Baldy’s Breakdown on Kellen Moore’s OT Plan on Chargers Loss

[nalam]

KMs offense will work with a college team like Boise where talent is limited but NFL predictability is sniffed and immediately taken care of because the personnel gap is too small. And many posters have pointed out the fact KM still hasn’t grasped situational football which is very true

 

[JW82]

This is the type of stuff that drove me crazy. Moore has many positives, and can get your team to score points and rack up yards.

But when it comes to situational football he’s clueless. When it comes to nuanced plans of attack he’s clueless. Chargers fans have been complaining about end of game playcalling, something we saw versus GB and Jax last year.



My only hope is Mike doesn’t get too conservative. If not, I think he fixes many of Moore’s blindspots.

Always said KM just pulled random plays out of a hat with no situational awareness.

 

[Cowboys22]

KM is all about the offense and his perception as some boy wonder. He is not about team success. He can score a lot of points on weak teams and run the stats up but he also gives the other team extra possessions every game with turnovers and quick 3 and outs. It is no surprise that the Chargers have scored points and are still 0-2. Their worn out defense simply gives up more than he can score. A huge part of that is end of half and game play calling which leads to extra chances for the other team to score. I like KM but am glad he is gone. Poor situational play calling, antiquated route trees, and way too many 3 and outs were just so frustrating.

 

[buddieluver]

Always said KM just pulled random plays out of a hat with no situational awareness.

Broaddus pretty much said the same thing about KM said he was a caller of plays and had no scheme or feel for the game.

 

[CowboysDrew]

Kellen Moore's offense and play calling is designed with almost no acknowledgement that there'll be a defense that will try to stop it, or understanding that the QB does not have unlimited time to wait for all his routes to develop.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Moore’s plan is always the same: push the ball down the field no matter the situation. It leads to lots of yards and scoring.

It also leads to poor situational football.

The Bears game last season was the quintessential Moore game. A contest that should’ve featured no second half drama is 28-23 in the third because Moore’s aggressiveness led to turnovers.

 

[CWR]

This is the type of stuff that drove me crazy. Moore has many positives, and can get your team to score points and rack up yards.

But when it comes to situational football he’s clueless. When it comes to nuanced plans of attack he’s clueless. Chargers fans have been complaining about end of game playcalling, something we saw versus GB and Jax last year.



My only hope is Mike doesn’t get too conservative. If not, I think he fixes many of Moore’s blindspots.

The same guys who hated regurgitating stats with Dak loved doing it to support KM. He's a crap coach, if you want to actually win games.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Play design? Lol what? His play design is terrible. The only time his offense works is when his men beat the other men. That's it. He learned from Garrett. There is no scheme or design to open the field up. Stop routes, out routes, predictability. That is what you get from Moore. I'd want him nowhere near my staff.

Nah I would disagree completely. He's a terrible play caller because he reverts back to the same vertical based concepts when things get tight. You go back to 2022, and even 2021 a bit though and there was some brilliance sprinkled in. His TE usage, slot receivers, our play action design, even a lot of our run design (although I wonder if that wasn't more due to Schottenheimer) was really quite brilliant. There is a lot of good to take from KM, he just has zero feel for how to call a game, how to have plays that play off each other, and he simply cant resist going back to those darn curl routes lol. He calls a game almost like he's playing madden.

Good offensive mind, but he shouldn't be an OC as he just hasn't developed all the tools yet. KM as an OC is kind of like going to your tire guy for advice on how to fix your transmission.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Some on this board were saying KM would no longer use stop routes because he had a real QB on the Chargers, lol.

WOW I do remember that. Good call!

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I'll be honest....not sure that is on Moore vs Herbert. 1st and 2nd down he had a guy in the flat and a guy crossing open and went with the covered deep pattern. Not saying he didn't have blame going 3 straight like that but overall QB has to be better and take what is there

The QB here was criticised on many occasions for doing this under KMs offense.....just saying

 

[Praxit]

Swagu, talked about this earlier in week. Another good reason Boy WOnder is gone.

 

[beware_d-ware]

There were guys open on the first two downs. Manufacturing separation is all an OC can do... after that, it's up to the players to execute.

And you can't bash Garrett football, then blame KM for not calling a dive run on 1st down.

 

[gimmesix]

Many of us feel like Herbert is more physically gifted than Dak. But we will now see that regardless how gifted you are poor detail and predictability is going to hamper any QB. Especially versus a good/playoff D.

I stand by the biggest issue being coaching. I really don’t think we go much farther if you were to replace Dak with Herbert these past few years.

Keep in mind Steve Young said this last year after our loss. “Dallas will never win with plays from 2005.” That Garrett tree has been recycling schematics for decades.

This staff is the best since Parcells. I no longer feel disadvantaged or like we are missing something going into a game. Much less headscratching than before.

Never saw that quote from Young, but it's a good one.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It's the first freaking season, 2 games in! At least show some semblance of objectivity, lol.

 

[DrlabonAggiesCowboys]

This is the type of stuff that drove me crazy. Moore has many positives, and can get your team to score points and rack up yards.

But when it comes to situational football he’s clueless. When it comes to nuanced plans of attack he’s clueless. Chargers fans have been complaining about end of game playcalling, something we saw versus GB and Jax last year.



My only hope is Mike doesn’t get too conservative. If not, I think he fixes many of Moore’s blindspots.

On the first play you can see a wide open receiver (at about the 30) for a gain of about 7-8 yards. The QB elected to throw into double coverage. I get what Baldy is saying but execution also plays a factor.

 

[doomsday9084]

A few years ago Denver's DC figured out that he could stymie the Cowboys' offense by sitting on those stop routes and the intermediate throws.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/dal/season/2021
Dallas was 6-1 but kind of limped to the finish and got washed in the first round. That issue didn't show up as much last year. It will be interesting if teams pull up the 2021 tape and do that to the Chargers.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

If he just hit the short routes it's fine. What is the problem here?

The first play, in particular, is just a miss by Herbert. It has nothing to do with the playcall, the guy is wide open.

 

[BHendri5]

Many of us feel like Herbert is more physically gifted than Dak. But we will now see that regardless how gifted you are poor detail and predictability is going to hamper any QB. Especially versus a good/playoff D.

I stand by the biggest issue being coaching. I really don’t think we go much farther if you were to replace Dak with Herbert these past few years.

Keep in mind Steve Young said this last year after our loss. “Dallas will never win with plays from 2005.” That Garrett tree has been recycling schematics for decades.

This staff is the best since Parcells. I no longer feel disadvantaged or like we are missing something going into a game. Much less headscratching than before.

First Parcells was done when he got here, the game had passed him by like it did Landry, Chuck Knoll, and Don Shula, all those guys refused to progress wth the game, they felt that they could still win the way they won. Secondly, I know you don't like Garrett so I'm going to say this for the millionth time that idiot Kellen Moore is not from the Garrett tree, he was not running Jason Garrett's offense, Kellen moore with his high school john madden plays.
Kellen Moore is a disciple of Scott Linehan, who was a bum OC that only wants to pass the ball

 

[Miller]

If he just hit the short routes it's fine. What is the problem here?

The first play, in particular, is just a miss by Herbert. It has nothing to do with the playcall, the guy is wide open.

Exactly what I said. First 2 plays he had guys short. Guy made bad decisions

 

[817Gill]

Never saw that quote from Young, but it's a good one.

“The 49ers have a head coach who is as innovative as anybody in the league, at a time when the Cowboys last year are running 2015 plays and don’t have a chance,” Young said.

Who is Young calling out? Former Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore? Coach Mike McCarthy?

article link:

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...y-playoffs-rumors-nfc-training-camp-no-chance

I also believe I misquoted and said 2005 which I should’ve caught, but point stands.