Assuming that Michael Huff is a lock

[Galian Beast]

Who do you want to see us draft in round one?

I'm sticking with offensive line here.

USC - Tyron Smith

We got to protect Romo. Period point blank.

This is further investment in Tony Romo.

If we get Michael Huff, and perhaps can resign Sensabaugh (I know a lot of us still aren't over the embarrassing in Minnesota). I think our secondary should rebound. Whats probably more key is improving our pass rush. I think scheme should make a huge difference.

Wade Phillips defense while at times aggressive always seemed REALLY vanilla. Just a straight up beat your man approach, just didn't work.

 

[DallasEast]

For the most part, I agree about the importance of the offensive line--in particular, the right side. What must also be considered is that the large numbers of available free agents may be pose a factor in the team's player acquisition strategy.

That would make that particular strategy solely dependent on the resolution of the current labor dispute, but doesn't dismiss it as well. That said, it would not surprise me that the front office could drop down in the first round and draft an offensive lineman mid-to-late round; OR seek one or more in the upper rounds outside of the first.

In any case, I'm anxious for the draft to get here. Until proven otherwise, I think that Jerry and Stephen Jones will explore and exhaust all avenues for obtaining Patrick Peterson, even if they secure Michael Huff's services. I will put that expectation to rest only after I see another team hand in their card for Peterson before Dallas does.

 

[Duane]

In my opinion we need two starters or potential starters on the offensive line in the first three rounds. So I'm all for taking one of the op tackles in the 1st round and a guard, guard/center in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[visionary]

For the most part, I agree about the importance of the offensive line--in particular, the right side. What must also be considered is that the large numbers of available free agents may be pose a factor in the team's player acquisition strategy.

That would make that particular strategy solely dependent on the resolution of the current labor dispute, but doesn't dismiss it as well. That said, it would not surprise me that the front office could drop down in the first round and draft an offensive lineman mid-to-late round; OR seek one or more in the upper rounds outside of the first.

In any case, I'm anxious for the draft to get here. Until proven otherwise, I think that Jerry and Stephen Jones will explore and exhaust all avenues for obtaining Patrick Peterson, even if they secure Michael Huff's services. I will put that expectation to rest only after I see another team hand in their card for Peterson before Dallas does.

DE, just curious
there are several people on htis board whose opinion i value regarding NFL and you are one of them

i know PP is an elite athlete but

there are some questions about his weight at CB and that he might need to transition to FS and

the relative value of OT vs FS

would you prefer a blue chip OT at 9 and still keep our 2nd or 3rd picks or trade up for PP and lose one of these

i know I would prefer to stay at 9 and take the OT even if PP is there at 6 or 7

 

[speedkilz88]

DE, just curious
there are several people on htis board whose opinion i value regarding NFL and you are one of them

i know PP is an elite athlete but

there are some questions about his weight at CB and that he might need to transition to FS and

the relative value of OT vs FS

would you prefer a blue chip OT at 9 and still keep our 2nd or 3rd picks or trade up for PP and lose one of these

i know I would prefer to stay at 9 and take the OT even if PP is there at 6 or 7

When the Cowboys drafted Dez he was 225, the Cowboys told him to lose weight. I would imagine that Peterson will be told also. I remember the Eagles had cb bobby taylor who played at 215.

 

[supercowboy8]

this draft doesn't offer any great safeties and not many good ones.
Aaron Williams might be the best one.I don't see any day one starting safeties that will make an impact. So I think Huff is a must.
So I will stay at OT. If we stay at 9 then it has to be Tyron Smith.
We can go CB/DE in the 2nd or OG if a top OG falls to 40.
3rd round I think Rackley is a must if we don't go OG in the 2nd.

 

[johnnyd]

When the Cowboys drafted Dez he was 225, the Cowboys told him to lose weight. I would imagine that Peterson will be told also. I remember the Eagles had cb bobby taylor who played at 215.

This is a great point . Outside of the fact that we would have to trade up to get him , The biggest argument against PP is mostly his weight. If Tyron smith can gain wait and keep it on with ease then im pretty sure that petey can lose a few pounds just as easily. There both blue chip prospects and i would be happy with either player.

 

[DFWJC]

OT has to addressed early. Whether it is at 9 or is late in Rd 1, I don't care. As long as the staff feels the value is there and they are getting a player that can step in right away or very soon, then I'm fine.

We keep plugging in Tyron at 9th. That works with one huge IF....it works if we actually value him at or vwery near 9th. If we have Smith lumped in with 2-3 other OTs, then we should not take him at 9.

We know how we rank players, but that really is meaningless to the Cowboys.
I don't know where we have him ranked--maybe it is very high-- but if you don't maximize value in a draft, you lose.


Next.
As far as Corners and Safties. I don't think their is nearly the distinction between the two now as there was a decade ago.

Ideally, they should ALL be able to cover and tackle. Todays offenses make this a must.
So to me, Peterson's size is really not an issue. You can put him anywhere in the secondary and he can shine--which is a nightmare for OCs.

 

[visionary]

This is a great point . Outside of the fact that we would have to trade up to get him , The biggest argument against PP is mostly his weight. If Tyron smith can gain wait and keep it on with ease then im pretty sure that petey can lose a few pounds just as easily. There both blue chip prospects and i would be happy with either player.

this may be true but my point is that we need to factor in:

1. relative importance of OT vs FS
2. having to give up #2 or #3 for PP vs keeping those picks if we take TS

taking all these factors into account make the TS pick a no brainer IMO

 

[TheCount]

Since we have Free, I'm not as desperate as most to spend that first rounder on a tackle. I'm open to anything in the 1st, I think you have to take the best rated guy there, not reach for Tyron just because you need a tackle.

There are a whole list of guys I think would be great on the right side for us that will be available after the 1st round: Marcus Cannon, James Carpenter, Ben Ijalana, Marcus Gilbert, James Brewer. Maybe even Jason Pinkston or Will Rackley can work out at RT.

 

[burmafrd]

This is a great point . Outside of the fact that we would have to trade up to get him , The biggest argument against PP is mostly his weight. If Tyron smith can gain wait and keep it on with ease then im pretty sure that petey can lose a few pounds just as easily. There both blue chip prospects and i would be happy with either player.

losing weight or gaining weight is NEVER a certainty. don't ever think so. Bobby Taylor was decent to good. Never really more than that.

 

[burmafrd]

OT has to addressed early. Whether it is at 9 or is late in Rd 1, I don't care. As long as the staff feels the value is there and they are getting a player that can step in right away or very soon, then I'm fine.

We keep plugging in Tyron at 9th. That works with one huge IF....it works if we actually value him at or vwery near 9th. If we have Smith lumped in with 2-3 other OTs, then we should not take him at 9.

We know how we rank players, but that really is meaningless to the Cowboys.
I don't know where we have him ranked--maybe it is very high-- but if you don't maximize value in a draft, you lose.


Next.
As far as Corners and Safties. I don't think their is nearly the distinction between the two now as there was a decade ago.

Ideally, they should ALL be able to cover and tackle. Todays offenses make this a must.
So to me, Peterson's size is really not an issue. You can put him anywhere in the secondary and he can shine--which is a nightmare for OCs.

Anytime you make VALUE a priority you lose. All that matters is if you think this guy is a player and will make the team better - worrying about value makes people get cute about trading up 5 slots and down 5 slots which fails a lot more often than it works.

 

[TheCount]

Anytime you make VALUE a priority you lose. All that matters is if you think this guy is a player and will make the team better - worrying about value makes people get cute about trading up 5 slots and down 5 slots which fails a lot more often than it works.

I gotta disagree, value works both ways. You could trade up for a guy because you believe his value is worth more than the picks you're giving up for him. That's still taking value into account.

Trading for the sake of trading will often get you in trouble, but there are teams that have made a killing trading down and still getting a guy that they are after.

If you do your homework before the draft, you should never be "settling" for a prospect, otherwise why draft him at all?

 

[burmafrd]

value should never be a priority. You identify who is worth that particular rounds status and then work from there. If that player is worth at best a mid round pick and you have early round, trading down is ok or trading up if he is early rd and you have a mid rd. BUT NEVER get hung up on position. We have screwed the pooch before by thinking that since we are at 12 he is only worth maybe a 16 and therefore we trade down and then miss him by one or two slots (Unger is an OUTSTANDING example of that). The right move is take the guy. Never get cute.

 

[unionjack8]

Since we have Free, I'm not as desperate as most to spend that first rounder on a tackle. I'm open to anything in the 1st, I think you have to take the best rated guy there, not reach for Tyron just because you need a tackle.

There are a whole list of guys I think would be great on the right side for us that will be available after the 1st round: Marcus Cannon, James Carpenter, Ben Ijalana, Marcus Gilbert, James Brewer. Maybe even Jason Pinkston or Will Rackley can work out at RT.

stop using the word reach. how can a guy routinely rated 9-13 by most experts be a reach at 9?

 

[TheCount]

stop using the word reach. how can a guy routinely rated 9-13 by most experts be a reach at 9?

Routinely rated by who? No one, myself included, KNOWS where the actual teams have anyone rated.

I have Tyron in my mocks because it makes sense for us and there is lots of upside, that doesn't mean I feel he's a Top 10 overall prospect. I don't even think he's one of the 15 best players in the draft, but that's just my own opinion.

 

[casmith07]

DE, just curious
there are several people on htis board whose opinion i value regarding NFL and you are one of them

i know PP is an elite athlete but

there are some questions about his weight at CB and that he might need to transition to FS and

the relative value of OT vs FS

would you prefer a blue chip OT at 9 and still keep our 2nd or 3rd picks or trade up for PP and lose one of these

i know I would prefer to stay at 9 and take the OT even if PP is there at 6 or 7

When the Cowboys drafted Dez he was 225, the Cowboys told him to lose weight. I would imagine that Peterson will be told also. I remember the Eagles had cb bobby taylor who played at 215.

Peterson runs like a gazelle at his current weight. I'm not sure why you'd want to change that.

force = (mass)*(acceleration)

 

[Teague31]

not sure why everyone assumes huff is coming here. ryan benched the guy when he was DC for the raiders.

 

[DFWJC]

Anytime you make VALUE a priority you lose. All that matters is if you think this guy is a player and will make the team better - worrying about value makes people get cute about trading up 5 slots and down 5 slots which fails a lot more often than it works.

You and I do may not perceive value on the same terms then.

To me, value is, for example, is rating a player near 9 or higher and getting him at 9 or higher. Not taking a player at 9 that you have ranked at 20 just because you have to fill a need--this when you have a dozen other "better" players (at least by your scouting) still on the board.
To me, that is disasterous.

By you how you describe value, you see a guy that you think can make you team better, so you take him at 9 (for example) even you you have a dozen or maybe even two dozen players that you think are better players and will have better careers and would make your team even better.

Value is relative.

I'm assuming the Cowboys have 100 players on their baord that they think can make their team better--all ranked according to how good they are and what their value is.
And no, moving 1-2 slots to exactly fit your draft board would be nuts unless you had it locked in with no risk--which is rare.

Now trading just to spolit hairs and be cute IS a waste. Exhibit "A" was our 2009 draft.
So we agree there.

 

[TheCount]

Peterson runs like a gazelle at his current weight. I'm not sure why you'd want to change that.

force = (mass)*(acceleration)

So that he can run like a predator, and not prey? :laugh2: