Avoid Over Paying 1 Real Way

[Coogiguy03]

I know this isn't realistic by any means, but we all have our issues with the teams cap issues. My solution is, you hold onto these players for 4 years, then you replace them with new players every year. Eventually you'll have to keep your homegrown talent, but just know you can be replaced in another 4 years. Give me your thoughts......

 

[Jake]

Make better personnel decisions and overpaying becomes less of an issue. If you're afraid to pay anyone, that's a talent evaluation problem.

There are parts of the roster you have to churn in the cap era. But there are cornerstones to every championship team. You have to get those right.

 

[John813]

There's nothing wrong with paying players. You just need to in theory make sure you're not paying out of desperation or overhyping the player true ability.

SJ talks about wanting to keep their own, which is fine, except when they overpay to keep their own and the deals from the get go look bad. Players decline, it's part of the brutality of the NFL.
But the recent extensions to Zeke, Smith, Law all have not lived up to their worth from day 1 of the start of the extension actually takes place.
La'el Collins lived up to his deal before the hip/suspension and the deals to the rest of the O-line were great cause their talent met the asking price.

 

[fivetwos]

Make better personnel decisions and overpaying becomes less of an issue. If you're afraid to pay anyone, that's a talent evaluation problem.

There are parts of the roster you have to churn in the cap era. But there are cornerstones to every championship team. You have to get those right.

Paying their own validates the draft pick.

In Jerry's 'mahnd' if you are paid well you are a great player....even if he is the only one who would have paid that guy that much.

I mean, this is the same guy who told us Jaylon Smith was a cornerstone player not all that long ago.

He could have sidestepped the question with a generic answer.

Kind of leads me to believe he doesn't know what he is looking at or has to continue to try to justify mistakes.

 

[Coogiguy03]

But what we're failing to realize and I can't stress this enough, NO PLAYER these days is going to want less than market value. The values set by other players, is killing the cap. A player in 3 years can be average, have a GREAT 4th year and will want what market dictates or to SET the market

 

[charron]

I think before you pay a guy you have to ask yourself can you get similar production cheaper or scheme change etc? And always be developing. To me running back and linebacker are positions I wouldn't pay much untill you get a Micah who is much more than a normal LB. You don't pay LVE, but you do pay Micah. We shouldn't have paid dlaw, we should move Micah along the line to rush the passer more.

 

[Killerinstinct]

You decide earlier in the process who you want to extend and do so before they hit the open market.. Kerse, Turner, and others should have been extended months ago.

For the big contracts offer a fair contract. If they don't sign, ask the individual if they have a preferred trade destination and tell him I will call them first but you will be traded to the highest bidder.

 

[sunalsorises]

I'm surprised the salary cap rules have not been adjusted to allow for spending more on your own players or QBs. Then again, owners started the salary cap in hopes of not having to spend too much on the players so maybe it is not that surprising.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Truth is you're going to have to "overpay" to keep guys, its just how it is. With constant rising of the salary cap free agents are always going to make more and more money. My issue with the Cowboys cap management is

1) We continue to push more and more money into the future. I get we set contracts up to be restructured, but the constant restructuring is really the reason why the cap has started to catch up with us.
2) We pay guy more so to sell jerseys than contribute on the field. Paying record setting money to an RB is exhibit A.
3) Jerry, the great negotiator continues to be taken to school by these guys. I don't want to get into the IF we should have paid Dak, but Dak played hard ball with Jerry and got absolutely everything he wanted. Same with Zeke, same with DLaw. I mean when is the last time we had an extension that was described as "Team Friendly'? Maybe Martin or Tyron's deal? At least at the time they were signed, I know Tyrons deal now doesnt look that great due to injuries.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The team also needs to be willing to trade a player in his prime. "Sell High" so to speak...

 

[thunderpimp91]

But what we're failing to realize and I can't stress this enough, NO PLAYER these days is going to want less than market value. The values set by other players, is killing the cap. A player in 3 years can be average, have a GREAT 4th year and will want what market dictates or to SET the market

Your are 100% correct, but I think the structure of these deals is killing the Cowboys. I look at Daks contact for example vs Mahomes. Dak got $126MM guaranteed over 4 years, Mahomes got $141MM guaranteed over 10 years. One of those contracts gives their team complete flexibility to manipulate the cap as needed, the other holds their team hostage. Not being critical of Dak, he risked a lot to get that deal and played the business side extremely well, but this is where a competent GM should have been able to get that done or decide to move on way before they did.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The team also needs to be willing to trade a player in his prime. "Sell High" so to speak...

Not against this at all. Obviously you have to have a trade partner to make it work, but how great would it have been to move a guy like Gallup last offseason? Easy to say in hindsight, but even a guy like Zeke during his holdout. Could have gotten a late pick and not had to cough up a big contract.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

But what we're failing to realize and I can't stress this enough, NO PLAYER these days is going to want less than market value. The values set by other players, is killing the cap. A player in 3 years can be average, have a GREAT 4th year and will want what market dictates or to SET the market

Great reply Coogi. I totally agree with everything you just replied with. There is nothing wrong with paying market value. The problem lies someone overpaid such particular player that the market resets to a higher dollar and in turn teams like us are way over in regards to the cap. Did Jerry start it? We don't know. Of course when the market is X, player is going to want X. If that player is worth keeping, then pay X but not a penny more. The reason for Dak being paid the money he got is because he said he wanted market value (at the time) and because the Joneses took their time and didn't sign him right then, someone got overpaid driving up the market thus Dak still demanded the market price (which had risen).

 

[Flamma]

I don't know if the Steelers still do this, but they used to pay players guaranteed money in signing bonus only. That's the reason RB Bell left the team.

 

[Reality]

There's nothing wrong with paying players. You just need to in theory make sure you're not paying out of desperation or overhyping the player true ability.

SJ talks about wanting to keep their own, which is fine, except when they overpay to keep their own and the deals from the get go look bad. Players decline, it's part of the brutality of the NFL.
But the recent extensions to Zeke, Smith, Law all have not lived up to their worth from day 1 of the start of the extension actually takes place.
La'el Collins lived up to his deal before the hip/suspension and the deals to the rest of the O-line were great cause their talent met the asking price.

Exactly. There were many fans who knew the Ezekiel Elliott and Jaylon Smith deals were bad from the start and the Lawrence deal was more than some fans wanted to pay as well.

Every year the team needs to be in a position to put the best team on the field, not the best team and several non-best players who got huge contracts in the last couple of years.

I have no problem paying for good players, but you need to see more than one good/great season from them and they need to not have dealt with constant game-missing injuries.

 

[conner01]

I know this isn't realistic by any means, but we all have our issues with the teams cap issues. My solution is, you hold onto these players for 4 years, then you replace them with new players every year. Eventually you'll have to keep your homegrown talent, but just know you can be replaced in another 4 years. Give me your thoughts......

In theory that’s great
In reality nearly half of a teams draft picks can’t play in the nfl
Some 5-6-7 picks make it but very few ever develop into real player
You have more UDFA make it than 6-7 round picks

 

[TwentyOne]

I know this isn't realistic by any means, but we all have our issues with the teams cap issues. My solution is, you hold onto these players for 4 years, then you replace them with new players every year. Eventually you'll have to keep your homegrown talent, but just know you can be replaced in another 4 years. Give me your thoughts......

Well, usually with a draft come 7 players from 7 rounds.
That means in 4 years you can pick 28 players.

Thats half of your roster. And only if every pick pans out. Which usually is not the case. Usually you get 3-4 players out of a draft.

After 4 years you want to rinse and repeat ?

I guess that answers your idea.

 

[bewp7]

i think there is some thing to that tbh

not that ixtreme but in term of market setting contract or even top 5 for the spot i think if u are not legit all pro (zack martin, tyron, hope fully micah etc) u would be better off letting some one walk even with rising cap

also never invest any thing in rb ever. do not use a 1st round pick and never give a rb a second contract ever. i would not even use a 2nd round pick on a rb. maybe u get lucky and get derrick henry but the #s say hat is a huge long shot.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

I know this isn't realistic by any means, but we all have our issues with the teams cap issues. My solution is, you hold onto these players for 4 years, then you replace them with new players every year. Eventually you'll have to keep your homegrown talent, but just know you can be replaced in another 4 years. Give me your thoughts......[/QUOTEid keep Zeke , Tyron, Martin, diggs, cooper , d law( if he restructures)and parsons,

 

[CATCH17]

Or just don’t be stupid.

Dak wasn’t leaving. You didn’t have to give him 40 million.