Are we gonna "32" these teams to victory?

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when we went to "32" I dint believe Detroit scored again.

Is it that Good?
That different..
That hard to score On?

I wanna know from the football peeps on here? :)

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I am no expert on the 3-2 but I would *think* that the best way to attack it would be running the ball, especially draws or other delayed hand-offs. Now, if it were a 3-2 with random blitzes thrown in, that might help get a 3-and-out in a drive.
 

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I thought this was going to be a thread about us relying on Scandrick to win games....man, glad I looked at it....:laugh:...

I think they partly went to the 3-2-6 out of necessity as we were down on DL, and once they fell behind, they pretty much abandoned the run, and we were defending the pass mainly. But I am not sure how much the ran in the 2nd half. I think Zenner only had like 3 carries.
 

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I thought this was going to be a thread about us relying on Scandrick to win games....man, glad I looked at it....:laugh:...

I think they partly went to the 3-2-6 out of necessity as we were down on DL, and once they fell behind, they pretty much abandoned the run, and we were defending the pass mainly. But I am not sure how much the ran in the 2nd half. I think Zenner only had like 3 carries.
Scandrick could be the new Doug Plank.
 

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I think in the situations we use it in it's very effective. Those 3 down lineman have to eventually get pressure though. One of my gut feelings on this defense is that QB's, in general, don't have a good feel for how long they really have in the pocket against that front.
 

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The 3-2 has some pretty obvious pros & cons. You are extremely vulnerable against the run, but you also have 8 guys in coverage, so typically you don't have anything open downfield, and force the QB to go with a high percentage/low yardage throw. Match that with the way our defense pursues to the football, along with higher quality DBs than in previous years, and it is pretty effective on passing downs.

My biggest issue with a 3-2 (at least the way Rod plays it) is it becomes very difficult to disguise your pass rush. With 3 DL and 2 LBs it makes the O-line assignments pretty straight forward. Other teams will often show an all out blitz just to fall into coverage after the snap, which can help cause confusion on the oline, force teams to keep in TEs/RBs for pass pro, and on occasion cause a QB to force a pass to his hot route that was covered after all. For this reason I would prefer a 4-1-6 or 4-2-5 to a 3-2-6 when we are at full strength. Especially with the improved pass rush that we have seen as the season progresses I would rather give our guys a shot at the QB.

My guess in in two weeks we end up playing Green Bay. If that happens we may see a lot of the 3-2 on passing downs. Rod hates to send pressure on the elite QBs, and for good reason. I haven't gone back and re-watched the Lions game for any type of breakdown, but one thing that did pop out to me during the Live broadcast was how often even in a 4 man fronts we were only rushing 3 men. It seems like Tyrone Crawford was dropped into coverage multiple times. Rod still plays everything pretty straight up, but has been adding some small wrinkles to this defense as the year has progressed, and I like it.
 

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I thought this was going to be a thread about us relying on Scandrick to win games....man, glad I looked at it....:laugh:...

I think they partly went to the 3-2-6 out of necessity as we were down on DL, and once they fell behind, they pretty much abandoned the run, and we were defending the pass mainly. But I am not sure how much the ran in the 2nd half. I think Zenner only had like 3 carries.
The 3-2 has some pretty obvious pros & cons. You are extremely vulnerable against the run, but you also have 8 guys in coverage, so typically you don't have anything open downfield, and force the QB to go with a high percentage/low yardage throw. Match that with the way our defense pursues to the football, along with higher quality DBs than in previous years, and it is pretty effective on passing downs.

My biggest issue with a 3-2 (at least the way Rod plays it) is it becomes very difficult to disguise your pass rush. With 3 DL and 2 LBs it makes the O-line assignments pretty straight forward. Other teams will often show an all out blitz just to fall into coverage after the snap, which can help cause confusion on the oline, force teams to keep in TEs/RBs for pass pro, and on occasion cause a QB to force a pass to his hot route that was covered after all. For this reason I would prefer a 4-1-6 or 4-2-5 to a 3-2-6 when we are at full strength. Especially with the improved pass rush that we have seen as the season progresses I would rather give our guys a shot at the QB.

My guess in in two weeks we end up playing Green Bay. If that happens we may see a lot of the 3-2 on passing downs. Rod hates to send pressure on the elite QBs, and for good reason. I haven't gone back and re-watched the Lions game for any type of breakdown, but one thing that did pop out to me during the Live broadcast was how often even in a 4 man fronts we were only rushing 3 men. It seems like Tyrone Crawford was dropped into coverage multiple times. Rod still plays everything pretty straight up, but has been adding some small wrinkles to this defense as the year has progressed, and I like it.



So they should have run Zenner and they didn't?
 

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So they should have run Zenner and they didn't?

I think so, or tried to more. If I was a Lions fan I sure would question it. As we would / do with Zeke not getting carries.
But once they were down by 2 TD's they became pretty much one dimensional.
 

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So they should have run Zenner and they didn't?
I'd have to go back and watch the game again to give a concrete answer to this, but they probably did abandon the run game too early. Overall they ran the ball 20 times for 90 yards and 3tds, so it isn't like they were being stuffed all game. To be fair to Detroit though once you fall behind 14+ points in the 2nd half it does become difficult to stick to the ground game. That's why it worked so well though. The Cowboys were basically daring them to run the ball, but Detroit didn't want to drain the clock.

If the Cowboys can get out to early leads in games this formation could be a great weapon, it's just not a formation that you can base your game plan around.
 

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I think so, or tried to more. If I was a Lions fan I sure would question it. As we would / do with Zeke not getting carries.
But once they were down by 2 TD's they became pretty much one dimensional.
I'd have to go back and watch the game again to give a concrete answer to this, but they probably did abandon the run game too early. Overall they ran the ball 20 times for 90 yards and 3tds, so it isn't like they were being stuffed all game. To be fair to Detroit though once you fall behind 14+ points in the 2nd half it does become difficult to stick to the ground game. That's why it worked so well though. The Cowboys were basically daring them to run the ball, but Detroit didn't want to drain the clock.

If the Cowboys can get out to early leads in games this formation could be a great weapon, it's just not a formation that you can base your game plan around.


That's the thing.
It's not the first time I/we've seen a team go away from something that is working. The Cowboys included.

What's the deal?
 

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That's the thing.
It's not the first time I/we've seen a team go away from something that is working. The Cowboys included.

What's the deal?

I ask myself that many times...LOL...coaches trying to get to cute, or trying to fool the other team by doing someting against the norm I guess.
 

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I ask myself that many times...LOL...coaches trying to get to cute, or trying to fool the other team by doing someting against the norm I guess.
I agree....Sometimes I think coordinators are too smart for their own good. One thing you have to do is not just make your adjustments, but try to anticipate what adjustments the other team will be making. That makes for a whole lot of thinking, and often overthinking.
 

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I ask myself that many times...LOL...coaches trying to get to cute, or trying to fool the other team by doing someting against the norm I guess.
I agree....Sometimes I think coordinators are too smart for their own good. One thing you have to do is not just make your adjustments, but try to anticipate what adjustments the other team will be making. That makes for a whole lot of thinking, and often overthinking.


If it's working... keep doing it until they prove they can stop it.

Just seems like common sense lol
 

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when we went to "32" I dint believe Detroit scored again.

Is it that Good?
That different..
That hard to score On?

I wanna know from the football peeps on here? :)

Teach me

Excellent question. I'm wondering if it was really a 3-2-6 or was it a walk up that morphed. How do you identify the Mike?

Whatever it was it worked and I think it's really hard to figure out and it's the kind of thing you expect to see from Belichek.
 

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If the run defense does it's job like it has been doing on 1st and 2nd downs, then yeah.
 

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Excellent question. I'm wondering if it was really a 3-2-6 or was it a walk up that morphed. How do you identify the Mike?

Whatever it was it worked and I think it's really hard to figure out and it's the kind of thing you expect to see from Belichek.

It gave me a rush! Lol
 
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