Assume QB/QB for Rams/Eagles. What is Ramsey or Tunsil worth?

[DallasBlockersClub]

One of the biggest concerns from a trade down perspective is that the Cowboys might not get the value that the four pick is worth. With now either Ramsey or Tunsil locked into the 4 spot, does that raise the value of the cowboys pick? We gave up our first and a second to move from 14 (?) to 6 to grab Morris. Is that about what we could expect from the four spot?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I don't think there is as much of a clamor for Ramsey as some think. Many still view him as a tweener without a clear cut position. Tunsil would be the best hope for Dallas I think.

I love seeing the Eagles throw away this draft and their number one next year at the same time that they have paid big money deals to Bradford and Daniel. LMAO.

Smart move for Browns, so many needs, positions them to build the next two years and if Griffin fails, they can draft their next QB with a solid foundation around him. They would be smart to load up on OL and defense.

 

[Killerinstinct]

One of the biggest concerns from a trade down perspective is that the Cowboys might not get the value that the four pick is worth. With now either Ramsey or Tunsil locked into the 4 spot, does that raise the value of the cowboys pick? We gave up our first and a second to move from 14 (?) to 6 to grab Morris. Is that about what we could expect from the four spot?

As much as these QB's are being over-hyped maybe SF will trade up to 4 for Lynch.

 

[DFWJC]

One of the biggest concerns from a trade down perspective is that the Cowboys might not get the value that the four pick is worth. With now either Ramsey or Tunsil locked into the 4 spot, does that raise the value of the cowboys pick? We gave up our first and a second to move from 14 (?) to 6 to grab Morris. Is that about what we could expect from the four spot?

They are possibly the only two players rated high enough to be picked in the top five of an average NFL draft.
Some team may also have Bosa and Zeke in there too, but Tunsil and Ramsey are the two "definites"
The clamor is probably for the dominant left tackle though.

But already the two trade-ups have shown the team trading up paying about 10% less than the old charts, so that may be all that can be expected. You rarely see a trade go outside +/- 10%..and it's usually closer to 5%.

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

They are possibly the only two players rated high enough to be picked in the top five of an average NFL draft.
Some team may also have Bosa and Zeke in there too, but Tunsil and Ramsey are the two "definites"
The clamor is probably for the dominant left tackle though.

But already the two trade-ups have shown the team trading up paying about 10% less than the old charts, so that may be all that can be expected. You rarely see a trade go outside +/- 10%..and it's usually closer to 5%.

That's a good point. If anything on my first glance it looked like the Eagles paid less than I expected to move from 8 to 2, while still being a king's ransom.

 

[AzorAhai]

Tunsil being on the board is best case scenario for us now. He's the only player you might be able to extract full value from a trade down with. At this point I just want to bail to whoever is willing to give me a future 1st. I'd even take a 2018 1st if it means a better deal.

 

[casmith07]

I don't think there is as much of a clamor for Ramsey as some think. Many still view him as a tweener without a clear cut position. Tunsil would be the best hope for Dallas I think.

I love seeing the Eagles throw away this draft and their number one next year at the same time that they have paid big money deals to Bradford and Daniel. LMAO.

Smart move for Browns, so many needs, positions them to build the next two years and if Griffin fails, they can draft their next QB with a solid foundation around him. They would be smart to load up on OL and defense.

I think Robert Griffin will find good success in Cleveland under Hue Jackson, especially with all of these resources to construct an offensive line.

 

[reddyuta]

Tunsil being on the board is best case scenario for us now. He's the only player you might be able to extract full value from a trade down with. At this point I just want to bail to whoever is willing to give me a future 1st. I'd even take a 2018 1st if it means a better deal.

Future 1? I would gladly take a 2nd rder to move a few spots.

 

[CATCH17]

I think Robert Griffin will find good success in Cleveland under Hue Jackson, especially with all of these resources to construct an offensive line.

And if he doesn't they have ammo to go up again..

Supposedly they want to trade down some more.

They may end up with 3 1sts next year and a boat load of top 100 picks in this draft.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't see anyone trading up to #4 now. They all know we aren't going to draft Tunsil. I'll be surprised if SD and Dallas don't both make their selections where they are....SD--Ramsey or Tunsil; Dallas--Ramsey or Bosa. I still see no way we have any true interest in Zeke at #4. The real question is can we make any type of move down for Lawson or would be actually take him above Bosa. I think Dallas would only be truly happy with Ramsey at #4. Finding a trade partner if SD takes him will be truly difficult.

 

[AzorAhai]

Future 1? I would gladly take a 2nd rder to move a few spots.

I'm talking about a big drop. To whomever is willing to give a 2017 or 2018 1st with some additional top 100 picks this year. I don't care about getting full value. I want to accumulate future picks because it's become all apparent we're not going to have a QB waiting in the wings. Accumulate picks, hope Rosen pans out and have ammunition to go get him. Especially if Lawrence is going to be suspended as well.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm going to guess that Dallas can get between 1650 and 1800 chart value for 4th pick.
IF they find a partner.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

 

[AzorAhai]

I don't see anyone trading up to #4 now. They all know we aren't going to draft Tunsil. I'll be surprised if SD and Dallas don't both make their selections where they are....SD--Ramsey or Tunsil; Dallas--Ramsey or Bosa. I still see no way we have any true interest in Zeke at #4. The real question is can we make any type of move down for Lawson or would be actually take him above Bosa. I think Dallas would only be truly happy with Ramsey at #4. Finding a trade partner if SD takes him will be truly difficult.

Who cares if Dallas is taking Tunsil or not? The goal would be to get ahead of Jax pr Baltimore to get him, not trade with the Cowboys to convince them not to.

 

[tyke1doe]

As much as these QB's are being over-hyped maybe SF will trade up to 4 for Lynch.

Why? The Ravens and Jaguars already have their quarterbacks. The Cowboys are either going to take Lynch for themselves or they're going to pass. The teams beyond San Fran that may be interested in acquiring Lynch are Chicago #11, New Orleans #12 or Buffalo #19. I doubt the Bears are going to jump up because they have so many other needs. New Orleans is still riding with Drew Brees. And I doubt the Bills are going to give up a king's ransom to get to #4.
The Cowboys really don't have any more leverage. We may have to face facts, if Tunsil is not on the board when we pick, we have lost an opportunity to trade down, and we may just have to go with who's there when we pick.

 

[egn22]

If Ramsey's there I don't want to trade at all. I'd just pick him

 

[baltcowboy]

One of the biggest concerns from a trade down perspective is that the Cowboys might not get the value that the four pick is worth. With now either Ramsey or Tunsil locked into the 4 spot, does that raise the value of the cowboys pick? We gave up our first and a second to move from 14 (?) to 6 to grab Morris. Is that about what we could expect from the four spot?

I live in Baltimore and all I here is the Ravens would love Ramsey to fall to them. They had some guy on the radio today speculating the Cowboys draft Elliott and Jacksonville will draft Jack. I think Tampa might also be interested in moving up for Ramsey. Don't know much about Tunsell.

 

[tyke1doe]

Tunsil being on the board is best case scenario for us now. He's the only player you might be able to extract full value from a trade down with. At this point I just want to bail to whoever is willing to give me a future 1st. I'd even take a 2018 1st if it means a better deal.

San Diego has first dibs on a trade up for Tunsil, if they don't take him, that is.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't see anyone trading up to #4 now. They all know we aren't going to draft Tunsil. I'll be surprised if SD and Dallas don't both make their selections where they are....SD--Ramsey or Tunsil; Dallas--Ramsey or Bosa. I still see no way we have any true interest in Zeke at #4. The real question is can we make any type of move down for Lawson or would be actually take him above Bosa. I think Dallas would only be truly happy with Ramsey at #4. Finding a trade partner if SD takes him will be truly difficult.

You think a team wouldn't be interested in trading up for Tunsil?

 

[AzorAhai]

San Diego has first dibs on a trade up for Tunsil, if they don't take him, that is.

Thats why I said above best case scenario for us is Tunsil is available at 4. If he's not, I just don't see a team giving up anything of significance to come get Bosa/Ramsey/Buckner/Zeke. I definitely don't see anyone willing to move far enough up to give a future 1st. Maybe a team in the 7-10 range would be willing to give up a 3rd/4th to move up, but at that point I just stay and make the pick.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Tennessee is coming back to the party armed with tons of picks. They want Tunsil and need him to protect MM. Losing Weddle makes Ramsey automatic IMO to SD