Are you buying Jadeveon Clowney as the #1 pick?

[Floatyworm]

Ok...so he ran a fast 40yd. 4.5 official

But to only have 3 sacks last season???? Come on Man!!!!! How does that happen? He should have been running circles around people...

Even yesterday was a red flag for me. You show up to the combine. Run the 40yd. and then lie that your hurt because you don't want to compete in a few drills. Yet...Turn around and still do the vertical jump????

The guy is a different cat for sure. A prima donna deluxe!!!!

If I'm the Texans...I don't know how you pull this trigger on such a high risk player. If I'm making that pick I think you take QB Blake Bortels and be happy you got your QB for the next 10 years.

Comments?

 

[tm1119]

Ok...so he ran a fast 40yd. 4.5 official

But to only have 3 sacks last season???? Come on Man!!!!! How does that happen? He should have been running circles around people...

Even yesterday was a red flag for me. You show up to the combine. Run the 40yd. and then lie that your hurt because you don't want to compete in a few drills. Yet...Turn around and still do the vertical jump????

The guy is a different cat for sure. A prima donna deluxe!!!!

If I'm the Texans...I don't know how you pull this trigger on such a high risk player. If I'm making that pick I think you take QB Blake Bortels and be happy you got your QB for the next 10 years.

Comments?

You're over thinking it man ....tons of high profile guys show up to the combine and don't participate in drills. He'll, Bridgewater showed up and didn't do a single thing. Red Flag!!!

His play last year is what it is....it didn't hurt his ability to play. I've said it a bunch but....he had everything to lose and nothing to gain in college last year. Idk, maybe it's a character flaw but I sure as heck can't blame him for taking it easy.

 

[Floatyworm]

You're over thinking it man ....tons of high profile guys show up to the combine and don't participate in drills. He'll, Bridgewater showed up and didn't do a single thing. Red Flag!!!

His play last year is what it is....it didn't hurt his ability to play. I've said it a bunch but....he had everything to lose and nothing to gain in college last year. Idk, maybe it's a character flaw but I sure as heck can't blame him for taking it easy.

So you think he goes #1?

 

[Gaede]

Personally, I don't think he goes #1

 

[tm1119]

So you think he goes #1?

I have no idea what O'Brien thinks of the Qb's....obviously they have a huge need at QB, so no I don't think he's going #1. But is a #1 pick type talent? Absolutely.

 

[Risen Star]

I would be afraid to draft him #1 overall. I don't care how you rationalize this past season. If I'm spending the first overall pick on a player I want it to be on someone whose pride and competitiveness wouldn't allow him to sleep walk through a season.

 

[Nirvana]

I think Deion made some good points about game planning against Andrew Luck for the next few years, and how Watt can mentor him. And how they have a good DL coach there in Houston who will be tough on Clowney and make him work. Take these factors into account, throw in the uncertainty with ANY QB in this draft, and I like the pick for Houston. Then grab a QB in the second or third.

 

[Floatyworm]

OMG....Deion would take Manziel #1.....Just because he would want to put butts in the seats. I wonder if owners really take guys just based on "they will sell tickets"

 

[jobberone]

I've had to reassess him. There are some things I don't like about last year but when you compare that to the problems of some they are squirrel nuts.

If we had the number one pick I'd just have to pick him and cross my fingers. I haven't heard he's uncoachable and I'm close enough to have heard that I think. He's just got too much upside. If he gets help inside and on the other side then they won't be able to double and triple the guy. Even if they dare then you'll see other guys reap the benefits. I was down on him but in the end there is just too much talent. He won't bust on the field IMO.

 

[Verdict]

So you think he goes #1?

No. I don't see it happening. The smart money is betting against it. It will most likely be a quarterback.

 

[dbonham]

I can't decide whether I want to see Clowney on the same line as Watt or the Manziel circus in Houston more. Either will be highly entertaining. Gonna go with Manziel since that way he can't fall far enough for Jerry to get itchy.

 

[DFWJC]

Ok...so he ran a fast 40yd. 4.5 official

But to only have 3 sacks last season???? Come on Man!!!!! How does that happen? He should have been running circles around people...

Even yesterday was a red flag for me. You show up to the combine. Run the 40yd. and then lie that your hurt because you don't want to compete in a few drills. Yet...Turn around and still do the vertical jump????

The guy is a different cat for sure. A prima donna deluxe!!!!

If I'm the Texans...I don't know how you pull this trigger on such a high risk player. If I'm making that pick I think you take QB Blake Bortels and be happy you got your QB for the next 10 years.

Comments?

If I'm not mistaken, I think you just said Blake Bortles has a lower risk as an NFL prospect than Jadevon Clowney?

wow

I'm not sayihg he is risk-free....and I might consioder cahsing in by trading down a slot or tow if I was Houston's GM (you can get a ton for dropping just 1-2 slots from 1st overall).
But Clowney is WAY lower risk than Bortles, imo. Because Bortles plays QB is the only reason he is expected to go so high. I understand that.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

No, I'm not. He would have probably gone first overall last year, but this class has legit qb prospects and one will go first overall IMO.

 

[Alexander]

OMG....Deion would take Manziel #1.....Just because he would want to put butts in the seats. I wonder if owners really take guys just based on "they will sell tickets"

I can all but guarantee if Jones were in earshot of Johnny Football, he would instantly be talking about the future at QB.

 

[casmith07]

I am buying him as the #1 pick, but like in anything he probably isn't the best player in this draft when it's all said and done.

 

[Alexander]

I would be afraid to draft him #1 overall. I don't care how you rationalize this past season. If I'm spending the first overall pick on a player I want it to be on someone whose pride and competitiveness wouldn't allow him to sleep walk through a season.

Some people say it is because teams ran away from him, he was triple teamed etc.

I saw practically every SC game this year and I can honestly say I did not see this as being a valid explanation for the drastic drop in productivity. I also saw him take himself out of games voluntarily, which is a huge issue to me.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Ok...so he ran a fast 40yd. 4.5 official

But to only have 3 sacks last season???? Come on Man!!!!! How does that happen? He should have been running circles around people...

Even yesterday was a red flag for me. You show up to the combine. Run the 40yd. and then lie that your hurt because you don't want to compete in a few drills. Yet...Turn around and still do the vertical jump????

The guy is a different cat for sure. A prima donna deluxe!!!!

If I'm the Texans...I don't know how you pull this trigger on such a high risk player. If I'm making that pick I think you take QB Blake Bortels and be happy you got your QB for the next 10 years.

Comments?

No way he is lazy on tape , takes too many plays off 3 sacks lol .

 

[Floatyworm]

Some people say it is because teams ran away from him, he was triple teamed etc.

I saw practically every SC game this year and I can honestly say I did not see this as being a valid explanation for the drastic drop in productivity. I also saw him take himself out of games voluntarily, which is a huge issue to me.

I admit....I only saw a couple of games being on the West Coast...

You would think a guy w/ his speed could have lucked into twice as many sacks if he just gave an effort to be around the ball. It wasn't like the rest of the D-line @ SC was crap. Kelcey Quarles and Chaz Sutton are probably gonna get drafted. I have serious questions about the guy that I just couldn't risk the top overall pick. Look @ the debacle that happened to the Raiders when they took Jamarcus Russell. And they still haven't recovered.

 

[Alexander]

I admit....I only saw a couple of games being on the West Coast...

You would think a guy w/ his speed could have lucked into twice as many sacks if he just gave an effort to be around the ball. It wasn't like the rest of the D-line @ SC was crap. Kelcey Quarles and Chaz Sutton are probably gonna get drafted. I have serious questions about the guy that I just couldn't risk the top overall pick. Look @ the debacle that happened to the Raiders when they took Jamarcus Russell. And they still haven't recovered.

I cannot look at a remarkable athlete that has done it before (like he did in 2012) and doubt his ability. He was absolutely terrifying in 2012.

All I know is when a player laments the fact they could not declare for the draft, then thinks about sitting out his senior year voluntarily, then plays but half-heartedly like they are trying not to get hurt, their character is somewhat dubious.

 

[DuDa]

The question is not if he'll be the number 1 pick but rather SHOULD he be the number 1 pick. He has a lot of red flags for me and history tells us that he'll never reach his immense potential.

I'll leave this thread with quotes from Aristotle and Ralph Marston.

"Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."

"Excellence is not a skill. It is an attitude."