Are we just assuming the culture is good now?

[Bobhaze]

If our favorite team was coming off a nice run of playoff wins over the last decade, I would be glad to see our front office and coaching staff craft our roster around keeping some key players that have been most influential in a bunch of playoff wins.

Problem is we have 2 wild card wins the last decade and a culture that has been questioned by those both inside and outside of this organization as being soft and not focused fully on winning football games.

Serious question- So why would this organization- almost yearly - decide the most important free agents to sign are “our guys”? Our guys who haven’t really an complished that much. Are we trying to keep the same culture and performance from “our guys” why would expect the results it to get any better?

Put another way, are we assuming “our culture is fine”? Is our FO really just convinced that this three decade playoff drought is just bad luck?

Because if there’s no learning or understanding about what’s wrong with this organization, how are we supposed to “believe” we have righted the ship in the right direction?

I’m hoping we have a great draft and sign some impactful FAs. But what about this team’s culture? Doesn’t it need addressing too?

 

[Rayman70]

For me, no. Yet to be determined. I measure culture not in a vacuum, but over a longer haul. Like the Ravens culture, Chiefs, San Fran. Not so fast I say on Philly. Yes they won a SB again but this may be despite the culture issues. Now if we see viable changes over the next 4 years, and win in the process, we might be able to say we have solved the culture problems. Time will tell.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I get where you're coming from but we might be jumping the gun on this one a little bit. The second they signed Eberflus I think it was a given that they were bringing back OSA. Them signing him to a deal instead of negotiating via the tag is a very positive sign that could free up some additional cap space for them to actually play around with free agency. I'm still not sold on the idea that they will do that, but the door seems to be cracked open.

Also I wouldnt rule out a major move like dumping a Parsons either. I dont want to put too much stock in the Titans rumor, but it didnt come from nowhere. Its also possible that moving Parsons could still be an option. That would be a major culture changer, and instantly bring in some fresh blood via the draft. He is the guy that I really struggle to see benefiting from an Eberflus defense, and its the reason i was left scratching my head when he was hired.

I'm all for the Jerry/Stephen bashing until they actually give us reason for optimism, but there is something different in the air right now....like they are feeling the pressure to do something big. Lets see if they really intend to do something big or just shine up a turd for us.

 

[Rayman70]

Btw let's add Detroit to the list of teams that seemingly have solved the culture riddle.

 

[scottsp]

Why would we make such an assumption at this stage?

 

[Rayman70]

I get where you're coming from but we might be jumping the gun on this one a little bit. The second they signed Eberflus I think it was a given that they were bringing back OSA. Them signing him to a deal instead of negotiating via the tag is a very positive sign that could free up some additional cap space for them to actually play around with free agency. I'm still not sold on the idea that they will do that, but the door seems to be cracked open.

Also I wouldnt rule out a major move like dumping a Parsons either. I dont want to put too much stock in the Titans rumor, but it didnt come from nowhere. Its also possible that moving Parsons could still be an option. That would be a major culture changer, and instantly bring in some fresh blood via the draft. He is the guy that I really struggle to see benefiting from an Eberflus defense, and its the reason i was left scratching my head when he was hired.

I'm all for the Jerry/Stephen bashing until they actually give us reason for optimism, but there is something different in the air right now....like they are feeling the pressure to do something big. Lets see if they really intend to do something big or just shine up a turd for us.

Agree. Part of the signal might need to include dumping Parsons. Not that he isn't a great player, but he sure seems to squeak alot for a guy that never achieved anything in a huge game against elite teams. Seems like something is brewing with him.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

TBD, but since the people that set culture are the same as twenty-five years ago, well...

 

[thunderpimp91]

Agree. Part of the signal might need to include dumping Parsons. Not that he isn't a great player, but he sure seems to squeak alot for a guy that never achieved anything in a huge game against elite teams. Seems like something is brewing with him.

Yeah I'm a massive Parsons fan (at least when he isnt podcasting) but he is the one guy you can actually move on from and get enough pieces back overhaul your organization. Getting his projected money off the books also helps if the Cowboys change their stance on free agency.

 

[CyberB0b]

For me, no. Yet to be determined. I measure culture not in a vacuum, but over a longer haul. Like the Ravens culture, Chiefs, San Fran. Not so fast I say on Philly. Yes they won a SB again but this may be despite the culture issues. Now if we see viable changes over the next 4 years, and win in the process, we might be able to say we have solved the culture problems. Time will tell.

You have had 30 years to determine the culture.

 

[RS12]

I will assume that when the Jones family no longer has anything to do with football ops. Until then.....no.

 

[CATCH17]

I don’t expect much change at all really.

I think we hired a coach that’s just a stop gap for a couple years.

 

[fivetwos]

If our favorite team was coming off a nice run of playoff wins over the last decade, I would be glad to see our front office and coaching staff craft our roster around keeping some key players that have been most influential in a bunch of playoff wins.

Problem is we have 2 wild card wins the last decade and a culture that has been questioned by those both inside and outside of this organization as being soft and not focused fully on winning football games.

Serious question- So why would this organization- almost yearly - decide the most important free agents to sign are “our guys”? Our guys who haven’t really an complished that much. Are we trying to keep the same culture and performance from “our guys” why would expect the results it to get any better?

Put another way, are we assuming “our culture is fine”? Is our FO really just convinced that this three decade playoff drought is just bad luck?

Because if there’s no learning or understanding about what’s wrong with this organization, how are we supposed to “believe” we have righted the ship in the right direction?

I’m hoping we have a great draft and sign some impactful FAs. But what about this team’s culture? Doesn’t it need addressing too?

They like their own players because they aren’t ‘comfortable’ investing tens of millions in players they don’t know personally, because they don’t do the actual GM work.

They rely on reports from others, which is probably why they tend to overrate players and the roster as a whole. Those assistants aren’t going to offer up bad reports on the 5th round picks they are supposed to be turning into stud starters.

I’d be stunned if they build this roster back to a contender before this gets much worse. If NY finds a QB, and all indications are that they will be after Darnold or Stafford, those gimme division wins are all gone.

 

[Rayman70]

You have had 30 years to determine the culture.

I'm not saying that. Yes the last 30 years have been what they are, no doubt. What I'm saying is , Shotty just got here, a long with the new staff. His regime is in it's infancy. I'm saying let's take a wait and see view over the next 3 years or so. We might have a good idea after year one. It's a clean slate.

 

[Rayman70]

I don’t expect much change at all really.

I think we hired a coach that’s just a stop gap for a couple years.

Hard to tell. I'm going to take it on a year to year basis. Then we can look back and evaluate the culture fairly.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

They love paying their own guys because it makes them feel like better drafters/personnel guys.

Never mind if the player is actually the best possible value for the money compared to what they could get on the market. Anyone good enough to get a second contract validates their own egos.

And as far as the culture talk, that's so overrated. Not that good culture isn't important -- of course it is -- but every coach wants a good culture and talks about it on his first day. It's like saying we want to be good at blocking and tackling... everyone wants that. The trick is can you make it happen.

And we know the culture here isn't changing in a major way until the Joneses release their grip on the team, which we know isn't happening.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What indication was there that anyone was content with anything?

Rabble rousing is fun I guess, was slow yesterday. . . . smh

 

[OGSixshooter]

If our favorite team was coming off a nice run of playoff wins over the last decade, I would be glad to see our front office and coaching staff craft our roster around keeping some key players that have been most influential in a bunch of playoff wins.

Problem is we have 2 wild card wins the last decade and a culture that has been questioned by those both inside and outside of this organization as being soft and not focused fully on winning football games.

Serious question- So why would this organization- almost yearly - decide the most important free agents to sign are “our guys”? Our guys who haven’t really an complished that much. Are we trying to keep the same culture and performance from “our guys” why would expect the results it to get any better?

Put another way, are we assuming “our culture is fine”? Is our FO really just convinced that this three decade playoff drought is just bad luck?

Because if there’s no learning or understanding about what’s wrong with this organization, how are we supposed to “believe” we have righted the ship in the right direction?

I’m hoping we have a great draft and sign some impactful FAs. But what about this team’s culture? Doesn’t it need addressing too?

Problem is the rot you refer to has been here since '94....that's right...even when we won the SB in '95...the things Troy spoke out about that occurred from the Switzer years on are still concerns. One common denominator...and he's the head guy...so...no ...nothing has "changed" as regards culture.

Same circus, different clowns.

 

[CATCH17]

Hard to tell. I'm going to take it on a year to year basis. Then we can look back and evaluate the culture fairly.

Eh, the culture in Dallas is the culture in Dallas.

That is never changing.


The Schottenheimer hire itself is par for the Dallas culture course.

The results on the field is all I care about. The culture will always be the culture with the Jones’s in charge.

It’s a country club / circus.

 

[Coogiguy03]

If our favorite team was coming off a nice run of playoff wins over the last decade, I would be glad to see our front office and coaching staff craft our roster around keeping some key players that have been most influential in a bunch of playoff wins.

Problem is we have 2 wild card wins the last decade and a culture that has been questioned by those both inside and outside of this organization as being soft and not focused fully on winning football games.

Serious question- So why would this organization- almost yearly - decide the most important free agents to sign are “our guys”? Our guys who haven’t really an complished that much. Are we trying to keep the same culture and performance from “our guys” why would expect the results it to get any better?

Put another way, are we assuming “our culture is fine”? Is our FO really just convinced that this three decade playoff drought is just bad luck?

Because if there’s no learning or understanding about what’s wrong with this organization, how are we supposed to “believe” we have righted the ship in the right direction?

I’m hoping we have a great draft and sign some impactful FAs. But what about this team’s culture? Doesn’t it need addressing too?

Don't think too hard my buddy haze it's standard Cowboys talk, they've put a chip inside of Shotty and programmed him to say exactly what they say!!! Pretty soon he'll be saying position flex and all this other kind of Cowboys mumbo jumbo!!


Wait until after we lose a game you'll hear the robotic talk of "I'm proud of our guys, i'm happy and thankful for us going out there today, WE HAVE TO GET BETTER, we'll go back and watch film and we'll be better!" lol

 

[CATCH17]

They love paying their own guys because it makes them feel like better drafters/personnel guys.

Never mind if the player is actually the best possible value for the money compared to what they could get on the market. Anyone good enough to get a second contract validates their own egos.

And as far as the culture talk, that's so overrated. Not that good culture isn't important -- of course it is -- but every coach wants a good culture and talks about it on his first day. It's like saying we want to be good at blocking and tackling... everyone wants that. The trick is can you make it happen.

And we know the culture here isn't changing in a major way until the Joneses release their grip on the team, which we know isn't happening.

They look at big contracts as a reward instead of looking at it as is this player good enough going forward to validate this cap space.