Audio: Irvin Show discusses Aikman(with his audio) - 4/7/09

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Earlier today Troy Aikman was playing pitchman for Wingspot, which will be the company who will be feeding people at the new stadium, and he got in some Cowboys talk with the media.

I figured I would check into The Michael Irvin Show and see if they were discussing what Troy had to say.

Turns out they were, but they began the festivities a few minutes before I got on board.

So we begin with these quotes from Aikman which the DMN Blog posted, read here.


When asked Tuesday if Williams was ready for the No. 1 receiving role, Aikman said, "Well, he better [be.]
"I don't think you can give up what the Cowboys gave up for somebody and not make that a sure bet," Aikman said. "This isn't like drafting a No. 1 receiver out of the college draft and then saying, 'Well, we think he's got all the skills to be a great player for us.' He's been in the NFL. He's caught balls in the NFL. They've got a lot of tape on him, and they had the ability to talk to a lot of people who had coached him, played against him, played with him.
"If Roy Williams doesn't turn out to be the player they thought he would be when they made the trade, I think this would be one of the biggest busts in the history of the league."
So not just the biggest trade bust in the history of the Cowboys. The entire NFL? Here's where ol' No. 8 drove his point home - perhaps too close to home if you're team owner Jerry Jones.
"I just think that when you have the chance to evaluate a player to the degree the Cowboys were able to and then to give up what you gave up," Aikman said, "if he's not a No. 1 receiver and not a highly productive player for this team, that's a huge flaw within their scouting department."
More than anything those last comment tell me that Jason Garrett was not the main guy from the Cowboys who was looking to bring in Roy Williams in that trade. Aikman is very close with Garrett and I take those quotes as a way to let us know that Jerry and the scouting department were the real people who made that trade happen.

Here's where the Irvin Show checked in with some discussion on these comments above from Aikman. Then the rest of the audio is self explanatory...(sorry about some of the whistling in the audio)

Irvin Show talks Aikman comments

That's good stuff from Mike and Big Nate.

Nate is right. That trade was made while Jerry was in panic mode. But it doesn't mean that it can't wind up being a good trade for the Cowboys.

As long as Roy, Tony and Jason Garrett can find some chemistry and determine how Roy will be best used along side the other weapons in this offense everything should work out just fine. Roy doesn't have to be Terrell Owens, he just has to be productive and help the offense put up points on a consistent basis.

Trading for Roy didn't force Terrell Owens to be cut. And I think we should take this into account about Roy's time in Detroit. He started out pretty well and maybe after seeing how the franchise was being run the kid just lost his way a little. Would you be in the right state of mind and at your best all the time if you were playing for the Lions?

Roy can be a different guy now that he's in Dallas. It might take a full season with this offense, but I do think in time he will find his role on this team.

I like the idea of the Cowboys being 'Romo Friendly', but maybe it wasn't the best idea to tell everyone publicly that the team was trying to be 'Romo Friendly'. If the offense begins to struggle at all this season we are going to hear this term being used and abused in just about every article that states that Romo is the root of all the problems. And trust me, it's never one player on the offense or the defense who makes a unit go or not go.

It was pretty clear to me that this team was too up and down last season. When things were going good the team enjoyed each other on the field. But when the train starting sliding off the tracks then you saw some players walking around as if they weren't interested in finding a way to get the train back on the track.

That's about 'togetherness'. Some guys didn't like other players enough to want to look under every rock (which would be to talk to every player on that team in hopes of finding some answers) in hopes of making sure this team accomplished it's goals.

I say it all the time. You can't have any player become bigger than the team. If that happens, which Nate makes the great point that that's exactly what happened with #81 whether it was his fault or not, you are not going to be a good football team come Sunday.

That last statement from Michael hit the nail on the head!!!

It was never about #81 wanting to get his touches and being a big part of the offense. But when that didn't happen and he became a cry baby and a complainer then his actions were detrimental to the team.

Again, sorry the quality of the audio. Had a different set up this time around due to short notice.
 

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Classic case of a bird in one hand and two in the bush. We let the bird in our hand go, now come hell to high water we better get at least one of the birds in the bush else it will be a long season.
 

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adbutcher;2720126 said:
Classic case of a bird in one hand and two in the bush. We let the bird in our hand go, now come hell to high water we better get at least one of the birds in the bush else it will be a long season.

I have a bird or two that will fly out if we are doing bad in games.:D
 

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Nate is right. That trade was made while Jerry was in panic mode. But it doesn't mean that it can't wind up being a good trade for the Cowboys.
Jerry had been trying to trade for Roy for about two years, how in the world can it be called a panic move?
 

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speedkilz88;2720308 said:
Jerry had been trying to trade for Roy for about two years, how in the world can it be called a panic move?

Because the offense was sputtering and Pacman had just gotten suspended.

And he gave up too much for him. You trying to tell me Jerry had offered that same deal the whole time and the Lions didn't take it? Jerry had no advantage in trading for him at the time he did with it being so close to the deadline.

Smells like a little panic to me.
 

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dcfanatic;2720082 said:
Roy can be a different guy now that he's in Dallas. It might take a full season with this offense, but I do think in time he will find his role on this team.
And despite sputtering in his debut his the Cowboys last season, Roy Williams is doing the right things in preparation for the '09 campaign.

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Williams appreciates the confidence Jones and coach Wade Phillips have shown in him.

But he is admittedly motivated to come back with a big season in 2009 to show everyone he is more than capable of handling the job. It is one reason he and Romo began throwing over a month ago -- well before the start of the off-season program and before the team released Owens. The two play catch roughly four days a week in an attempt to create trust and chemistry.

"We were doing it before (T.O.) got cut," Williams said. "I came in the middle of the season. I probably got thrown to 24 times the whole season. I had to get (Romo's) confidence. We had to get on the same page. So we had to start early. Everything is going good. We are trying to get that connection."

Williams said his foot is healthy and he is running and cutting with ease.

And now the same reasons that people question his numbers in Detroit are why he thinks the best is yet to come for him in Dallas as everything is in place for him to succeed. He is playing with a Pro Bowl quarterback, a solid running game, a Pro Bowl tight end and a capable offensive line.

"My biggest thing is winning," Williams said. "All I want to do is win. My goal is 75 catches, 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns. But if I catch two balls and win that will be OK. I'm trying to prepare myself for the season. I am trying to get myself better to make this team better."

Regarding the critics, Williams said: "I respect them but I don't play for them. I play for myself, my teammates and the fans. If we win games, that's all that matters.

Roy E. knows a lot is expected from him given what Jerry Jones gave up to acquire him and the extension he signed prior to playing a down with the team.
 

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Troy needs to watch some 2006 or 2007 tape of Williams and have some balance to his critique. He acts like he's a scrub. Ask the Titans if they would like to have him.

Plus, Aikman should know that drafting WRs is risky business, especially in round 1. Williams was a known commodity, and a draft pick hasn't played a down in the NFL. The Cowboys were not going to get Crabtree. Would Macklin, Britt, or Nicks be better than Williams? The Cowboys would gladly give away a first and third for a proven, young vet like Williams. Those other picks were throw in picks. Dallas has 11 picks this year.

He needs to get a grip. He obviously thinks the Cowboys "didn't have a clue" about Williams. He hung about 200 yards on the Eagles in 2006. Did he watch that game? He went to the Pro Bowl in 2006. Does Troy remember being surrounded by scrubs in 1989? We are talking about a team that lost 16 games in 2008. They collapsed in late 2007.

In my opinion, he's kicking Williams when he's "down", and it's not cool.

The Cowboys "gambled" on a young, vet who has skins on the wall. What has any rookie done coming into the league?

Tony Romo needs a big time WR now. Dallas couldn't wait for some rookie to learn the NFL. They made the right move.

Dallas took the conservative path here.
 

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I never thought roy Williams would be a number one guy...He seems slow and runs sloppy routes. But I do like his ability to make people miss and can pretty much catch anything thrown his way. I just need to see more.
 

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DallasDomination;2720637 said:
I never thought roy Williams would be a number one guy...He seems slow and runs sloppy routes. But I do like his ability to make people miss and can pretty much catch anything thrown his way. I just need to see more.

I still don't understand where the notion of Roy being slow came from
 

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dcfanatic;2720396 said:
Because the offense was sputtering and Pacman had just gotten suspended.

And he gave up too much for him. You trying to tell me Jerry had offered that same deal the whole time and the Lions didn't take it? Jerry had no advantage in trading for him at the time he did with it being so close to the deadline.

Smells like a little panic to me.

IIRC, a first and a third was the rumored offer we'd made for RW prior to last years draft.

Jerry's not a six year old. He's not going to reach for a WR just because his pet CB got suspended. That doesn't even make any sense.

Maybe we gave up too much for Roy. At the time, we gambled that we were giving up one of the last 3-4 picks in each round, which didn't pan out. RW certainly didn't get enough passes his way last year to justify the outlay or the contract, but it's pretty hard to put that on the player when he caught most of what was thrown anywhere near him and wasn't really an early read most of the time.
 

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dude on the show with irvin made a great point on how aikman is contradicting himself in one aspect

Aikman cant say the roy williams trade is the biggest bust in history if he doesnt pan out

then in another breath say getting rid of owens is addition by subtraction
like he said you cant have both, their complete opposites and predicated on one another
 

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GOLDENCHILD1688;2722365 said:
dude on the show with irvin made a great point on how aikman is contradicting himself in one aspect

Aikman cant say the roy williams trade is the biggest bust in history if he doesnt pan out

then in another breath say getting rid of owens is addition by subtraction
like he said you cant have both, their complete opposites and predicated on one another
Good point.
 
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