Arkin at Center?

jnday;4646606 said:
There is nobody other than Arkin healthy. I hope he is very good at the position.

Yes indeed, many positions are won or established due to injuries. Costa is healthy with Arkin at the backup. Arkin looks good in camp. Livings will be back next week, Leary is healthy and adding Loper and Dockery adds veteran depth to the Guard Position. With the injuries It looks like Arkin, Livings, Costa on the inside but if Arkin can make the move to center, Loper, Leary or Bernadeu who should be back soon, could fill the other spot.
 
Really wish we had addressed OL a little more in the draft. I don't care for trying to fix it with everyone's cast offs.
 
Calvin Watkins ‏@calvinwatkins
David Arkin jus snapped ball over Kyle Orton's head. Garrett: "get back in the huddle please"

Brandon George ‏@dmn_george
David Arkin said he's never played center and it shows. Several high shotgun snaps in walkthrough, 2 over QB's head.

Carlos A. Mendez ‏@calexmendez
Whoops. Arkin sends a shotgun snap over Orton's head. Next snap floats to Orton over his head again, except he can reach it this time.

Josh Ellis ‏@DCStarJEllis
Arkin just snapped the ball over Orton's head. In a walkthrough. How about getting a real center in here? The preseason games may be a mess.

Brandon George ‏@dmn_george
Another Arkin shotgun snap over QB's head ... No. 3... In walkthrough.
 
Rumors were in the offseason that Arkin was working on learning to play center

THose rumors appear to be unfounded.


You do not learn to play center in a couple of weeks.


IT takes many months if you have never played the position.

And that is just probably learning to snap let alone how to snap and at the same time take on a 320 lb NT right in your face.
 
Mark Stepnoski was horrible at shotgun snaps when he made the switch. Aikman claimed he didn't like the shotgun so they just ran everything under center, it also seemed to help the rhythm of timing offense.
 
speedkilz88;4646720 said:
Mark Stepnoski was horrible at shotgun snaps when he made the switch. Aikman claimed he didn't like the shotgun so they just ran everything under center, it also seemed to help the rhythm of timing offense.

shotgun snaps are VERY hard to get consistently right.

One thing people need to remember about playing center.

The center FIRST must make sure the exchange is clean above all else.
That means his attention is never fully on the guy he has to block.

And that is doubled out of the shotgun.

He has to give that guy the first move since because of snapping and his stance that is just the way it is.

Which is why footwork and quickness are absolutely vital to center play.
 
burmafrd;4646718 said:
Rumors were in the offseason that Arkin was working on learning to play center

THose rumors appear to be unfounded.

You do not learn to play center in a couple of weeks.

IT takes many months if you have never played the position.

And that is just probably learning to snap let alone how to snap and at the same time take on a 320 lb NT right in your face.
Bold-->Good post. As a former center (and as an observer who begins each snap watching the offensive line), I've always graded center as the hardest job on the line, even though left tackle is the toughest.

As a center, you do not only concentrate on executing your blocking assignment of every called play, you must be flexible enough to readjusting according to offensive and defensive audibles--which prompts defensive lineman and linebackers stances and stunts.

On top of that, your snap timing must be perfect with the quarterback. It does not matter if he's standing under center or in shotgun formation. If his hands are resting just below your butt and you snap the ball too soon, fumble. Likewise, if he steps out too soon while calling yike, fumble.

Spacing between you and the quarterback makes it exponentially worst. Not only are you raising the ball from ground to just below your groin, you're pitching an oblong object through your legs, to an imaginary area situated behind you, that you only instinctively know is there after many rounds of practice.

All this is done by putting the best trajectory on the ball that you can muster in approximately a second's time. Folks, the good ones make it look easy in person or on television, but it's not. And don't get me started on deep snapping...

One extra thing for those who didn't play the sport: communication between center and quarterback must be perfect between them to avoid hand or finger injuries--as any current or ex-quarterback on the site can attest to. When a quarterback steps up behind center, he does not casually place his hands to receive the football. If he isn't careful, his hands may not be open wide enough for the ball to slap between them. Nothing hurts worse than a finger being traumatically bent or smashed.

...well there is one other thing that hurts almost as much. Snapping the football as hard as you can into your groin because the quarterback's hands aren't there to stop it. ow.
 
DallasEast;4646763 said:
Bold-->Good post. As a former center (and as an observer who begins each snap watching the offensive line), I've always graded center as the hardest job on the line, even though left tackle is the toughest.

As a center, you do not only concentrate on executing your blocking assignment of every called play, you must be flexible enough to readjusting according to offensive and defensive audibles--which prompts defensive lineman and linebackers stances and stunts.

On top of that, your snap timing must be perfect with the quarterback. It does not matter if he's standing under center or in shotgun formation. If his hands are resting just below your butt and you snap the ball too soon, fumble. Likewise, if he steps out too soon while calling yike, fumble.

Spacing between you and the quarterback makes it exponentially worst. Not only are you raising the ball from ground to just below your groin, you're pitching an oblong object through your legs, to an imaginary area situated behind you, that you only instinctively know is there after many rounds of practice.

All this is done by putting the best trajectory on the ball that you can muster in approximately a second's time. Folks, the good ones make it look easy in person or on television, but it's not. And don't get me started on deep snapping...

One extra thing for those who didn't play the sport: communication between center and quarterback must be perfect between them to avoid hand or finger injuries--as any current or ex-quarterback on the site can attest to. When a quarterback steps up behind center, he does not casually place his hands to receive the football. If he isn't careful, his hands may not be open wide enough for the ball to slap between them. Nothing hurts worse than a finger being traumatically bent or smashed.

...well there is one other thing that hurts almost as much. Snapping the football as hard as you can into your groin because the quarterback's hands aren't there to stop it. ow.

OUCH.

OK

Had not thought of that. Explains a few things I have seen over the years.

When Gurode first had problems snaping in the shotgun I got curious and started to do research on playing center. I never realized before then just how much more a center has to do then the rest of the line.
 
I guess no one remembers our ProBowl C Gurode snappin the ball over Romo about 10 times during his last year here...
 
burmafrd;4646768 said:
OUCH.

OK

Had not thought of that. Explains a few things I have seen over the years.

When Gurode first had problems snaping in the shotgun I got curious and started to do research on playing center. I never realized before then just how much more a center has to do then the rest of the line.
Once, my quarterback called for a quick snap in the huddle. He told me later that he was reviewing the defensive alignment and was too slow in positioning his hands before yelling yike.

The ref called false start.

I laid on the field for about five minutes.

Before I got helped up to my feet, I was honestly worried that I had jammed my left testicle so hard that it became an ovary. True story. :eek:: :laugh2:
 
Paniolo22;4646786 said:
I guess no one remembers our ProBowl C Gurode snappin the ball over Romo about 10 times during his last year here...
I had almost forgotten about that. Thanks. :mad:
 
DallasEast;4646789 said:
Once, my quarterback called for a quick snap in the huddle. He told me later that he was reviewing the defensive alignment and was too slow in positioning his hands before yelling yike.

The ref called false start.

I laid on the field for about five minutes.

Before I got helped up to my feet, I was honestly worried that I had jammed my left testicle so hard that it became an ovary. True story. :eek:: :laugh2:

You should have went "Ronnie Lott" and had them just cut it off.:p:
 
speedkilz88;4646793 said:
You should have went "Ronnie Lott" and had them just cut it off.:p:
:laugh2:

Wait a second.

Hey! :mad:

:laugh1:
 
Paniolo22;4646786 said:
I guess no one remembers our ProBowl C Gurode snappin the ball over Romo about 10 times during his last year here...


Good point.

Everyone like to bag on Costa because he had one game where the opposing defense was calling out the snap count and had a total of 5 bad snaps in the game.

Meanwhile Gurode did it in multiple games over multiple years.
 
fortdick;4646708 said:
Really wish we had addressed OL a little more in the draft. I don't care for trying to fix it with everyone's cast offs.

To be honest there isn't much you can do when everyone gets injured.
 
Paniolo22;4646786 said:
I guess no one remembers our ProBowl C Gurode snappin the ball over Romo about 10 times during his last year here...

maybe because it did not happen but hey go ahead and rant on
 
Bluestang;4646799 said:
Good point.

Everyone like to bag on Costa because he had one game where the opposing defense was calling out the snap count and had a total of 5 bad snaps in the game.

Meanwhile Gurode did it in multiple games over multiple years.

it was more than 5 but go ahead and exagerate about Gurode

fact is that in his last three years he had less bad snaps then Costa had in that one game/

Truth hurts doesn't it?
 

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