Awesome Romo article for Romo skeptics/haters

[THEHEREAFTER]

http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/07/15/the-romo-manifesto/

 

[YosemiteSam]

http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/07/15/the-romo-manifesto/

Sucks. I hate it. ...wait. Let me read it first, then I will tell you how I feel.

 

[ethiostar]

Its a good read but i think it was posted here a week or two ago.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Looks like this was posted a week or so ago. Still a good article tho.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156642&highlight=manifesto

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Ok figured that it may have been posted. My bad. I'm not on the zone like I usually am yet. My boy (who happens to be a Romo skeptic) suprisingly sent this to me this morning.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm confused. I hear all this talk about how Cowboys fans are calling Romo a bust. I never see this. I only hear people claiming that Cowboys fans are calling him a bust.

Granted, there will always be one or two bad apples out there, but everyone makes it sound like those few people are actually of epidemic proprtions.

I've really have only heard media and fans of other teams make this claim. If someone claims to be a Cowboys fans and makes it, he/she is doing it in jest or is actually a closet hater.

Romo has clearly proved many many times he *is* a prolific QB in the NFL. As I noted yesterday, right now I consider him a VERY good QB, and once he complete his maturation process, he will be a great QB.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I would not trade ROMO for anyone.

 

[CIWhitefish]

I would not trade ROMO for anyone.

Me either man.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dumb article. Follows the fallacy that comparing numbers between QB's of different teams, different eras is the same. I've written quite a few posts that the passing game has changed greatly over the years. As time goes by, QB's throw more TD passes (more throwing in the red zone) throw for more yards, with a higher % and less interceptions. Reason being is the game continues to be more pass happy, but 'controlled' passing game. Receivers ypc is generally wayyy down as time goes by as well. It has boosted up a little due to the league re-enforcing the illegal contact rules and there's no more Run N Shoot, but it's still way down from the late 80's to early 90's and wayyyy down from the 70's and 60's.

Here's the thing...Rex Grossman supporters in Chicago used to make the same type of comparison. Often comparing Grossman's first few years to Elway's, Peyton's, etc. And they were sadly mistaken to think Grossman was going to be as good as those guys.

Now Romo is far, far better than Grossman and I don't think he sucks by any stretch, but comparing him to other QB's from different eras is pretty naive.





YAKUZA

 

[rcaldw]

Dumb article. Follows the fallacy that comparing numbers between QB's of different teams, different eras is the same. I've written quite a few posts that the passing game has changed greatly over the years. As time goes by, QB's throw more TD passes (more throwing in the red zone) throw for more yards, with a higher % and less interceptions. Reason being is the game continues to be more pass happy, but 'controlled' passing game. Receivers ypc is generally wayyy down as time goes by as well. It has boosted up a little due to the league re-enforcing the illegal contact rules and there's no more Run N Shoot, but it's still way down from the late 80's to early 90's and wayyyy down from the 70's and 60's.

Here's the thing...Rex Grossman supporters in Chicago used to make the same type of comparison. Often comparing Grossman's first few years to Elway's, Peyton's, etc. And they were sadly mistaken to think Grossman was going to be as good as those guys.

Now Romo is far, far better than Grossman and I don't think he sucks by any stretch, but comparing him to other QB's from different eras is pretty naive.

YAKUZA

Don't write anything reasonable (Mickey Spagnola doesn't and neither did Sturm on this one... he basically reiterated Spagnola's arguments. Both of them ignore that Aikman's 3rd year was really his 3rd year in the league. It was Romo's 5th year in the league.), it doesn't fly well with some here. Next thing you will be accused of is being a Romo hater/critic.

You could think Romo will go down as the greatest QB of all-time and still not agree with the whole comparison thing, for the reasons that you just made very clear.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Dumb article. Follows the fallacy that comparing numbers between QB's of different teams, different eras is the same. I've written quite a few posts that the passing game has changed greatly over the years. As time goes by, QB's throw more TD passes (more throwing in the red zone) throw for more yards, with a higher % and less interceptions. Reason being is the game continues to be more pass happy, but 'controlled' passing game. Receivers ypc is generally wayyy down as time goes by as well. It has boosted up a little due to the league re-enforcing the illegal contact rules and there's no more Run N Shoot, but it's still way down from the late 80's to early 90's and wayyyy down from the 70's and 60's.

Here's the thing...Rex Grossman supporters in Chicago used to make the same type of comparison. Often comparing Grossman's first few years to Elway's, Peyton's, etc. And they were sadly mistaken to think Grossman was going to be as good as those guys.

Now Romo is far, far better than Grossman and I don't think he sucks by any stretch, but comparing him to other QB's from different eras is pretty naive.





YAKUZA

Wow! I don't think you could possibly be more off base here. Comparing QB's from different era's was only a small sampling of the writers analysis. He clearly and thoroughly also compared Romo to QB's from THIS ERA! Also, If I'm not mistaken, Marino put up prolific numbers in the mid 80's and so on. We can find cases that mix up the "era" argument all day. The Grossman comparison, even though you tried to clean it up, is pretty much horrific.

 

[rcaldw]

Listen, I was a huge Aikman fan from the day we drafted him. I can remember, after watching the UCLA game in the Cotton Bowl, that we had a chance at a real franchise QB and someone I believed could bring us championships again.

Then came his rookie season, then came the injury in 1990, then came the Steve Beurelein run in 1991, and all the critics were out in full force.

I never agreed with the critics, I always had arguments for why they were wrong, but the bottom line was this, and I knew it.

If Aikman was as good as I thought he was going to be, it would be proven on the field. His career wouldn't be defined by all the arguments I could come up with to show that it wasn't as bad as they were saying. Either he was going to shut up his critics with his play, or he wasn't.

No matter how many arguments you come up with I'm going to tell you something right now. If Romo doesn't lead the team to playoff victories he isn't going to be highly thought of. Period. You can produce a million articles with all kinds of stats, but that is a fact.

So, for all Cowboys fans and Romo fans we need to hope that this is the year that HE, WITH THE RESULTS, puts all the critics to silence.

 

[Idgit]

Listen, I was a huge Aikman fan from the day we drafted him. I can remember, after watching the UCLA game in the Cotton Bowl, that we had a chance at a real franchise QB and someone I believed could bring us championships again.

Then came his rookie season, then came the injury in 1990, then came the Steve Beurelein run in 1991, and all the critics were out in full force.

I never agreed with the critics, I always had arguments for why they were wrong, but the bottom line was this, and I knew it.

If Aikman was as good as I thought he was going to be, it would be proven on the field. His career wouldn't be defined by all the arguments I could come up with to show that it wasn't as bad as they were saying. Either he was going to shut up his critics with his play, or he wasn't.

No matter how many arguments you come up with I'm going to tell you something right now. If Romo doesn't lead the team to playoff victories he isn't going to be highly thought of. Period. You can produce a million articles with all kinds of stats, but that is a fact.

So, for all Cowboys fans and Romo fans we need to hope that this is the year that HE, WITH THE RESULTS, puts all the critics to silence.

I don't think the fans who think Romo is a very good QB are worried about whether or not he eventually gets playoff victories. He's already proven that results don't necessarily silence critics.

 

[DallasDomination]

I don't think the fans who think Romo is a very good QB are worried about whether or not he eventually gets playoff victories. He's already proven that results don't necessarily silence critics.

What? What results are we talking about here? And why in gods name are these so called People who think romo is a Good QB, Not worried about whether He gets Playoff wins or not?

 

[Idgit]

What? What results are we talking about here? And why in gods name are these so called People who think romo is a Good QB, Not worried about whether He gets Playoff wins or not?

Sorry, I was talking about the player's results on the field, which you've already established you prefer to ignore until it accompanies a specific team accomplishment.

 

[hutru01]

I would not trade ROMO for anyone.

Agreed.

Granted he has some things to prove this year, I still believe he has that potential to be one of the best QBs in the league.

 

[AdamJT13]

http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/07/15/the-romo-manifesto/

I skimmed through a lot of the article, but it doesn't seem to refute the Romo skeptics' main argument at all -- namely, that he hasn't been good enough in December and January.

Other than the complete idiots like Brandon Jacobs, even most Romo haters will admit that Romo is a good quarterback who puts up good numbers overall, or at least before December. So the whole TD/INT argument is rather pointless.

The Romo skeptics hang their hat on the fact that they can call Romo a choker in December and January. And they'll always have that until Romo proves them wrong.

 

[rcaldw]

Sorry, I was talking about the player's results on the field, which you've already established you prefer to ignore until it accompanies a specific team accomplishment.

Don't know if alot of people get this or not, but the QB's job is to get HIS TEAM to the best position they are capable of at the end of the season. When you were the #1 seed, had home field advantage throughout, and made your exit in your first playoff game, that ISN'T mission accomplished. Lay it all at Romo's feet, of course not. Did he play his best game of the year in that playoff game. No. And that is the kind of accomplishment that will silence the critics.

 

[Jay]

Dumb article. Follows the fallacy that comparing numbers between QB's of different teams, different eras is the same. I've written quite a few posts that the passing game has changed greatly over the years. As time goes by, QB's throw more TD passes (more throwing in the red zone) throw for more yards, with a higher % and less interceptions. Reason being is the game continues to be more pass happy, but 'controlled' passing game. Receivers ypc is generally wayyy down as time goes by as well. It has boosted up a little due to the league re-enforcing the illegal contact rules and there's no more Run N Shoot, but it's still way down from the late 80's to early 90's and wayyyy down from the 70's and 60's.

Here's the thing...Rex Grossman supporters in Chicago used to make the same type of comparison. Often comparing Grossman's first few years to Elway's, Peyton's, etc. And they were sadly mistaken to think Grossman was going to be as good as those guys.

Now Romo is far, far better than Grossman and I don't think he sucks by any stretch, but comparing him to other QB's from different eras is pretty naive.





YAKUZA

Seriously? Really? Did you read the article?