Art Monk was a compiler...

[NIBGoldenchild]

Larry Centers once caught 100 passes. Was he an elite player?


If you say yes, jump off a high bridge.


Gary Clark wasn't even elite and he was BETTER then Monk.

You have the unfortunate problem of comparing players of two different areas. No way does a fullback catch anywhere near that many passes in the '80s. It was simply a different era. Offenses didn't throw as often as they do know. Furthermore, although I'm not completely certain on this, I believe Monk was the first reciever to catch over 100 passes in a season.

 

[Hostile]

One can only hope. Sadly, I think Monk's window has closed. At this point I'm waiting for voters to think up ways to keep Green out.

Not a snowball's chance in Tucson that Green gets bipassed Henry. I don't think you have anythign to worry about. If he's not a sure fire 1st ballot guy I'd be shocked down to my socks.

 

[Henry]

I see no way that Green would be left out.

I felt the same way about Monk when he was first up. I'm not going to underestimate the HOF voters uncanny ability to ignore the blatantly obvious ever again.

For the record I was shocked, absolutely shocked, when I first found out neither Pearson, nor Hill, nor Hayes were in the HOF. When I thought back to how much grief those guys gave us over the years I just assumed they were HOFers. I suppose they couldn't all get in, but NONE of them ... its never made sense to me.

I feel the same way about the Commanders from 81-91, who went to 4 SBs and won three of them, and have one player in the HOF (Riggins) and NO players from the teams that won in 87 or 92.

I have nothing against Irvin getting in, but I don't see how any fan of the game of football can look at the underrepresentation of some of the game's great teams and not scratch his head.

Getting Monk in would be a good start for the Commanders.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Hanging your hat on 106 receptions is doomed to failure. It's like suggesting James Wilder belongs in the HOF because he once held the rushing attempts in a season record.

The real question is what did he do with those 106 receptions and the answer quite frankly is - not much.

Jumping up and down yelling three Super Bowls, three Super Bowls is a non-starter also. The OL was the constant, not Monk. If Grimm got half the support that Monk gets from the fans, the writers would notice and someone who is unquestionably deserving of induction would have a much better chance.

 

[Henry]

Hanging your hat on 106 receptions is doomed to failure. It's like suggesting James Wilder belongs in the HOF because he once held the rushing attempts in a season record.

Sigh. If that's ALL Monk ever did, or if Wilder had made any other notable contribution to the game, or if the Bucs had ever won anything, ever, you might have a point.

The real question is what did he do with those 106 receptions and the answer quite frankly is - not much.

The question was, was Monk ever an elite player. The answer is yes.

It's not that complicated.

If you want to throw out players that excelled on teams that didn't accomplish much, get Largent and Lofton out right now. And Joiner. And don't bother with Reed or Carter.

Jumping up and down yelling three Super Bowls, three Super Bowls is a non-starter also. The OL was the constant, not Monk. If Grimm got half the support that Monk gets from the fans, the writers would notice and someone who is unquestionably deserving of induction would have a much better chance.

First, his records didn't accomplish much. Now he didn't contribute to championships. Make up your mind.

I agree about Grimm. Frankly Jacoby and Bostic should get a look too. If you saw my last post, I said Monk getting in would be a START, because he's been on the ballot the longest. I suspect none of those other guys will have a chance until Monk gets voted in anyway.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Sigh. If that's ALL Monk ever did, or if Wilder had made any other notable contribution to the game, or if the Bucs had ever won anything, ever, you might have a point.



The question was, was Monk ever an elite player. The answer is yes.

It's not that complicated.

If you want to throw out players that excelled on teams that didn't accomplish much, get Largent and Lofton out right now. And Joiner. And don't bother with Reed or Carter.



First, his records didn't accomplish much. Now he didn't contribute to championships. Make up your mind.

I agree about Grimm. Frankly Jacoby and Bostic should get a look too. If you saw my last post, I said Monk getting in would be a START, because he's been on the ballot the longest. I suspect none of those other guys will have a chance until Monk gets voted in anyway.

You're either very slow, reading comprehension isn't your thing or your being intentionally obtuse.

You knew darn well that my comment about Monk not doing much with his 106 receptions was in reference to his miniscule TD numbers that year and that fact that he finished with almost 200 yards less receiving than the league leader that season and only fourth in the NFL.



Plus, Jacoby, Grimm... have all been HOF eligible longer than Monk, but your already knew that but it doesn't support your argument.

 

[Henry]

You're either very slow, reading comprehension isn't your thing or your being intentionally obtuse.

You knew darn well that my comment about Monk not doing much with his 106 receptions was in reference to his miniscule TD numbers that year and that fact that he finished with almost 200 yards less receiving than the league leader that season and only fourth in the NFL.

Ah. Right. He was 4th in yards (he was like 20 yards behind the guy who finished 2nd) and 11th in TDs (1 TD behind the guy who finished 10th) that year. I guess I was being slow because I didn't think that was 'not doing much.' Irvin, 'the playmaker' was never top five in all three categories, ever, his entire career either and was never much of a TD guy himself. Does that mean he was never an elite player?

Plus, Jacoby, Grimm... have all been HOF eligible longer than Monk, but your already knew that but it doesn't support your argument.

They haven't gotten as far as Monk, so we push the guy who's had the best chance. If you don't think there's any outrage over the fact that noone from that line has ever sniffed the Hall, you're not looking very hard.