Article: NFL policy too hard on players?

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NFL conduct code shields league, not its players
David Steele
Originally published May 20, 2007

The original question to Bart Scott was about whether the Ravens' offseason had a black cloud over it because of the pending court case against teammate Steve McNair, and the just-resolved case against B.J. Sams.

Scott, however, isn't the type to give simple answers. So his answer, last week at the Ravens' organized team activities in Owings Mills, led to a question of his own about the man in whose hands McNair's and Sams' fate rests, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

"Is he his own government?" Scott asked. "He can succeed the court of law?"

That does answer the original question, though. Yes, NFL players do worry that if a yearlong suspension can be slapped on a player who has yet to be charged in certain high-profile incidents or convicted in several others, anything is possible for them if they encounter legal problems of their own.

"It's tough, man," said Scott, coming off his first Pro Bowl trip. "It's like, if we're not sociable or real receptive to the fans because we don't want to put ourselves in a possibly bad situation because of something the fans might do, then in the fans' eyes and the NFL's eyes, we're bad for the league.

"But you can't put yourself in that environment, because anything can happen. It's lose-lose."

Specifically, a player can find trouble -- or, worse, trouble can find him -- and be punished with lost games or money, regardless of the severity of the infraction, a not-guilty verdict or the dropping or non-filing of charges. No one knows how the penalties work; meanwhile, cases are pending, minicamps have begun and training camp is just more than two months away.

And, worst of all, Scott says, the arbitrary decisions about a player and team's future are being made by one man.

"It's bull, man, it's bull," he said. "We've got a guy trying to make a name for himself. He's trying to put a stamp on [his tenure], and trying to do it early. He's trying to get a legacy."

It was just last fall that Scott stood near the same spot by the Ravens' practice field and pondered the danger that can befall a player merely minding his own business in a public place, who gets harassed or picked on by a fan feeling full of himself. At that time, he was talking about such a player getting seriously injured -- his ex-teammate Roderick Green stabbed at a Randallstown bowling alley, five Duquesne basketball players shot after a campus dance.

Now, if a player encounters that danger and as a result finds himself so much as "questioned" by police, as with many of the incidents involving Adam "Pacman" Jones, he can also find himself subject to a big hit by Goodell.

That is a definite exception to the idea, expressed in this space a week ago, that players ought to accept the consequences of poor judgment. It's fair to say that perfectly good judgment, not to mention positive court outcomes, can have extreme consequences, too.

Scott was merely echoing the unfairness many of his colleagues feel about that. Randallstown native Domonique Foxworth, now a Denver Broncos cornerback, voiced similar thoughts last month. Like Foxworth, Scott didn't disapprove of the idea that Jones needed to clean up his act, but of the way Goodell went about disciplining him.

McNair's driving under the influence case in Tennessee -- the one where he wasn't actually driving, of course -- is so much up in the air, not even Scott wanted to touch it. Of Sams, though, who was cleared last week of DUI charges filed last fall in Baltimore County, Scott said, "They said he was innocent. [But] whether you like it or not, perception is reality. So what's going to happen to him? [Goodell] has already set a precedent.

"He's doing what a lot of new businessmen do, put his stamp on things," Scott continued. "He wants to make the NFL model citizens, rule with an iron fist, and it seems like he doesn't want to have much of a transition period.

"I think he assumed with what he did with Pacman, it would just stop, but it didn't, did it? That's not how you stop it. You stop it with education and patience. Guys have to know what's at risk. But we know he has a $7 billion investment to protect; he doesn't want to tarnish the league's image in front of all the corporate sponsors and the people who pay the money."

Scott drew a comparison to Goodell's NBA counterpart, David Stern, and the dress code he instituted at the start of the 2005-06 regular season. It was a superficial act, Scott said, and it didn't appear to alter the league's image as much as intended.

"It's not about what clothes they're wearing. ... If the cameras weren't in their faces all the time, you'd never know what they were wearing getting off the bus anyway," he said. Goodell, he concluded, "is trying to do the same thing, but in a different way."

That thing -- one man being "his own government" -- can't be the best solution to the problem.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...y20,0,4285369.column?coll=bal-sports-football
 

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wah wah wah. Millions of people go through their ENTIRE lives never doing any of those "little" things. DUI- he was in the car and he was drunk. Too bad. Why is it that 90% of the players in the league can go through their whole careers and nothing like that happens? This article is total crap and a total toady attitude.
 

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So someone can't drink and not drive? If they're in the car at all it's a problem? I guess people shouldn't get rides home, they should sit at the bars all night or wherever. Maybe wonder around the streets or something.
 

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Roger Goodell is an employer. If an employer wants to fire his employees because they don't follow company rules, because they smoke, or because they are annoying he has the right to. Whats the big deal?

This has nothing to do with a special case for the NFL. This is how the real world is. Corporate/Business Law. If you feel like you were suspended/fired for valid reasons, sexism/ageism/racism/etc you have a case. Otherwise you have nothing.

Edit: Also, im sure not just one man is making these 'arbitrary' decisions. A group of aides, lawyers, staff help make sure the suspensions are legitimate and can be fought if appealed with success.
 

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ChldsPlay;1504227 said:
So someone can't drink and not drive? If they're in the car at all it's a problem? I guess people shouldn't get rides home, they should sit at the bars all night or wherever. Maybe wonder around the streets or something.
If someone told you they'd give you millions of dollars to play a game and all you had to do was stay out of bars for the next ten years what would you say?
 

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Article: NFL policy too hard on players?


Actually part of the problem was that the NFL was too soft on players before about these off the field issues.;)
 

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jimmy40;1504244 said:
If someone told you they'd give you millions of dollars to play a game and all you had to do was stay out of bars for the next ten years what would you say?

Bars are off-limits b/c you make more money?
 

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The issue is a Black and White issue, there is no gray here.

If an Employer tells you dont go to bars...you go to a bar. You can be fired.

Heres another example:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/9959391/detail.html

September 28, 2006, Rodrigues was still considered a new employee by the company, Scotts Lawn Service in Sagamore Beach. He had a uniform and earned a paycheck. Then, the results of his drug test showed that he's a smoker.

"They were trying to have a smoke-free company, but no one explained to me that they'd be drug testing for nicotine," he said.That means employees cannot smoke at work or in their private life. Scotts said it is paying to help current employees quit. Rodrigues' boss showed him the door.

"They're legal, and if we can smoke cigarettes legally, I don't think they should be able to say, 'We don't want people smoking, so we're going to give you a drug test now, and if you have nicotine in your system, you're done,'" Rodrigues said.

According to the company, it's an economic issue. The company said it is trying to reduce escalating health care rates, and it claims each smoker could cost the company an additional $4,000 a year. That raises insurance premiums. Representatives said, "It's unfair for us to ask our employees to pay for the cost of smoking."
In the NFLs case, it is also an economic issue. The behaviour of these miscreants can create a negative reputation for the league which can causes less revenue.
 

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Hypnotoad;1504254 said:
The issue is a Black and White issue, there is no gray here.

If an Employer tells you dont go to bars...you go to a bar. You can be fired.

Heres another example:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/9959391/detail.html

In the NFLs case, it is also an economic issue. The behaviour of these miscreants can create a negative reputation for the league which can causes less revenue.

If you don't like the rules, don't play. It really is that simple.
 

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ChldsPlay;1504227 said:
So someone can't drink and not drive? If they're in the car at all it's a problem? I guess people shouldn't get rides home, they should sit at the bars all night or wherever. Maybe wonder around the streets or something.


The driver was drunk too
 

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NFL policy too hard on players?
No. They were to easy before and now Goodell has the stones to throw the book at players and they are finally getting what they deserved all along.
 

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Actually I understand Goodall has selected 6 NFL players, most of them are NFLPA reps who provide him with their view on individual cases after the NFL has thoroughly investigated the incidents. These investigations include talking to police officials, court records, warrants, arrest sheet, etc. Goodall doesn't sit up in his ivory tower and thru a dart against the wall and say "I guess I'll suspend Pacman" for a year. Stop assuming Goodall is an idiot. Also a lot of players, maybe most, have a clause in their contract re conduct detrimental to the team and the NFL and what can happen to them. Pacman has been arrested/charged, under indictment, being sued about 10 times since he's been in the NFL. If you all think he's such a model citizen, then take up a collection to pay his attorney's bills.

There is no right to play in the NFL; it is a privilege and those players whose outrageous behavior harms the NFL imagine can go pick cantalope. As for claiming Goodell is being racist or anything else, the guy has been Commish for a few months. He moves cautiously but smartly. Suspending Pacman was probably an easy decision once all the information was available to him. Do some of you really believe Pacman's attorney included all the derogatory the NFL has on him? Get real.

Finally, I don't know what will be done about Vick but it won't be done by the Commish until he's sure he's got info evidence/info which can support his decision. Sounds like there are too many people on these board who believe athletes have special rights to any anything they want. Well, get a grip cause they don't. If Pacman doesn't want an NFL career, all he has to do is continue on the way he has. Of course somebody could just get tired of him and end the situation.
 

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big dog cowboy;1504300 said:
No. They were to easy before and now Goodell has the stones to throw the book at players and they are finally getting what they deserved all along.

:hammer:
 

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As a Raven's fan and a fan of football in general I want to thank Bart Scott for actually learning something in college and for being such a bright dude.

However, he is coming from a perspective of a player who keeps his nose clean.

Obviously Goodell needs to impose such strict rules to prevent other idiots like Pacman from sullying the leagues image.

If all players conducted themselves like Scott, Goodell would never impose rules such as this....surely Scott knows that.
 
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