Are we running the same offense from 25 years ago?

[rpntex]

They had Dez on a slant last week, Dak missed him, threw it too far ahead. Dez would still be running if Dak hit him in stride.

Actually ran three of 'em...completed one (last drive of the game)

 

[erod]

How about the horrible no back set in third and less than 5 where the threat of a draw play could at least make them think instead you go empty and open the rush gates with two new oline spots dumb.

They do that because "that's what Dak was comfortable with in college."

They need to make him uncomfortable with that. I HATE empty-backfield plays. They did it sometimes with Romo, too.

 

[perrykemp]

They do that because "that's what Dak was comfortable with in college."

They need to make him uncomfortable with that. I HATE empty-backfield plays. They did it sometimes with Romo, too.

The empty backfield set has to be one of the most idiotic in football.

It removes 100% of the mystery as to what kind of play it is going to be.

 

[erod]

The empty backfield set has to be one of the most idiotic in football.

It removes 100% of the mystery as to what kind of play it is going to be.

Not to mention it removes the only hope of picking up a free blitzer.

 

[Redball Express]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

No..

but we do have a HC who comes from 25 years ago.

Does that count?

 

[Redball Express]

Not to mention it removes the only hope of picking up a free blitzer.

I'd rather they run from the eye like we did in the 60's..

You can run anything from it.

I miss the old days when we did the Landry Hitch where the OL stood up..

blocked the vision of the defense..

then we would split the backfield and reset the formation..

then snap the ball and catch the defense moving the wrong way.

Those were the days.

Here..lets get ready for Sundays game..

 

[windward]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

Yes. We ran jetsweeps and read option all the time in 1992.

 

[Aven8]

I’d love to see a slant. Possibly even 2 in the same game. They’re still hard to stop. Dez is big. Do it please.

Please

We have and he let one go right through his hands for an Int, and the other he dropped last week on a huge 3rd down.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

Garrett's a good evaluator of talent and character, he's built a team core. He's also has been the beneficiary of great players and talent, while given the pass on down years due to injuries, etc It's been a long time since we've seen results.

I say enough is enough,

 

[gmoney112]

LOL this place is just getting ridiculous.

Is?

"It depends on what your definition of is.. is"

 

[DenCWBY]

No. Fullback was a main ingredient in those days, running the lead draw. The linemen were maulers, so it was usually straight ahead. Teams were completely beaten up after a game against the Boys in those days. Unlike now where playing Dallas is the best therapy for injured players becoming healthy, it seemed like opposition players would milk injuries to miss out getting the snot kicked out of them.

Slants, skinny posts were the main pass patterns. Michael was a technician on route running. The passing offense was precision. Troy could put the ball anywhere, and don't give me his 61% or whatever completion percentage as evidence Dak is more accurate. And I love me some Dak. A huge number of Troy's incompletions were throw aways.

We also had a dominate defense.

 

[TheHerd]

We also had a dominate defense.

Absolutely. One of the top 5 defenses every year.

The backups in those teams would have contended for a playoff spot.

 

[Wood]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

Garrett needs to understand player turnover rate is higher now than in 90's. It also feels like players are more injured now. Has to learn to adapt and color outside the line occasionally. My biggest complaint of Garrett is he insist on operating out of his comfort zone. My advice for him would be to become comfortable with being uncomfortable.

 

[DCBoysfan]

The empty backfield set has to be one of the most idiotic in football.

It removes 100% of the mystery as to what kind of play it is going to be.

Nevermind it’s one of the staple formations of the Super Bowl champions. This is football in 2017.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

Maybe, blokes, from 1988, because this is trademark Landry vanilla schtuff. When St. Jimmy got here, he instituted power up the middle runs and slants and with Irwin and his sidekicks lighting it up at midrange field.
Romo, with his prescient powers, could/can predict every run from Garrett's present repertoire. And if opponent DCs could concentrate, methinks they could predict most of our plays. That's not cricket. Very simply, hooligans and men on the dole, we need to overhaul our plays and strategy.
Now the library lady is signaling me my time is up at the computers. I think she might be mistaken because I have been here only 30 minutes and NOT 45. I will apply me charms to her for an extra 15 minutes ... be back soon, ruffians.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Nevermind it’s one of the staple formations of the Super Bowl champions. This is football in 2017.

No, me pal Perry is absolutely correct. With most mortal teams, the empty backfield takes ALL the doubts away.

 

[Reality]

A bit too much vertical and not enough horizontal nor getting the ball out quickly enough at times. Also, they need to allow Dak to roll out more although TBF they have that in the offense.

This is what I've been irritated about. They did the same thing to Romo. There was a time when the primary Giants defensive strategy when playing the Cowboys was to keep Romo in the pocket because he killing them and other teams outside the pocket.

In the few plays where Dak has rolled out, he's had a good bit of success so I just cannot understand why they won't spice things up by rolling him out left and right at times. But just like Romo, it seems the Cowboys are dead set on keeping Dak in the pocket on every play except that one roll out to the right that he either throws to a short route (5 yards) or a non-short route (10-15 yards) receiver depending on which is open.

This offensive scheme seems built around dictation than actual strategy. First down, run the ball. If second down and short, throw a 5-8 yard pass. If second down and long, try a long pass or run it again. Third down, throw it short no matter how many yards are required for a first down. There's no creativity. There is no variation, at least not intentionally.

Their philosophy is line up, beat your man and win the game, and that rarely works consistently in the NFL because the talent levels are not that far apart these days. It worked last year until teams stacking the line. They don't just stack the line to stop the run, they stack the line to stop the run and to limit yards after the catch on all of the short throws we make.

We need to run more crossing routes. We need to roll Dak out left and right more. We need to stop trying so many safe (only our guy can catch it) throws because those routes are also the easiest to defend. It's Dak's second year. You either trust him or you don't. They need to put their big boy pants on and actually get aggressive. Stop playing as if the field is 5-10 yards long on every down.

 

[waving monkey]

It seems like the plays, routes and philosophy are the same as the early 90s. That was great back then but this is 2017.

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/05/scott-linehans-offensive-philosophy.html

“The key to our running game is to develop mismatches. We put our best receiver and player at the Slot Back position. People who try to stay in a regular defense and not play the Nickle or Dime coverages have mismatches trying to cover the Slot Back with a run defensive player. Everything in our passing game is based on trying to get the slot in a One on One situation. The running game is the same. We take the run defender and put him in space with the Slot Back where he has to cover more ground.”

 

[DCBoysfan]

No, me pal Perry is absolutely correct. With most mortal teams, the empty backfield takes ALL the doubts away.

Except my pal for that pesky play called the jet sweep out of that very formation......

 

[jobberone]

This is what I've been irritated about. They did the same thing to Romo. There was a time when the primary Giants defensive strategy when playing the Cowboys was to keep Romo in the pocket because he killing them and other teams outside the pocket.

In the few plays where Dak has rolled out, he's had a good bit of success so I just cannot understand why they won't spice things up by rolling him out left and right at times. But just like Romo, it seems the Cowboys are dead set on keeping Dak in the pocket on every play except that one roll out to the right that he either throws to a short route (5 yards) or a non-short route (10-15 yards) receiver depending on which is open.


They are doing that and teams are looking for it now because Dak does so well out of the pocket. So they do have to disguise it well enough to keep teams from blowing it up.


This offensive scheme seems built around dictation than actual strategy. First down, run the ball. If second down and short, throw a 5-8 yard pass. If second down and long, try a long pass or run it again. Third down, throw it short no matter how many yards are required for a first down. There's no creativity. There is no variation, at least not intentionally.


I agree with this and his play by the numbers has pros and cons. It is good coaching to know success rates etc down and distance. If you become too predictable with that then it's a con. Put some of that on Wilson and Linehan esp the latter although Garrett calls the shots overall.


Their philosophy is line up, beat your man and win the game, and that rarely works consistently in the NFL because the talent levels are not that far apart these days. It worked last year until teams stacking the line. They don't just stack the line to stop the run, they stack the line to stop the run and to limit yards after the catch on all of the short throws we make.


You can do that if you're good enough. We were last year offensively but not defensively. We need to be more ingenious.


We need to run more crossing routes. We need to roll Dak out left and right more. We need to stop trying so many safe (only our guy can catch it) throws because those routes are also the easiest to defend. It's Dak's second year. You either trust him or you don't. They need to put their big boy pants on and actually get aggressive. Stop playing as if the field is 5-10 yards long on every down.

There is post embedded you can't see without expanding. Agree with the latter as long as it's done smart. We definitely need more slants. Too much vertical offense and not enough horizontal to reiterate.