Article: Jets hope [Kenyon] Coleman fits the scheme

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Jets hope Coleman fits the scheme
Saturday, June 16, 2007
BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- It was right there on film. The Jets were looking for a defensive end who could play every down in their 3-4 scheme and couldn't believe their eyes.

Dallas Cowboys unrestricted free agent Kenyon Coleman was making plays. He was available. And he had the stamp of approval from none other than Bill Parcells, who is a mentor to Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum.

"We had done a lot of work and research on Kenyon," Tannenbaum said yesterday on Day 2 of the Jets' three-day, no-pads minicamp at Hofstra. "On film, we saw him in a similar defense, in a similar position and he improved each year. He kept getting bigger and stronger and that's a tribute to his work ethic.

"I try to bounce a lot of things off Coach Parcells. He did say nice things about Kenyon, about his work ethic. You could see him responding to the program in Dallas."

In desperate need of a quality defensive end to fit their 3-4 defense, the Jets were faced with the option of Coleman or Cleveland's Alvin McKinley on the free-agent market. They decided on Coleman, signing the career backup to a stunning five-year, $20.5 million deal that included $6 million guaranteed.

The Jets were forced to pay such a high price because Coleman was a hot commodity. Several teams, including the Browns, were interested.

Coleman, who is entering his fifth season, is expected to replace Kimo von Oelhoffen in the starting lineup. At 6-5, 295 pounds, he's expected to be a force against the run and the pass.

Coach Eric Mangini said Coleman "has excellent strength at the point of attack. That's what jumped out."

Last season, Coleman, 28, played 30 percent of the snaps, finishing with 31 tackles and four sacks. He has played behind first-round pick Marcus Spears the past two seasons. Before that, Coleman backed up first-round pick Greg Ellis for two seasons.

"It's just opportunity," said Coleman, who has 74 tackles and 6 1/2 sacks in 57 career games. "I've learned a lot but you get experience on the field. The way I look at it, God ordered my steps. It worked out perfectly. I just look forward to getting a chance here to do what I can do."

Coleman played four seasons for Parcells.

"He was going to get the best out of you," Coleman said. "He was going to work you hard. Not only that, but he prepared you for life. He put you in high-pressure situations. He demanded a lot of his players. He's a great, great coach."

Asked about his relationship with Parcells, Coleman said, "Honestly, through the years I don't think a lot was said, but obviously enough was said. He lets you know if you need to pick it up."

Coleman, who does ministry work to give back to the community, has played in the 3-4 the past four seasons under Parcells after being traded to Dallas from the Raiders. He spent one season in Oakland -- playing in one game on their Super Bowl team -- after being drafted in the fifth round out of UCLA.

"It's not so much the 3-4 or 4-3, I think it's what they want from you," Coleman said. "Some defenses they want you to get upfield. Some defenses they want you to play physical. I just think the defense here is a physical defense and that's what fits me."

Coleman admits he was surprised to strike it big in free agency after never being a full-time starter.

"To say I wasn't happy about the situation would be wrong," Coleman said. "I was glad that someone wanted to give me an opportunity and that's pretty much what free agency is about. I was in a situation where teams wanted to give me an opportunity. It was more a product of that rather than anything else.

"As far as the money goes, you play this game because you love to play. The money takes care of itself. The NFL can stand for Not For Long or Nice For Life. I'm just trying to make the most of my opportunity."

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Am I missing something here? Coleman was a "hot commodity"???

The Titans pissed themselves after signing Fowler.

The Cards are saying Al Johnson is going to solidify their O-line.

There was reason these guys were back-ups here, they are not that good. Why are other teams pissing themselves signing these backups to be starters?

Just seems weird.:confused:
 

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Beast_from_East;1530284 said:
Am I missing something here? Coleman was a "hot commodity"???

The Titans pissed themselves after signing Fowler.

The Cards are saying Al Johnson is going to solidify their O-line.

There was reason these guys were back-ups here, they are not that good. Why are other teams pissing themselves signing these backups to be starters?

Just seems weird.:confused:
Al Johnson is a starter. Kenyon Coleman is a starter. These guys are solid starters. I'm not sure what you're getting at. They're not here because we couldn't afford to keep them, and that's because they're worth starting money. Coleman's going to be a monster for the Jets.
 

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theogt;1530289 said:
Coleman's going to be a monster for the Jets.

You seriously think so? :confused:

This is a guy we got off the scrap heap from the Raiders. He couldn't beat out Ellis or Spears in a defense perfectly suited to him. He got fortunate this year to get a few sacks, but he's hardly a passrusher.

Honestly, I think he was just one of those big, weight-room-strong guys who looked impressive -- the "prototype". He may be suited to the 34, but I don't think he's ever going to be anything more than average.
 

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Coleman isn't going to be a monster for anyone. He is what he is, a solid but not spectacular player. Thats all!! Johnson has starter's ability but you know going in that he will get bullrushed and manhandled by the bigger, stronger DTs. If you're willing to accept that, then he's a solid center but thats it! These guys are no longer here for one reason only, they weren't good enough to pay big money to and we have other players at their position who we like better. Its that simple. They may fit better with other teams and do well. Thats fine by me. Who here thinks we should have payed Coleman $20 million when we have Spears, Canty, Hatcher, and Ratliff? Not me!!!!!
 

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Chocolate Lab;1530297 said:
You seriously think so? :confused:

This is a guy we got off the scrap heap from the Raiders. He couldn't beat out Ellis or Spears in a defense perfectly suited to him. He got fortunate this year to get a few sacks, but he's hardly a passrusher.

Honestly, I think he was just one of those big, weight-room-strong guys who looked impressive -- the "prototype". He may be suited to the 34, but I don't think he's ever going to be anything more than average.
Yeah, I think he'll get 7+ sacks there in '07 and be very successful for the rest of his career, unless he gets lazy because of his big contract, which is always a possibility.
 

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theogt;1530289 said:
Al Johnson is a starter. Kenyon Coleman is a starter. These guys are solid starters. I'm not sure what you're getting at. They're not here because we couldn't afford to keep them, and that's because they're worth starting money. Coleman's going to be a monster for the Jets.

Al Johnson may be a pretty decent starter, but I don't know about Coleman. 5 years and 20 million is a lot of money for a career backup who couldn't beat out Spears or Canty (who weren't great). I do agree with the point that we would have kept them if they weren't so expensive though.
 

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MCowboys;1530300 said:
Al Johnson may be a pretty decent starter, but I don't know about Coleman. 5 years and 20 million is a lot of money for a career backup who couldn't beat out Spears or Canty (who weren't great). I do agree with the point that we would have kept them if they weren't so expensive though.
If you recall, he was beating them out toward the end of '06. That's why he got the contract he did.
 

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Beast_from_East;1530284 said:
Am I missing something here? Coleman was a "hot commodity"???

The Titans pissed themselves after signing Fowler.

The Cards are saying Al Johnson is going to solidify their O-line.

There was reason these guys were back-ups here, they are not that good. Why are other teams pissing themselves signing these backups to be starters?

Just seems weird.:confused:

Or the scheme used in Dallas only allowed for players to show their potential, rather than achieving it. Whadda you think?
 

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He is not as athletic as Spears, Canty, Ratlif or Hatcher. But he is good and solid. He might have production near to what Ellis usually puts up. That is better then what several teams have had.
And for all the criticisms he got, when BP says good things about a guy to other coaches, they listen.
 

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I always thought Coleman was better than Spears in BP's 3-4 defense. He really played the run strong and could mount an occasional pass rush.

Spears could get turned against the run at times and was a non factor in the pass rush.

Hopefully the scheme changes these results under Phillips?
 

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theogt;1530289 said:
Al Johnson is a starter. Kenyon Coleman is a starter. These guys are solid starters. I'm not sure what you're getting at. They're not here because we couldn't afford to keep them, and that's because they're worth starting money. Coleman's going to be a monster for the Jets.

Agreed

I was very sad when Kenyon Coleman left... the Jets FA and Mangini are very smart and are not going to shell out money for "dough-boys" who can't play.... Coleman is a baller, and if he makes it big which he most probably will and Spears or Canty fails it is going to piss off alot of people regardless of the money issues.
 

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theogt;1530289 said:
Al Johnson is a starter. Kenyon Coleman is a starter. These guys are solid starters. I'm not sure what you're getting at. They're not here because we couldn't afford to keep them, and that's because they're worth starting money. Coleman's going to be a monster for the Jets.

They were not "starters here".

Al Johnson was backup to Andre Gurode.
Kenyon Coleman was situation pass rusher, key word is situational or backup.
Fowler was the gunner on kick coverage, never even sniffed being starter.

How do you come to the conclusion they are solid starters when they were back ups and role players here?

As far as we were not able to afford them, we are $13 mill under the freaking cap right now, more than enough money to keep those guys if we wanted to.
 

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Beast_from_East;1530372 said:
They were not "starters here".

Al Johnson was backup to Andre Gurode.
Kenyon Coleman was situation pass rusher, key word is situational or backup.
Fowler was the gunner on kick coverage, never even sniffed being starter.

How do you come to the conclusion they are solid starters when they were back ups and role players here?
At one point Romo was just a backup. I was calling him a starter and people would tell me he's nothing but a backup. It's whatever. You disagree. That's fine, I'm not too worried about whether or not you agree with me.

Just letting you know that you probably shouldn't act shocked when people disagree with your opinion.

As far as we were not able to afford them, we are $13 mill under the freaking cap right now, more than enough money to keep those guys if we wanted to.
That's just silly. I'm not even going to type a full response.
 

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Beast_from_East;1530284 said:
Am I missing something here? Coleman was a "hot commodity"???

The Titans pissed themselves after signing Fowler.

The Cards are saying Al Johnson is going to solidify their O-line.

There was reason these guys were back-ups here, they are not that good. Why are other teams pissing themselves signing these backups to be starters?

Just seems weird.:confused:

We are going to miss colemans play. He is or was greatly undervalued here. He was a much better player last year than spears, no doubt about that.

Side note too, he was the biggest guy on the team, He looked like a wwf wrestler everyweek during warmups, I could never get over the size of that guy.

Brian Broaddus a former cowboys scout said coleman was the second best pass rusher we had once ellis went down.

We will miss him, hopefully spears and hatcher will have great seasons.
 

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Angus;1530278 said:
Coleman, who does ministry work to give back to the community, has played in the 3-4 the past four seasons under Parcells after being traded to Dallas from the Raiders. He spent one season in Oakland -- playing in one game on their Super Bowl team -- after being drafted in the fifth round out of UCLA.
Umm why let the fact that we only went to a 3-4 two years ago get in the way of a good story?

Oh well...I happy for Coleman. I was one of the few people around here who was actually a fan of the guy and I'm glad things are working out well for him. I actually wish that we could have kept him here but we are pretty well stocked at DE with Canty, Spears and Hatcher...and I understand some of the rooks are looking pretty good.
 
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