Audio/Video: Nate and Dukes talk Barber Quad issue

[UnoDallas]

heres the last word on the subject IMO

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[dcfanatic]

Nate Newton gives us a great thought from his days with Jimmy Johnson in this clip from Coop and Nate today on ESPN Radio...

Coop and Nate on Barber issue

Troy, Michael, Emmitt and Haley. Please don't try and tell me Marion Barber is as great as those players or can have an effect on games like those guys did. Tashard Choice should have been on the field in place of Barber if he was that banged up. Case closed.

Now comes the point about hurt he was. I hear people saying this is maybe the Cowboys RB coach Skip Peete just talking up his player and that Barber was really as hurt as Peete would like you to believe. Either way Peete didn't do any good by talking about this issue because either the player wasn't all that banged up or the coaching staff didn't handle it properly.

And people wonder why Bill Parcells didn't want his assistant coaches talking to the media, lol.

Here's Jamie Dukes talking about MBIII and giving us the worst impression of Jerry Jones I have ever heard...

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Charles Davis is completely lost. We may need Felix to pop off with one of his eye opening runs to get us a nice lead. Then the Cowboys very tough defense can play their game which is going after the QB with wreckless abandon. Last time I checked most teams don't look to the running game when it's getting late and you are down by a TD or more.

The best thing about all of this. The Cowboys have three very good RB's.

 

[CCBoy]

'Training bra' Engles must enjoy it when some other 'source' takes a hip shot full of bias and drama for her to ride the wave upon. Fits together conveniently in a never ending bash Jerry and believe the simplest levels of stupidity and malfunction.

The functional elements here, are that Marion Barber did perform and under duress of injury and pain for most of the previous season. His performance was solid if not top shelf. But he earned teammates and coaches respect for answering the bell injured and producing.

Bottom lines are that with the three running backs combining for maximum effect, they are as equal if not superior to a single back offense during the era of that same Nate. An injury to Emmitt Smith alone might have derailed that period's Super Bowl rushes on more than a single achieved Lombardi.

How really convenient for the likes of the ex-Ram who never hit the respectability levels of an Emmitt Smith during that era. Faulk can hide credability behind a comparison to abstract perfection, himself, and ignore the same high production by the Dallas team. This despite have periods of injury and reduced productions from both Barber and Felix Jones.

Just think, both Faulk and Woodson using an anti-Cowboy bias to continue to just stir the pot, instead of offering objective directions as well as potential.

Surprising to a Cowboys' fan that there would additionally be a rush to defame and tack on a Jerry insult due to a media need to attach onto an insult that leads to speculation than analysis of the elements acutally causing diminished accomplishments on the field. Here, although...that same desparity driven group has to instead build fires for Indian dances and loud drum beats.

I would have loved to have been there and asked how a Dallas team then WAS both top ten on offense and on defense...if they were really just abusive to poor and injured players?

Ever hear an ounce of crying come from Marion Barber or anyone even remotely associated with that section? I don't think so either. Just thnk, there isn't a TO now to build a fantasy castle and unbased lie upon in this current picture... but that doesn't curb a cheap-shot at Jerry. Go figure that need! Don't even bring up trying to tag along a comment by Jamie 'the brains' Dukes...who calls Nate, Homie.

 

[adbutcher]

'Training bra' Engles must enjoy it when some other 'source' takes a hip shot full of bias and drama for her to ride the wave upon. Fits together conveniently in a never ending bash Jerry and believe the simplest levels of stupidity and malfunction.

The functional elements here, are that Marion Barber did perform and under duress of injury and pain for most of the previous season. His performance was solid if not top shelf. But he earned teammates and coaches respect for answering the bell injured and producing.

Bottom lines are that with the three running backs combining for maximum effect, they are as equal if not superior to a single back offense during the era of that same Nate. An injury to Emmitt Smith alone might have derailed that period's Super Bowl rushes on more than a single achieved Lombardi.

How really convenient for the likes of the ex-Ram who never hit the respectability levels of an Emmitt Smith during that era. Faulk can hide credability behind a comparison to abstract perfection, himself, and ignore the same high production by the Dallas team. This despite have periods of injury and reduced productions from both Barber and Felix Jones.

Just think, both Faulk and Woodson using an anti-Cowboy bias to continue to just stir the pot, instead of offering objective directions as well as potential.

Surprising to a Cowboys' fan that there would additionally be a rush to defame and tack on a Jerry insult due to a media need to attach onto an insult that leads to speculation than analysis of the elements acutally causing diminished accomplishments on the field. Here, although...that same desparity driven group has to instead build fires for Indian dances and loud drum beats.

I would have loved to have been there and asked how a Dallas team then WAS both top ten on offense and on defense...if they were really just abusive to poor and injured players?

Ever hear an ounce of crying come from Marion Barber or anyone even remotely associated with that section? I don't think so either. Just thnk, there isn't a TO now to build a fantasy castle and unbased lie upon in this current picture... but that doesn't curb a cheap-shot at Jerry. Go figure that need! Don't even bring up trying to tag along a comment by Jamie 'the brains' Dukes...who calls Nate, Homie.

You sir are a credit to the zone.

 

[jswalker1981]

I actually think it should be Barber in the first and fourth quarters. Let him pound on the defense in the first quarter, go crazy, and then rest up for the fourth quarter. Then in the second and third quarters, let Felix and Choice gash them.

 

[adbutcher]

I actually think it should be Barber in the first and fourth quarters. Let him pound on the defense in the first quarter, go crazy, and then rest up for the fourth quarter. Then in the second and third quarters, let Felix and Choice gash them.

That sounds like a good plan and I hope that we see something similar if not identical this year.

 

[CoCo]

You sir are a credit to the zone.

Then he must be writing way above my intellectual capacity because I hardly understood a word he was saying.

I do get the general gist that he was ripping on every media type he could (JFE, Dukes, Faulk, Woodson) on this subject. Just going from the names listed I can say they probably deserved it. So I'll just leave it at that I guess.

:laugh2:

 

[dcfanatic]

I actually think it should be Barber in the first and fourth quarters. Let him pound on the defense in the first quarter, go crazy, and then rest up for the fourth quarter. Then in the second and third quarters, let Felix and Choice gash them.

Why not let Felix come off the edge and put us up 7-0 in the first quarter and let our dominant defense go to work?

 

[jswalker1981]

Why not let Felix come off the edge and put us up 7-0 in the first quarter and let our dominant defense go to work?

Why not pound the ball with Barber then play action pass deep to Austin and put us up 7-0 in the first quarter and let our dominant defense go to work?

 

[Mansta54]

Why not let Felix come off the edge and put us up 7-0 in the first quarter and let our dominant defense go to work?

Excellent idea!!! Our O can score pts early and often then let that D chase down the QB.....

 

[dcfanatic]

Why not pound the ball with Barber then play action pass deep to Austin and put us up 7-0 in the first quarter and let our dominant defense go to work?

So you want to wear out the offensive lineman in the first half like we did against the Giants in the 2007 playoff game.

You want to take 12 plays to have to execute properly instead of taking 6 plays to get an early lead.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with Coop. MB3 playing was completely inexcusable.

 

[jswalker1981]

So you want to wear out the offensive lineman in the first half like we did against the Giants in the 2007 playoff game.

You want to take 12 plays to have to execute properly instead of taking 6 plays to get an early lead.

All I'm saying is that you can't guarantee that Felix will bust out for a long TD in 6 plays, just like you can't guarantee Austin will catch a long bomb in 12 plays.

Also, it would be easier for Felix to break long runs if he is running against a tired defense than a fresh defense.

 

[dcfanatic]

All I'm saying is that you can't guarantee that Felix will bust out for a long TD in 6 plays, just like you can't guarantee Austin will catch a long bomb in 12 plays.

Also, it would be easier for Felix to break long runs if he is running against a tired defense than a fresh defense.

Four of the starting O Lineman will be 31+ when the season begins.

I get what you are saying that nothing can be guaranteed, but I think we have a better shot of seeing Felix break a big run on one of 10 carries in the first half than we do if MBIII takes those same 10 carries.

Felix can break a big run against a fresh defense because he's just that good. The defense could have just drank three red bulls and Felix will still 'do work' on them for six points.

I think Barber has a better shot at having success against a tired defense who has been chasing Felix around for three quarters. And he can then use his power because they are three quarters into the game.

 

[CATCH17]

Four of the starting O Lineman will be 31+ when the season begins.

I get what you are saying that nothing can be guaranteed, but I think we have a better shot of seeing Felix break a big run on one of 10 carries in the first half than we do if MBIII takes those same 10 carries.

Felix can break a big run against a fresh defense because he's just that good. The defense could have just drank three red bulls and Felix will still 'do work' on them for six points.

I think Barber has a better shot at having success against a tired defense who has been chasing Felix around for three quarters. And he can then use his power because they are three quarters into the game.

Every game unfolds differenly so there is no possible way to divide and plan our game plans on a week to week basis like youre suggesting.

 

[CCBoy]

Four of the starting O Lineman will be 31+ when the season begins.

I get what you are saying that nothing can be guaranteed, but I think we have a better shot of seeing Felix break a big run on one of 10 carries in the first half than we do if MBIII takes those same 10 carries.

Felix can break a big run against a fresh defense because he's just that good. The defense could have just drank three red bulls and Felix will still 'do work' on them for six points.

I think Barber has a better shot at having success against a tired defense who has been chasing Felix around for three quarters. And he can then use his power because they are three quarters into the game.

Marion Barber has come into this season a good deal lighter than last season. This means that he has a little more burst to call upon.

Felix Jones has beefed up in the upper body this off season.

Last season, Barber was injured enough to reduce his effectiveness. Felix was healthier much more.

Which runner is more explosive on the outside? No question here, Felix can surprise with outside speed...even players who are really familiar with his elusiveness.

Which back is more the pounder and which is the elite producer? That is simple...the 'Barbarian' pounds and Felix exploits. That means inside runs go more to Marion Barber and offset passes, reverses, and outside/off tackle plays tend towards Felix.

To wear an opponent down, one has to start stressing them and pound upon them to wear them down. This when applied to personnel, means that Marion would need to start the show when running the ball. To wear on that defense, the passing game has to highlight action as well...to create a tendency for the linebackers to try and backup to form a protective umbrella.

To force the opponent's defense into an umbrella, with light heeled linebacker action, that requires a good dose of Felix Jones. So, you have the present 'Red' Garrett tendency to mix his attack early.

But early on, it requires a strong doseage of inside runs by Marion Barber. As games develop and tendencies start to develop, then more of Felix Jones and Tashard Choice are called for. With that heavy Dallas line pounding and Barber delivering attacking runs, you then run the fatigue into them with elusive and very quick play by Jones and Choice.

At half-time, the team sustains a couple of strong drives relying upon a dominant passing attack, and then you pound with Barber in the 4th, to eliminate the clock for quick turnovers.

 

[CCBoy]

Then he must be writing way above my intellectual capacity because I hardly understood a word he was saying.

I do get the general gist that he was ripping on every media type he could (JFE, Dukes, Faulk, Woodson) on this subject. Just going from the names listed I can say they probably deserved it. So I'll just leave it at that I guess.

:laugh2:

No, there was delivered by the individuals cited, an insult to player useage last season as well as a tacked on direct insult to Jerry Jones.

Your trap-door clever overlooks accentuated insult and if there are more involved, well by your keen eyesight, the better.

Just happens to be one of many points somehow missed by yourself. Go figure a Bar Room legal mind here....you might try taking your eye off the pole dancer when you present an intellectual pursuit, although. As if your highlightened perspective is an ounce above the comparison here....ooops, Cliff Note highlight:

That Barber was used last season, while injured, doesn't mean he was abused by the team.

As to discussion, your destruction derby approach just allows a negative and continual source of such view, to skate by the debris, when they are creating that destruction...to YOUR delight, it then appears.

Of course, since there are now more than FIVE simple paragraphs, that DEVELOP discussion, instead of sensualizing sensations for YOUR palate, you already MISSED the Cliff Notes inclusion....

Since a simpleton approach already misses the football as well as foundation discussion here, I'll just end with your level of attention span. This leaving out what you miss any way as to points in support or being attacked by discussion and include a direct association in comparative elements observed that depict your lack of 'understanding' and see if you REALLY missed the discussion:

One would state, say: 'the cheerleader had bold facial features that could form articulated points of focus at an inspired moments notice. Her dimples were so deep, that she earned the nickname of 'Skittles' as she imprisoned your glance through a temptuous smile and motion.

You would then arrive on scene rapping in insult: The dude talks his smack, with candy that did lack....I laped up her stack, but this mumbling fool didn't present a single fact.

All hidden in your own personalized Cliff Note:

Duh, I didn't understand a think..


And since ironic humor is already lost upon YOURSELF, I'll just give to YOU a 'hill billy' song:

'A mule is an animal, with long pointed ears....and kicks up his heels at all he hears. So child, beware, when YOU go to school....remember, YOU TOO could be a mule!'

But remaining on topic and developing THAT:

This how the Cowboys approach injury and resolution of need....

'Some of the more veteran players don't need as much work as the younger guys. Nose tackle Jay Ratliff was out rehabbing following surgery to both elbows. Linebacker Keith Brooking watched practice from the sideline after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery, the Cowboys electing not to rush either player back until the efforts go full-time when training camp kicks off in San Antonio on July 24. Cornerback Orlando Scandrick suffered a broken finger during the second week of OTAs, sidelining him until two-a-days, and the Cowboys were also without fourth-round pick Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, who was recovering from shoulder surgery.' *(taken from an article by Josh Ellis)

Now do some of the work by forming some of YOUR OWN views on topic....

 

[jobberone]

They should play the hot back. I'd still start Felix though. He deserves to have the ball in his hands. Then give it to the guy with the hot hand.