At wide receiver, LeBron James

[tomson75]

He is too slow for WR. Tight ends run 4.5s.
How many sucessful WR do you know that run a 4.5?

Sure, he could play catch all day.
1) We don't know if he is drop-prone
2)all you need to play with him is press
3)He would be in the coverage of LBs so we would have to take that in consideration.

He has the build of a TE. That's what I said.
I can't believe you're arguing so hard about something that would never happen.

You're compounding stupid comment after stupid comment.

1. He's too slow for wide receiver. Check.
2. You compared him to Matt Jones. Check.
3. A 5'11" CB could play press against a 6'8" 270lb receiver. Check.
4. You think he may be drop prone. Check.

The only thing you've said with any merit is that he has the build of a TE. So what? There are exceptions to every rule. LeBron is the epitome of exceptional. The guy is a freak of nature. You could create mismatches in so many ways it makes my head spin.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but EVERYTHING suggests he'd be highly successful in the NFL.

...and how am I arguing "so hard". I'm barely even trying.

 

[tomson75]

I didn't argue that it would be impossible for him to make the move, I simply stated that he would make a better TE than a WR.

That's not what you said. You said that he's "too slow for WR". You suggested that he couldn't do it. Obviously, people disagree.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

What constitutes successful? I'd say if you were one of the 200 (IDK- give or take) WR's in the NFL you'd be a success at it.

OMG, this is ridiculous.
I love it how everyone takes my argument word by word and nitpicks but I get owned if I do the same. Sure one could say success in the NFL is playing in the NFL, but at the end of the day who is successful Crayton or T.O.?

I'm done.

ALL I SAID IS THAT LEBRON HAS THE BUILD OF A TE, NOT A WR.
While yes, he could play WR, why would you put him there when he could be a better TE.

 

[THUMPER]

I didn't argue that it would be impossible for him to make the move, I simply stated that he would make a better TE than a WR.

At what point in my post did you think I was disagreeing with you? I just stated that we had drafted Riley and I though Malone would have been a great TE. I didn't mention James at all.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

You're compounding stupid comment after stupid comment.

1. He's too slow for wide receiver. Check.
2. You compared him to Matt Jones. Check.
3. A 5'11" CB could play press against a 6'8" 270lb receiver. Check.
4. You think he may be drop prone. Check.

The only thing you've said with any merit is that he has the build of a TE. So what? There are exceptions to every rule. LeBron is the epitome of exceptional. The guy is a freak of nature. You could create mismatches in so many ways it makes my head spin.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but EVERYTHING suggests he'd be highly successful in the NFL.

...and how am I arguing "so hard". I'm barely even trying.

Most of the time, he would be playing against Zone D with LBs as well. That makes a huge difference since he's not a burner.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

At what point in my post did you think I was disagreeing with you? I just stated that we had drafted Riley and I though Malone would have been a great TE. I didn't mention James at all.

I didn't said you disagree, I'm using your post to show that someone sees BB players a better match a TE.

I was responding to the other 3-4 people arguing against my posts.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[jobberone]

He is too slow for WR. Tight ends run 4.5s.
How many sucessful WR do you know that run a 4.5?

Sure, he could play catch all day.
1) We don't know if he is drop-prone
2)all you need to play with him is press
3)He would be in the coverage of LBs so we would have to take that in consideration.

He has the build of a TE. That's what I said.
I can't believe you're arguing so hard about something that would never happen.

TEs do not run 4.5 in general at all. 4.5+ to 4.6+. There is a noticable difference in 4.5 and 4.56. I suspect he could learn to run routes. His size is no different than Bennetts who is also noticably faster than most TEs in the league.

His athleticism and quickness would not be easily matched. He could play right now. He'd just get better. He would be a better TE than a WR but either he or Bennett could split wide more than a little bit.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

That's not what you said. You said that he's "too slow for WR". You suggested that he couldn't do it. Obviously, people disagree.

4.3 to 4.4s are the standard for WR. At 4.5 he is slow.
TE 4.5 is a great 40 time. With his size, he would be extremely sucessful at TE.

Why would we put Witten at Fullback if we can have him at TE?
Similar build, speed, etc... But better match in position.

 

[tomson75]

4.3 to 4.4s are the standard for WR. At 4.5 he is slow.
TE 4.5 is a great 40 time. With his size, he would be extremely sucessful at TE.

Why would we put Witten at Fullback if we can have him at TE?
Similar build, speed, etc... But better match in position.

Dude. Seriously?

 

[Texan_Eph89]

TEs do not run 4.5 in general at all. 4.5+ to 4.6+. There is a noticable difference in 4.5 and 4.56. I suspect he could learn to run routes. His size is no different than Bennetts who is also noticably faster than most TEs in the league.

His athleticism and quickness would not be easily matched. He could play right now. He'd just get better. He would be a better TE than a WR but either he or Bennett could split wide more than a little bit.

I completely agree.
"He could play WR (I said that), but he would make a better TE."

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Dude. Seriously?

That's exactly what you would be advocating by putting LeBron at WR.
His physical makeup is better fitted to TE.
SURE, he can play WR. He would be slow (not crawling slow of course, but slow enought to make a difference). He could play slot from time to time, but overall he'd be a better TE in the NFL.

 

[THUMPER]

I didn't said you disagree, I'm using your post to show that someone sees BB players a better match a TE.

I was responding to the other 3-4 people arguing against my posts.

Sorry for the confusion.

Ah, OK. I was confused.

 

[jackrussell]

VIDEO LINK

 

[SLATEmosphere]

4.3 to 4.4s are the standard for WR. At 4.5 he is slow.
TE 4.5 is a great 40 time. With his size, he would be extremely sucessful at TE.

Why would we put Witten at Fullback if we can have him at TE?
Similar build, speed, etc... But better match in position.

Are you serious??

Fitz,Andre Johnson,Boldin,Plaxico,Braylon,Bowe are all great WR who DO NOT RUN A 4.4..

your argument is weak..I Dont know where you get off saying 4.5 is slow for a WR..The players I mentioned are all "lebron" type players

 

[tomson75]

That's exactly what you would be advocating by putting LeBron at WR.
His physical makeup is better fitted to TE.
SURE, he can play WR. He would be slow (not crawling slow of course, but slow enought to make a difference). He could play slot from time to time, but overall he'd be a better TE in the NFL.

Guess how many TE's ran a 4.50 40 at last year's combine?

That's right....NONE.

Now, would you like to discuss how many successful receivers in the NFL ran a 4.5?

I've already agreed that his body is more like that of a TE, yet you continue to suggest he can't play WR because he's "too slow".

It's just not true. Your repeating it won't make it true.

The fact is, you or I have no idea what his best position would be. Hell, he could be a beast of a DE for all we know....but to say he's too slow for WR is just dumb.

...and 4.3 is not the "standard for WR".

I won't even get into the fact that 99% of people improve on their 40 time from high school. He never even had the training for it that all of your 4.3 guys did.

Oh yeah....can he block? Dunno.

There are too many variables to consider here, but speed isn't one that limits him in any way.

 

[tomson75]

VIDEO LINK

Looked an awful lot like a WR in that video.

 

[Venger]

The ULTIMATE possession receiver. But, could he stand up to the pounding?

P.S. GOD ALMIGHTY I hate those State Farm commercials with that ridiculous unharmonious obnoxious grinding lifestealing asswhipping buzzkilling music and lyrics by the Dark Lord Satan himself...

 

[casmith07]

6 8..275 pounds

vertical...50 inches

40 time...4.5

DISGUSTING.

hahaha. I guess if he decides to become a 2-sport athlete in 2010 with free agency, we could give him a workout. :laugh2:

 

[JordanTaber]

A tight end running sub-4.6 is an oddity. 4.6-range is considered excellent for a TE.

And as for 4.5...while players are getting their times down, well more than half the receivers in football can't run better than 4.5.

 

[NeonDeion21]

LeBron James is just a freak. There is no way a 5'11 cb could ever jam him. No cb could ever out jump him. His hands are awesome so I don't think he would have much of a problem catching the ball. And as for the speed, 4.5 and 4.4 aren't that big of a difference in shorts. It would depends how he runs in pads but i tend to think he still would be as fast as anyone on the field. JMO