and host Detroit. However, in between, I think they’re gonna lose to Indy at home, and at the Giants and at Atlanta. The home thanksgiving game against the Bucs will be tricky but they should have enough, which leaves two pivotal home games, against New Orleans in W14 thanks to a good defensive effort, and Philadelphia in W16. I’m gonna say they’ll win them both, but they will be very close games. That’ll leave Dallas at 9-7, with a 2-4 division record and a 7-5 conference record.

The Eagles have been brutal the last few weeks, blowing a winnable game against the Saints before a heartbreaking loss to the Bucs and an ugly loss to the Jaguars. That said, they should win their next two against Washington and Tennessee, before a likely loss at Indianapolis. However, December’s gonna kill them. It is a brutal run in, with a home game against the Panthers setting up a three consecutive road games, all within the division. I think they’ll lose all three. They finish up with Atlanta at home. Yikes. I’ll say they’ll stay alive against Carolina, but drop the last one to end the year with a four game losing streak and a 7-9 record that will knock them out of the playoffs.

The Giants should win the division, and if things go the way I’ve outlined, then they only need to split their remaining games to do so. But they’re decent and they’ll do better than that. I like them to go 5-3 down the stretch. I have them knocking off Chicago next week, before slumping to defeat against the Jags. We’ve already got them going 2-1 in their remaining division games, so lets look at their other two games, at Carolina and at home to the Saints. They’ll lose to a hungry Panthers squad, but they’ll beat the Saints in a key game that could decide who gets a first round bye. I have them winding up 11-5.

Lets next have a look at the mess out west, which is a straight fight between the Rams and the Seahawks. The Niners could wind up still only one game back if they win at Detroit next week (which I say they will) but they still suck, and they are a 6-10 team at best.

The Rams are slip-sliding down the standings, and have two critical road games coming up, at Seattle and at Carolina. They also have Chicago at home and a road trip to Minnesota on the slate, and frankly, I see them going 1-3 at best here (winning in the Metrodome to end the season). That leaves them SF, ARI, @OAK and WSH as their remaining games, although the 49ers and the Commanders could give them problems with their running games. Not too difficult though. I see them winning all of these games to finish up 9-7, with a conference record of 7-5. They should still be kept interested all the way to the end, but boy do they need to shore up their run defense.

The Seahawks need Matt Hasselbeck quickly. If they do get him back, they have a pretty easy run-in coming up, with Oakland, Green Bay and San Francisco going to Qwest, and road games against the Niners, Bucs and Cardinals. Well they’ll blow at least one of those games, because they aren’t that good and I say it’ll be at San Francisco in Hasselbeck’s return (a bit of ring rust, I think), and I see them resting the starters against the Bucs in a loss, but they’ll win the others and that’ll bump them up to 9 wins. I also have them beating San Diego at home in a tough game. They’ll lose to Denver but it won’t matter, and they’ll be 10-6, with an 8-4 conference record.

I’m gonna look at the North next. The Vikings are a strange one. Yesterday’s loss was devastating. With a win over the 49ers, they would have owned a 5-1 record in the Conference, and a 5-3 record overall, and I think they would have got in. Their remaining schedule is easy, with two games against Green Bay, trips to Arizona, Miami and Detroit and home games against the Jets and the Rams. They are all games where the Vikes could well be favoured. Yet a defeat next week at home to Green Bay and another stinkeroo from Brad Johnson will see calls for the introduction of Brooks Bollinger or Tarvaris Jackson, and neither of them look much use either. Still, their defense will keep them in plenty of games. I see losses at Green Bay and Chicago, and a likely win against Arizona. That’s a 5-6 record with the following games left, vs Green Bay (W10) @Miami (W11), @Detroit (W14), vs NY Jets (W15), vs St. Louis (W17). I say they beat Green Bay but lose to Miami before beating the Cards at home. That leaves them at 6-6 going into the Detroit game, which I think will be the killer. They will lose that one, before bouncing back to beat the Jets, before having it all ended with a loss at Lambeau in Week 16. They’ll wind up 7-9. But really, they could easily go 10-6 with that schedule, I just think their QB situation could be problematic. That 49ers loss was a killer.

The Packers won’t have a chance. They will lose their next three games at Minnesota, at home to New England, and at Seattle, and that’ll be them at 3-8 and, more to the point, done. But watch for a late season surge as Favre’s career winds down as they have 5 winnable games (if the Bears field their second string the finale).

The NFC South is what remains, and this is very tough to call. Again, we’ll start with the team with the worse record of the three, and that’s Carolina, who are at 4-4 after suffering a devastating loss to Dallas at home, a defeat that’s really jeopardised their playoff future. With Tampa Bay and St. Louis at home coming up next, I think that should be two wins, but the Rams game looks big. Then they have two tricky road games in the NFC East, going to Washington and Philadelphia. I say they split those before a big home against the Giants, which I have chalked up as a win. That will put them at 8-5 going into a tough stretch run. First up are the Steelers at home, a game that should be a win, but the Steelers should be much better than 2-6, and look set to play spoiler, IMO, especially if Big Ben is on the bench by this point. I see them blowing that game, putting them at 8-6 going into their final two games, road trips to Atlanta and New Orleans. Well…we’ll look at these a little bit later.

Atlanta is just so difficult to predict from week to week. This is the same team that dismantled Carolina in Charlotte, and won an epic game at Cincinnati, but also got destroyed by the Lions and hammered at home by an admittedly decent Giants team. You’ve got to think they’ll easily beat Cleveland at home, and probably lose at Baltimore, but would be honestly be surprised if the opposite happens? Whatever, they’ll split those two to go to 6-4 before a vital home game against New Orleans. I like them to win that one, but then they’ll follow it up with a stinker loss in Washington. A trip to RayJay is always one the Falcons struggle with, and I’ll predict the upset there as well, before a home win against Dallas. Like Carolina, they’ll be 8-6 going into their big week 16 showdown with the Panthers.

Now then, the Saints. Their next three home games look winnable, and I’ll say they beat Cincy, the 49ers and Washington in the dome. But, by contrast, they’ll lose away to Pittsburgh, Atlanta and Dallas. That’ll put them at 9-5 going into the last two weeks.

In week 16, Atlanta hosts Carolina and New Orleans takes on the Giants in New York. The Saints will lose to put them at 9-6, and I say Atlanta beats Carolina, as per usual, to also go 9-6, with the Panthers at 8-7.

In week 17, Atlanta will go to Philadelphia and win against a slumping Eagles squad, while the Saints will knock out the Panthers once and for all behind a jacked Superdome crowd. I just don’t like the way the Panthers inconsistency. They’ve just lost two bad ones and have a tough run in, and those last two will be the death of them. Meanwhile, New Orleans and Atlanta will finish at 10-6. They’ll both have a 4-2 division record, but Atlanta will have the edge on common opponents, with a 5-3 record against the NFC East/AFC North, compared to the Saints 4-4 record. That’ll hand Atlanta the NFC South, but they’ll be 4th seed due to Seattle having the Conference record tiebreaker (8-4 to 7-5).

Overall Standings

1. Chicago (13-3)
2. NY Giants (11-5)
3. Seattle (10-6)
4. Atlanta (10-6)
5. New Orleans (10-6)
6. Dallas (9-7)
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7. St. Louis (9-7)
8. Carolina (8-8)
9. Philadelphia (7-9)
10. Minnesota (7-9)

The Rams/Cowboys battle comes down to common opponents with both tied at 7-5 in conference record. They both beat the Lions, the Rams beat the Cards twice, while the Cowboys will beat them once, the Rams beat the Commanders while the Pokes split them, the Rams lost to the Panthers while the Pokes beat them. That means they are both 4-1 against common opponents. That means things go down to the strength of victory tiebreaker, which is point differential by any other name. The Cowboys already have a huge advantage so I’ll take them to nick that 6th spot. Tough break.

GAMES TO WATCH

Week 10
Green Bay at Minnesota
Chicago at NY Giants (SNF)
New Orleans at Pittsburgh

Week 11
Atlanta at Baltimore
St. Louis at Carolina
Cincinnati at New Orleans
Seattle at San Francisco
NY Giants at Jacksonville (MNF)

Week 12
Chicago at New England
New Orleans at Atlanta
Carolina at Washington

Week 13
Atlanta at Washington
Dallas at NY Giants
Carolina at Philadelphia (MNF)
Minnesota at Chicago

Week 14
Atlanta at Tampa Bay
Minnesota at Detroit
New Orleans at Dallas
NY Giants at Carolina
Chicago at St. Louis (MNF)

Week 15
Dallas at Atlanta (NFLN)
Philadelphia at NY Giants
NY Jets at Minnesota

Week 16
Minnesota at Green Bay (NFLN)
Carolina at Atlanta
New Orleans at NY Giants
Philadelphia at Dallas (NBC, Xmas Day)

Week 17
Atlanta at Philadelphia
Carolina at New Orleans
St. Louis at Minnesota

As with the AFC, Week 14 just looks delicious with some massive games on there, particularly NYG@CAR and NO@DAL. Some good nationally televised games lined up already with tons for NBC to choose from. The NFC is just wide open because of how mediocre it is, and it’s going to be agonising for those teams going down the stretch.
 

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theogt;1148423 said:
I stopped playing opposite day in 3rd grade, but I'll play along for today.

You, sir, are a brilliant NFL scout!!!


Come on, theogt...don't bite...

Let him go somewhere else and have his fun...

:cool:
 

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peplaw06;1148380 said:
I think everyone on this board is disappointed today... I know I am. And it's hard to believe that this team has a shot to make it to the postseason. Part of me doesn't even want to talk about it.

Then again, a larger part of me is looking at the reality of the NFL and specifically the NFC today....

If you went and asked any of the so-called "prognosticators" what they thought about the Cowboys playoff chances, none (or very few) of them would say we're done. The experts are only now burying the defending champion Steelers, at 2-6. The consensus is they're officially done. But you ask anyone on this board, and probably 75% of them would say we're done.

We sit here at .500 half way through the season, and it's hard to imagine this team being consistent enough to make a run into the playoffs. However, the NFC as it stands right now is as follows:

Division Leaders:
Chicago 7-1
NYG 6-2
New Orleans 6-2
Seattle 4-3


Wild Card contenders:
Atlanta 5-3
then 5 teams tied at 4-4

So the 6th seed is right now 4-4. One of these teams, or someone with an even worse record, is going to get that last spot. And that's assuming Atlanta doesn't self-destruct, or Seattle, or even New Orleans.

Look I know it's hard for a lifelong Cowboys fan to look at the mediocrity and downright stupidity of the play of our team and think we have a shot, especially considering how spoiled most of us have been seeing some amazing teams here.

I think that's the main thing. Those of us who have seen our Super Bowl winning teams play saw dominant teams... teams that beat ALL the teams they were supposed to beat convincingly, and beat good teams regularly.

We haven't seen a team we were real confident in since the mid to late 90s. The league has changed since then. Even when we did make the playoffs in 2003, that team didn't hold a candle to our SB winning teams talent wise. That team also got an early exit, but for them to make the playoffs was out of the question that season IMO.

The reality of the league now, parity and mediocrity rule. ANY team has a shot... even a team that has to this point been mediocre and inconsistent. The playing field is also so leveled that a 6 seed has a chance to squeak in and once in, anything can happen. See the now 2-6 and recently buried Steelers...

Now I'm not expecting everyone to jump on the "We're going to the playoffs!" bandwagon. I'm not.... I'm going to take it one game at a time, and watch what happens in Dallas and around the league. IMO we just don't have enough information to make that final determination yet. If I were a betting man, I would be just as hesitant to bury this team though.
The team has talent -- some of the best in the conference -- and the league is set up now to favor teams that get hot at the right times.

Just my $.02, and {/pleaforcoolerheads} off

One game at a time. Wow, who'dathunkit?
 

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i'm absolutely crushed by the defeat yesterday after the performance of romo and a few others..

i don't even want to think about what peyton manning is going to do to our pass defense. ~shudders~

we make entirely too many mistakes and penalties to be a serious contender in my opinion.

we lack fire,discipline, smarts etc. etc. that i say goes a hell of alot on

coaching as well as the players.

i'm just ready for the parcells era to be over..

the first year parcells was hired he taught and coached with emotion..

he has not done this since... the best thing he has done since then is to let romo takeover.

he's too old..
 

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peplaw06;1148380 said:
Just my $.02, and {/pleaforcoolerheads} off


Exactely...

To me, it's all about timing...and I mean how a football team, or any team for that matter, learns and trains for the SEASON and how to peak at just the right time...kinda like you don't start lifting before you warm up?

So, any team, if they learn how to train for the FOOTBALL season, or baseball, basketball, whatever ball...it's just a chess match from start to finish...and when to peak...

So, teams coming out hot at the start, might very well get worn out towards the end...where teams that struggle early while warming up, could come out hot towards the end of the season...pace yourself through the season...

Everyone team has a chance...and the Cowboys are not out of it...yet?
 

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StarAmongStars;1148415 said:
In a word....Yes

We conceded to defeat when we decided to bench our leader on offense for the sake of Romo's development.

Even Jerry Jones said he has lowered his expectations for this season and felt Drew was the veteran we needed to lead this team.

Honestly, I agreed with you at the time Bledsoe was benched. I honestly thought he gave us the best chance to win, mainly because at the time, he was an unknown. The second half of the Giants game sort of confirmed my thinking.

However, his play the last two games has been impressive, to put it mildly, IMO. I still think he's somewhat of an unknown, because I still don't know how he's going to respond when he makes mistakes... But I've come around to thinking that Romo gives us the best chance to win now, and I think it's pretty obvious.

I don't expect you to understand, because you're more of a Bledsoe fan than a Cowboys fan, but that's just your agenda.
 

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yeah, we're done

just forget about the postseason, and join the forum in whining about why everything's wrong, and why we suck, and who we should replace Roy with, the stellar Elam, or the steller Keith Davis, after every game *cough* I mean, loss
 
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