Audio: Musers and Norm talk Terrell Owens - 2/11/09

[dcfanatic]

Musers talking T.O.
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I think they are 100% right about two things.

1. Jerry is searching high and low for people to tell him to keep Terrell Owens. He doesn't want to give up on his pet project of turning T.O. from the most hated athlete in America into a Super Bowl champion wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet.

You just know Jerry would love to look right into a camera one day and tell everyone that he knew all along what he was doing with this team.

2. There last point about T.O. being an even bigger problem next season if he makes it thru this little storm that's going on inside Valley Ranch right now is one I made on DCF Radio last night.

If #81 does survive he will only be more empowered than ever. He will then feel even more comfortable when opening up his mouth next season.

Think about it.

At that point T.O. knows that he has enough players on his side and then he had Jerry backing him so strongly that even when there were a group of angry 'towns people' running around with torches trying to scare the monster off he is still running around in the new stadium catching passes.

I also hope Witten, Romo, Ware, etc know what they are doing here.

They may be hepling to create an even bigger monster than he aleady is by showing him all this 'groupie love' in the public forum. They may be second guessing those interviews and the stellar endorsements of #81 at some point during the 2009 season.

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Here's Norm talking Terrell Owens

Norm talks T.O.

He's right. Just getting rid of T.O. is not going to solve the problems for this team.

Even if they do that they still have a whole bunch of tough decisions.

Wade Phillips allowed this 'nonchalant' culture to be prevalent at Valley Ranch these days, not Terrell Owens.

Maybe T.O. and a bunch of other players started showing up late to meetings, but he wasn't the one who did nothing to 'really' discipline them when they did so. That honor belongs to Jerry Jones.

So Jerry and Wade have much more to do this offseason than to try and fix the locker room by cutting Terrell Owens. They also need to make sure the rest of team starts acting like a professional football club once again from the top to the bottom.

They need to make sure the younger players understand that the way things were done in 2008 were the wrong way. They were wrong because they are not fundamentally sound and in turn that way of doing things will lead to the team being a sloppy undisciplined mess when Sunday rolls around.

This sinking ship known as the Dallas Cowboys has taken on a lot more water than just the few buckets that Terrell Owens is lugging around with him these days.

Letting him move on would be a good start IMO.

But if they stop there then this team is still doomed to fail in 2009.

 

[burmafrd]

Absolutely right that just cutting TO is like re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I still ask "what has TO done that is so terrible that we have to eat $9 million to have him just go away???"


Has he violated the personal conduct policy?
Has he been arrested?
Has he been rapping on YouTube using racial slurs?
Has he been wearing his uniform inappropriately?
Has he been openly critical of any players this offseason?
Has he openly talked about wanting to play elsewhere?
Hes he campaigned for a new coaching staff?


What specific violation has TO been guilty of that warrants being released for non-football issues.


All I am going to say is that when you release a probowl caliber player (possibly HOF player), you better have a dam good reason why and a half-way decent replacement.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It is not just the idea of further empowering TO. It is also the idea that if there are those (coaches or FO people) that really were wanting TO to go it will only feed his style. By that I mean he already has a history of just basically ignoring and shutting out anyone that he thinks has wronged him or does not believe in him. Remember how he did with McNabb and a Coach for the eagles. This will only make things worse one way or the other in the idea that he will further alienate some people.

The worst thing that could have happened, if they want to keep him, was for this type of reported conflict with the coaches or FO people in whether to keep him or let him go getting out into the public. Because maybe TO did not think about it before but there is no way I believe he will NOT think about it now or not let it bother him and in turn cause some problems for others.

 

[ZeroClub]

Absolutely true, BP.

 

[SDogo]

The longer Jerry lets this situation drag on the more it will fall apart. I'm not just talking releasing Owens. He needs to make a decision either way, keep him or cut him, sooner then later.

If he's going to keep him he needs to say so and hopefully let the healing begin and start to lay down some lines. If he's going to cut him it needs to be even sooner because once TO is cut it's not over. They say just because the war is over does not mean the dying stops.

 

[5Countem5]

Musers talking T.O.
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1. Jerry is searching high and low for people to tell him to keep Terrell Owens. He doesn't want to give up on his pet project of turning T.O. from the most hated athlete in America into a Super Bowl champion wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet.

Maybe he should see the interviews that Romo, Witten and Ware gave then.

Shouldn't be hard to find.

 

[Venger]

Winning.
Cures.
Everything.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree with Norm that just cutting TO will not change a single thing about what this teams problems are.

 

[iceberg]

It is not just the idea of further empowering TO. It is also the idea that if there are those (coaches or FO people) that really were wanting TO to go it will only feed his style. By that I mean he already has a history of just basically ignoring and shutting out anyone that he thinks has wronged him or does not believe in him. Remember how he did with McNabb and a Coach for the eagles. This will only make things worse one way or the other in the idea that he will further alienate some people.

The worst thing that could have happened, if they want to keep him, was for this type of reported conflict with the coaches or FO people in whether to keep him or let him go getting out into the public. Because maybe TO did not think about it before but there is no way I believe he will NOT think about it now or not let it bother him and in turn cause some problems for others.

hammer/nail thingie.

 

[iceberg]

I agree with Norm that just cutting TO will not change a single thing about what this teams problems are.

i disagree. it won't change them all, but it could be where you turn around and start being serious and less starry eyed again.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The way they hammered Bennett with a max fine for his rap shows that they do realize things need to change, IMO.

BTW, did anyone hear the Musers say that someone close to the team whose opinion they really trust says that if TO stays, a much bigger implosion is coming and we'll be lucky to win nine games next year?

Does the TO Fan Club really think these guys just made that up? If you listen to them, they don't seem to hate TO or really have an agenda against him. They're just reporting what they were told.

They're right that this is all about Jerry's ego. Jerry has shown that he'll spend money to make people go away if he wants to. But the kicker to me is that Jerry doesn't understand that if he cut TO, football people's estimation of him would go UP, not down!

 

[Idgit]

The way they hammered Bennett with a max fine for his rap shows that they do realize things need to change, IMO.

BTW, did anyone hear the Musers say that someone close to the team whose opinion they really trust says that if TO stays, a much bigger implosion is coming and we'll be lucky to win nine games next year?

Does the TO Fan Club really think these guys just made that up? If you listen to them, they don't seem to hate TO or really have an agenda against him. They're just reporting what they were told.

They're right that this is all about Jerry's ego. Jerry has shown that he'll spend money to make people go away if he wants to. But the kicker to me is that Jerry doesn't understand that if he cut TO, football people's estimation of him would go UP, not down!

I think Jerry's a more complex person than the ego characterization suggests. Sure, his ego is huge, but that manifests in things like the control he demands over the organization and the enormous phallus of a new stadium. He sticks by players who have rare talent because he honestly believes that it's talent that wins more often than not in the NFL. And it's not surprising that it doesn't bother him to fly in the face of what everyone in the NFL is saying about TO b/c he's made his fortune doing exactly that on other fronts and being right.

I don't have a dog in the TO fight; I lean towards cutting him just b/c he's old, polarizing, and it'll make a statement that serious change is coming in '09. But TO's a hell of a player and it's hard to say how deeply he's really involved in the locker room dissent. I suspect the answer is 'up to his neck' but I also wouldn't expect the Dallas press to report it accurately or fairly if he were not.

 

[cowboyjoe]

this has been my point all along DC, T O isnt the problem,

first starts with jerry jones for letting this circus and media exploratation going on and on, then jerry allowing no head coach to have full control, so the players can go whining to jerry jones

then the players for pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves

then coach cupcake, for the weak leadership and no hitting in practices, letting players get off on days after they loose a game, etc

this is the problem,

 

[iceberg]

this has been my point all along DC, T O isnt the problem,

first starts with jerry jones for letting this circus and media exploratation going on and on, then jerry allowing no head coach to have full control, so the players can go whining to jerry jones

then the players for pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves

then coach cupcake, for the weak leadership and no hitting in practices, letting players get off on days after they loose a game, etc

this is the problem,

maybe it's jones fault for letting a circus be a circus, but that doesn't mean the clown isn't a clown.

 

[1fisher]

The smoke is getting thicker! When will we see the fire?

 

[DandyDon1722]

Maybe he should see the interviews that Romo, Witten and Ware gave then.

Shouldn't be hard to find.

Geez, I saw the Romo interview and talk about a non-denial denial. He did everything in his power to say things like "we all" and "everybody". He NEVER mentions he wants the player TO back. He just grouped him in with everybody else. IMO...no way Romo wants him back.

 

[Idgit]

Geez, I saw the Romo interview and talk about a non-denial denial. He did everything in his power to say things like "we all" and "everybody". He NEVER mentions he wants the player TO back. He just grouped him in with everybody else. IMO...no way Romo wants him back.

I have to agree with this. His words were not specific and all very team-oriented, his body language was very uncomfortable.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Geez, I saw the Romo interview and talk about a non-denial denial. He did everything in his power to say things like "we all" and "everybody". He NEVER mentions he wants the player TO back. He just grouped him in with everybody else. IMO...no way Romo wants him back.

In the opinion of Darren Woodson, too.

 

[5Countem5]

BTW, did anyone hear the Musers say that someone close to the team whose opinion they really trust says that if TO stays, a much bigger implosion is coming and we'll be lucky to win nine games next year?

Does the TO Fan Club really think these guys just made that up? If you listen to them, they don't seem to hate TO or really have an agenda against him. They're just reporting what they were told.

They're right that this is all about Jerry's ego. Jerry has shown that he'll spend money to make people go away if he wants to. But the kicker to me is that Jerry doesn't understand that if he cut TO, football people's estimation of him would go UP, not down!

They are reporting what gets readers and ratings. If, for one minute, you think they do it because they think YOU (the fan) should be informed then you are very deluded.

To predict the future like that (imminent explosion) is asinine.