Are we setting Dak Prescott up for a mighty fall?

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Thankfully it doesn't matter what the fan's expectations are. Personally I have no expectations. I have hopes which are bolstered with every game, so far. I know that four games doesn't begin to tell the story for a player or a team. Only time will tell.
 

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A lot of what's being written about Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz have been written about rookies before. They come in, show some veteran poise, win a few games, make some youthful plays, and next thing you know, the fan base is bubbling over and building golden statues.

Too often, too much is expected too soon. Natural growing pains aren't tolerated because it's forgotten how young they are and how much of this game still doesn't register in their minds. The pro game adapts to you and makes you do things you've never done before....or else.

We've seen the fall before. Frustration grows and these young guns become defensive, secluded, aloof, and bitter. It's an all-too-common theme with promising NFL quarterbacks.

We're watching Andrew Luck slowly unravel in Indianapolis. Bortles, Winston, and Mariotta are starting to fray at the seams, too. Bridgewater is still woefully raw. Derek Carr is the only young QB who's holding steady. I believe Matt Stafford would be far better today if he didn't have to start so soon. Same for Alex Smith.

We've been bickering back and forth around here for days over this trumped-up QB controversy. But the absolute best thing that could happen for OUR young quarterback is to watch and learn the game for a while without the pitfalls of failure and expectation raining down upon him.

The best quarterbacks in the NFL sat and watched a while....Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Romo. It's true, Roethlisberger and Wilson did well as rookies, but that was because they had devastating defenses and tremendous running games to carry the lion's share of the load. Dak has one of those parts, which is good, but not the other.

The best policy is to bring this guy along at a human pace. Don't kill his spirit with challenges he's not yet ready for if it's avoidable. Don't throw him to the wolves if you don't have to. Far bigger animals await him than the lowly teams he's faced so far.

I don't want Prescott charged with trying to lead a team to the playoffs this season. I want him to be fully prepared to do that in 2018 and well beyond. That's the prize we want from him, not the here and now.

He's good. We've been blessed. Now, let's take care of this good fortune and invest it wisely.
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Honestly and the most promise I see from Dak is his performance on 3rd down. That tells the story of his success so far as well as the 0 ints. These stats tell the story of his poise and pocket presence IMO.

3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 12 15 131 80.0 8.73
3rd (or 4th) down and 3-8 yards to go 11 18 101 61.1 5.61
3rd (or 4th) down and 1-2 yards to go 6 6 94 100.0 15.67
 

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It's really not about who is better right now, it's about who is better for the long term and what can we get for Romo to help our team be good for a very long time. Otherwise, he just walks and we get nothing, Dak takes over anyway.
 

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A lot of what's being written about Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz have been written about rookies before. They come in, show some veteran poise, win a few games, make some youthful plays, and next thing you know, the fan base is bubbling over and building golden statues.

Too often, too much is expected too soon. Natural growing pains aren't tolerated because it's forgotten how young they are and how much of this game still doesn't register in their minds. The pro game adapts to you and makes you do things you've never done before....or else.

We've seen the fall before. Frustration grows and these young guns become defensive, secluded, aloof, and bitter. It's an all-too-common theme with promising NFL quarterbacks.

We're watching Andrew Luck slowly unravel in Indianapolis. Bortles, Winston, and Mariotta are starting to fray at the seams, too. Bridgewater is still woefully raw. Derek Carr is the only young QB who's holding steady. I believe Matt Stafford would be far better today if he didn't have to start so soon. Same for Alex Smith.

We've been bickering back and forth around here for days over this trumped-up QB controversy. But the absolute best thing that could happen for OUR young quarterback is to watch and learn the game for a while without the pitfalls of failure and expectation raining down upon him.

The best quarterbacks in the NFL sat and watched a while....Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Romo. It's true, Roethlisberger and Wilson did well as rookies, but that was because they had devastating defenses and tremendous running games to carry the lion's share of the load. Dak has one of those parts, which is good, but not the other.

The best policy is to bring this guy along at a human pace. Don't kill his spirit with challenges he's not yet ready for if it's avoidable. Don't throw him to the wolves if you don't have to. Far bigger animals await him than the lowly teams he's faced so far.

I don't want Prescott charged with trying to lead a team to the playoffs this season. I want him to be fully prepared to do that in 2018 and well beyond. That's the prize we want from him, not the here and now.

He's good. We've been blessed. Now, let's take care of this good fortune and invest it wisely.
I think you make some very good points and I agree with the sentiments wholeheartedly.

I would also add this point about the Dak situation in contrast to many of the QBs on your list as well as others who have gone thru similar struggles. Did those QBs who started fast and then struggled have the Oline that Dak does? Beyond just the running game, which is awesome, this kid on many throws has an unbelievably clean pocket. And when he doesn't, he has the escapability to buy time or run for yardage, and the strength to take the hit. I would say this: while i certainly agree plan A was to have him sit and learn and ease him in to a starting role eventually (3-4 years), if forced into it, him having one of the arguably all-time great offensives lines should blunt some of the potential pitfalls suffered by other young QBs. The stark contrast is I just don't expect him to take the kind of beating many of those other young QBs took (no jinx) - even against the better teams. While he doesn't have a dominant defense a la Big Ben and Russell in their rookie seasons, our all-world Oline is what I base my confidence on (along with having a very good compliment of skilled position players to support him). With that as a key factor, I like his chances of bucking the trend - and the hand we've been dealt.

But you're right, our optimism should be rooted in a deep and cautious sobriety lessen we get drunk off the hype.
 

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It's a long road to NFL all pro QB. Lots of places to misstep. We're pretty lucky to have a rookie 4th rounder display this much aptitude.

Dak's in a great situation. He's got a great OL, great skill position players, and 4 coaches/players with significant QB experience to help him develop. There's nothing wrong with giving him a bunch of NFL snaps, putting a bunch of work on film, and then sitting back and developing him over a year or two while Tony is healthy. By the time he goes back in, he'll be an even better player, and we'll get better play from Tony in the interim than we can get from Dak right now.

It's pretty much the perfect situation for the Cowboys. We need to keep the WR corps stocked, and we need to add a ton of talent to the defense. Sign our own core players, and we're pretty much set for the next 2-3 years.
 

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It's a long road to NFL all pro QB. Lots of places to misstep. We're pretty lucky to have a rookie 4th rounder display this much aptitude.

Dak's in a great situation. He's got a great OL, great skill position players, and 4 coaches/players with significant QB experience to help him develop. There's nothing wrong with giving him a bunch of NFL snaps, putting a bunch of work on film, and then sitting back and developing him over a year or two while Tony is healthy. By the time he goes back in, he'll be an even better player, and we'll get better play from Tony in the interim than we can get from Dak right now.

It's pretty much the perfect situation for the Cowboys. We need to keep the WR corps stocked, and we need to add a ton of talent to the defense. Sign our own core players, and we're pretty much set for the next 2-3 years.
Honest question in regards to the better play from Tony part. Last year in 4 games against lesser competition, Tony had 5 TDs 7 INTs... QB Rating 20 PTS lower than Dak. Now Tony is a year older, in worse shape and has another injury under his belt. You state it so matter of factly... Where exactly do you get the "better play from Tony" part?

I agree with a lot of your post. Just puzzled by that statement.
 
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We can only really look at what he's done so far which is win 3 games, break rookie records, and prove that he's an extreme value for a 4th rd pick. He's given me no reason whatsoever to think he's gonna come crashing down anytime soon, and I don't care what happened with Tannehill and the rest of the people theOP listed.

Dak is his own deal and I truly believe he's out next great starting QB. I'd trade Romo today if there was a good enough offer. And i love Romo, but I'm all in on Dak.

Let's face it..

DAKS success is directly tied to the offensive line.

These other QBs mentioned never had this OL.

They have raised their game for him and Zeke.

Even with our injuriea..they are playing with enormous pride.

And the defense is in on the fight ,too. They saved the last game with their 4 down stand to end the game.

So there is the differemce.
 

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Honest question in regards to the better play from Tony part. Last year in 4 games against lesser competition, Tony had 5 TDs 7 INTs... QB Rating 20 PTS lower than Dak. Now Tony is a year older, in worse shape and has another injury under his belt. You state it so matter of factly... Where exactly do you get the "better play from Tony" part?

I agree with a lot of your post. Just puzzled by that statement.


That and the fact that Romo has had 10 years... TEN YEARS as a starter and has nothing to show for.Absolutely nothing. What exactly is going to change now that Romo is at the very end of his career? Leave Dak in there and get him some more experience.
 

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That and the fact that Romo has had 10 years... TEN YEARS as a starter and has nothing to show for.Absolutely nothing. What exactly is going to change now that Romo is at the very end of his career? Leave Dak in there and get him some more experience.
I agree with this, and those that say "Tony is clearly better than Dak right now" have nothing to back that up with other than wishful thinking. If they do give a compelling arguement on why Tony is better right now... id like to hear it.
 

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Honest question in regards to the better play from Tony part. Last year in 4 games against lesser competition, Tony had 5 TDs 7 INTs... QB Rating 20 PTS lower than Dak. Now Tony is a year older, in worse shape and has another injury under his belt. You state it so matter of factly... Where exactly do you get the "better play from Tony" part?

I agree with a lot of your post. Just puzzled by that statement.

You are puzzled if you think that the Giants, Philly, MIami, and Panthers of last year are lesser comp than NYG, Wash, Chicago and SF of this year.
 

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That and the fact that Romo has had 10 years... TEN YEARS as a starter and has nothing to show for.Absolutely nothing. What exactly is going to change now that Romo is at the very end of his career? Leave Dak in there and get him some more experience.
Hey you said 10 years and not 13 years... good job. Brings a tear to my eye.
 

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Honest question in regards to the better play from Tony part. Last year in 4 games against lesser competition, Tony had 5 TDs 7 INTs... QB Rating 20 PTS lower than Dak. Now Tony is a year older, in worse shape and has another injury under his belt. You state it so matter of factly... Where exactly do you get the "better play from Tony" part?

I agree with a lot of your post. Just puzzled by that statement.

I didn't say Tony's play last season was specifically better, for the record. Only that Tony's a better player than Dak is. As far as those games go, though, NY, PHI, CAR, and MIA are not what I'd consider lesser competition to what Dak's faced this year. Of those four games, you had the miracle comeback in week 1 that was all on Tony, he got hurt in week 2 v. PHI, came back after many weeks off v. MIA and didn't play great, and then was rolled in CAR. Not Tony's best stretch of games, to be sure, but pretty obviously due to injury and time off.

That said, he's a better QB than Dak is over his most recent stretch of full games in the lineup, against better quality competition. He sees the field better, reads the defenses better, makes more big plays, and is just a smarter QB right now. And this team believes in Tony every bit as much as they believe in Dak Prescott.

Dak's got all the potential in the world, and he's on a trajectory to be a great QB in his own right. When Tony comes back after next week, you watch. You're going to hear him say exactly what I'm saying now. There's a lot he can still learn about NFL defenses, and Tony's a great guy to teach him. They're both going to respect each other, both going to be good teammates, and both are going to understand the reality of the situation is that we've got two capable QBs right now for the first time in a long time. The writing is on the wall for Tony, but Dak can afford to be patient, and he can use the time to get better. He can't get where he wants to get by staging a coup in the locker room. Not with this team and this coaching staff. So he'll take a year and change to prepare and be ready when the next opportunity presents itself. Next time up, I think the gig is his for the long haul.
 

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You are puzzled if you think that the Giants, Philly, MIami, and Panthers of last year are lesser comp than NYG, Wash, Chicago and SF of this year.
Panthers are better, but the other 3 were worse last year. 7 INTS to 0 INTS better?
 

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That and the fact that Romo has had 10 years... TEN YEARS as a starter and has nothing to show for.Absolutely nothing. What exactly is going to change now that Romo is at the very end of his career? Leave Dak in there and get him some more experience.

Do you remember the stat about Romo in 2014 playoff game against GB. He was the first QB in history to put up those stats in a playoff game and not win - Think about that for a moment! and then take your ten years............
 
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Dak and the Cowboys have a perfect storm brewing. Dak gets valuable experience against some lesser teams along with a sprinkling of better teams that will push him and show him what he needs to work on. Then, hopefully, Tony comes in to take the reins and finish off a successful season. With franchise QB and quality-backup/heir-apparent in place, Dallas moves forward and solidifies its defense,,, maybe land a quality defensive player or two in free agency to go with returning "new" players like Jaylon Smith and Tapper and Gregory.
 

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I didn't say Tony's play last season was specifically better, for the record. Only that Tony's a better player than Dak is. As far as those games go, though, NY, PHI, CAR, and MIA are not what I'd consider lesser competition to what Dak's faced this year. Of those four games, you had the miracle comeback in week 1 that was all on Tony, he got hurt in week 2 v. PHI, came back after many weeks off v. MIA and didn't play great, and then was rolled in CAR. Not Tony's best stretch of games, to be sure, but pretty obviously due to injury and time off.

That said, he's a better QB than Dak is over his most recent stretch of full games in the lineup, against better quality competition. He sees the field better, reads the defenses better, makes more big plays, and is just a smarter QB right now. And this team believes in Tony every bit as much as they believe in Dak Prescott.

Dak's got all the potential in the world, and he's on a trajectory to be a great QB in his own right. When Tony comes back after next week, you watch. You're going to hear him say exactly what I'm saying now. There's a lot he can still learn about NFL defenses, and Tony's a great guy to teach him. They're both going to respect each other, both going to be good teammates, and both are going to understand the reality of the situation is that we've got two capable QBs right now for the first time in a long time. The writing is on the wall for Tony, but Dak can afford to be patient, and he can use the time to get better. He can't get where he wants to get by staging a coup in the locker room. Not with this team and this coaching staff. So he'll take a year and change to prepare and be ready when the next opportunity presents itself. Next time up, I think the gig is his for the long haul.
Thanks for reply, even you said it... His bad play was due to coming off injury. He is older now, more fragile, slower, less agile... Coming off an arguably far worse injury, another injury. An somehow we are to believe he is going to miraculously come back better than an almost perfect offense? Im sorry I just don't buy this.

I hope they are good teammates and I do think Tony has a good mind for the game. I know Dak can learn a lot from him. However, let's say the Cowboys are 3-3 or 4-2... Or even better 5-1. Don't you feel going back to Romo is by far riskier than sticking with Dak? All things considered...

When players get past age 35 they start to fall hard and fast. You have a few lone exceptions out there, Tony clearly is not one of them. A mountain of evidence shows that to be the case.

At least at this point, he can say he had some good stats, but just couldn't finish the job... For a variety of reasons. After Dak has already PROVEN he can win without Dez, Tyron Smith, several suspended Def players... Tony coming back and doing awful is going to absolutely humiliate him.
 
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Panthers are better, but the other 3 were worse last year. 7 INTS to 0 INTS better?

3-1 right !

Miami was worse than Chicago - nope -

NYG/Wash or NYG/Philly division games always tough - end of story

Yes Romo played poorly coming back from injury too soon - you got me there. 2 games does not prove his career is down the drain.
 

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Let's face it..

DAKS success is directly tied to the offensive line.

These other QBs mentioned never had this OL.

They have raised their game for him and Zeke.

Even with our injuriea..they are playing with enormous pride.

And the defense is in on the fight ,too. They saved the last game with their 4 down stand to end the game.

So there is the differemce.

QB last season had that OL as well and more experience than Dak. OL plays a part but so does talent.
 
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