Balanced Garrett take

[GhostOfPelluer]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

 

[cern]

why do we even mint pennies?

 

[waldoputty]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

garrett should be in the front office.
the worst thing about garrett is that he does not appear to learn from his mistakes (eg. timekeeping), for whatever reason.

 

[Whyjerry]

I am tough on Jason Garrett. I think he is a terrible in-game coach. That said, I agree that he has a lot of other good qualities. They have drafted much better over the recent years. He offensives has been propped up by good players. They did not invest in the defense for a long time so the results there were spotty. Offensively - Linehan is terrible. Defensively - I think Rod and his staff are tip top and now have some athletes that can change games. It shows. I wonder what Garrett would look like if a competent OC came in and was given free reign to change the offense. I bet Garrett would look a lot better.

 

[gmb1]

Parcells has a coaching tree. Bill Walsh has a coaching tree. Even Tony Dungy. Does Garrett have guys that went on to become good head coaches?

 

[Doomsday101]

I am tough on Jason Garrett. I think he is a terrible in-game coach. That said, I agree that he has a lot of other good qualities. They have drafted much better over the recent years. He offensives has been propped up by good players. They did not invest in the defense for a long time so the results there were spotty. Offensively - Linehan is terrible. Defensively - I think Rod and his staff are tip top and now have some athletes that can change games. It shows. I wonder what Garrett would look like if a competent OC came in and was given free reign to change the offense. I bet Garrett would look a lot better.

which playoff team has bad players. Saying he was propped up by good player? Duh so are other HC no one is winning with crappy talent

 

[Runwildboys]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

From what I've seen and read, people in the NFL have a lot of respect for Garrett, and think he's very good for the Cowboys. Whether they think it's because he handles management better than most others could, or that he has the hearts of the players, or whatever reason, JG gets more props from people outside the fandom.

 

[Sydla]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

There are more reasons to want Garrett to win outside of just being the Cowboys coach.

He seems like a class act on and off the field. He's not an embarrassment to the organization. With the craziness that comes with Jery as owner, he can be that even keel at times. He's such a great representative of the franchise that I'd have no problem if the Cowboys decided he wasn't the answer at coach but could be the GM. I think he's got the temperament and a decent enough eye for talent to handle that position.

But first and foremost, I am a fan of the team. I want them to win SBs. I am not in this to root for the good guys and just be happy that I am rooting for the good guys and whatever happens, well great.

Garrett is not a horrible coach. Some have opined that at various times throughout his tenure. Its absurd. You don't win the number of games he has by being awful. The flipside is he's not great or elite. Maybe my expectations are out of whack but as a fan of the Cowboys, I think they deserve to have that kind of coach. That's the type of coach I expect my franchise to have. If they don't, then I am going to criticize them for it.

I don't understand the logic of "well, we could do worse". What does that even mean? That we could hire Jeff Fisher and not make the playoffs at all and just be a crappy team? Yeah that would suck but in the grand scheme of things, at this point, to me, there isn't much difference between Jeff Fisher running this team and Garrett because in the end, it's unlikely either can win a SB here. So that's why I have never been afraid of jettisoning Garrett and searching for the next great NFL coach. I am willing to take the risk on the obvious downside because I want a chance at the upside. I don't think this coach has that upside.

I was all for the Garrett hiring 8.5 seasons ago. It made sense to me. He had a reputation around the league as the next up and comer. I bought in. 8 full seasons later, now with evidence and a resume built, I am not sure it makes sense to continue with him, especially if he were to lose Sat night and yet again not make the NFCCG.

I am not one of those idiots who just hates the guy. There is no question that the best possible outcome for this franchise is that Garrett wins on Saturday night, we make a run and Garrett proves that patience shown to him by Jerry and some fans was worth it. I will gladly sit here and take the beating from Idgit and other pro-Garrett people if Garrett goes on to prove me wrong. I would most certainly be happy to be wrong on Garrett.

I just don't think it's very likely I will be given what he's accomplished to date and when you look at his tenure in historical context with other SB winning coaches and coaches that have had long tenures in one place like him.

 

[pansophy]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

Interestingly, I've found "aggressive" "go for it on 4th down" to be a better manager of the clock. It may be that his clock management woes have been rooted in being too conservative generally.

 

[CATCH17]

Parcells has a coaching tree. Bill Walsh has a coaching tree. Even Tony Dungy. Does Garrett have guys that went on to become good head coaches?

Garrett had no experience so to make up for it they hired older coaches.

 

[Whyjerry]

which playoff team has bad players. Saying he was propped up by good player? Duh so are other HC no one is winning with crappy talent

Moron Dallas has had good talent on offense throughout his tenure. Good QB. Are you too stupid to see that?

 

[Doomsday101]

Garrett had no experience so to make up for it they hired older coaches.

Like the Rams hiring Wade Phillips?

 

[gmb1]

Garrett had no experience so to make up for it they hired older coaches.

So nobody in the last 9 years? LOL

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I am tough on Jason Garrett. I think he is a terrible in-game coach. That said, I agree that he has a lot of other good qualities. They have drafted much better over the recent years. He offensives has been propped up by good players. They did not invest in the defense for a long time so the results there were spotty. Offensively - Linehan is terrible. Defensively - I think Rod and his staff are tip top and now have some athletes that can change games. It shows. I wonder what Garrett would look like if a competent OC came in and was given free reign to change the offense. I bet Garrett would look a lot better.

I agree with you on Linehan and Marinelli.

 

[Doomsday101]

Moron Dallas has had good talent on offense throughout his tenure. Good QB. Are you too stupid to see that?

as does other teams who are not in the playoffs jerk off. What, Dallas is the only team with any talent? what an idiot. Now you want to stop the name calling or shall we continue. Running around making claims Dallas needs talent to prop up the coach what team does not rely on talent?

 

[CATCH17]

Like the Rams hiring Wade Phillips?

Similar. McVay knows hes not a defensive guy so Wade is perfect for him.

But you're already seeing teams try to get guys associated with McVay. Matt Lafleur was hired as the Packers head coach because of it.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

So nobody in the last 9 years? LOL

About the only guy you could say came from this tree was Eberflus, the DC in Indy right now. Jerry did say they wanted to groom Garrett on the job, looking at this as a long-term play. I think that the investment needs to be fruitful moving forward because the leash runs out for everyone eventually.

 

[Runwildboys]

Interestingly, I've found "aggressive" "go for it on 4th down" to be a better manager of the clock. It may be that his clock management woes have been rooted in being too conservative generally.

That, and the occasional time out, or spiking of the ball being used unnecessarily....but I think most of the mistakes are overblown. The "icing his own kicker" thing needs to be forgotten. It's just not a credible criticism.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

garrett should be in the front office.
the worst thing about garrett is that he does not appear to learn from his mistakes (eg. timekeeping), for whatever reason.

I think generally that's fair. But you have to admit he's seemed more willing to evolve this season, maybe because he knew he was coaching for his job.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

There are more reasons to want Garrett to win outside of just being the Cowboys coach.

He seems like a class act on and off the field. He's not an embarrassment to the organization. With the craziness that comes with Jery as owner, he can be that even keel at times. He's such a great representative of the franchise that I'd have no problem if the Cowboys decided he wasn't the answer at coach but could be the GM. I think he's got the temperament and a decent enough eye for talent to handle that position.

But first and foremost, I am a fan of the team. I want them to win SBs. I am not in this to root for the good guys and just be happy that I am rooting for the good guys and whatever happens, well great.

Garrett is not a horrible coach. Some have opined that at various times throughout his tenure. Its absurd. You don't win the number of games he has by being awful. The flipside is he's not great or elite. Maybe my expectations are out of whack but as a fan of the Cowboys, I think they deserve to have that kind of coach. That's the type of coach I expect my franchise to have. If they don't, then I am going to criticize them for it.

I don't understand the logic of "well, we could do worse". What does that even mean? That we could hire Jeff Fisher and not make the playoffs at all and just be a crappy team? Yeah that would suck but in the grand scheme of things, at this point, to me, there isn't much difference between Jeff Fisher running this team and Garrett because in the end, it's unlikely either can win a SB here. So that's why I have never been afraid of jettisoning Garrett and searching for the next great NFL coach. I am willing to take the risk on the obvious downside because I want a chance at the upside. I don't think this coach has that upside.

I was all for the Garrett hiring 8.5 seasons ago. It made sense to me. He had a reputation around the league as the next up and comer. I bought in. 8 full seasons later, now with evidence and a resume built, I am not sure it makes sense to continue with him, especially if he were to lose Sat night and yet again not make the NFCCG.

I am not one of those idiots who just hates the guy. There is no question that the best possible outcome for this franchise is that Garrett wins on Saturday night, we make a run and Garrett proves that patience shown to him by Jerry and some fans was worth it. I will gladly sit here and take the beating from Idgit and other pro-Garrett people if Garrett goes on to prove me wrong. I would most certainly be happy to be wrong on Garrett.

I just don't think it's very likely I will be given what he's accomplished to date and when you look at his tenure in historical context with other SB winning coaches and coaches that have had long tenures in one place like him.

I understand the idea that Dallas fans want to have more than a mediocre head coach. That doesn't mean it's our birthright and it doesn't mean those guys are sitting out there for the plucking.