Barry Bonds goes off, again

[Nors]

Greatest Player ever?

Hiiting .375, intentionally walked 100 times and over 200 times in total. Has hit 73 homers in a season. On way to 7th MVP, 4th in a row at age 40. On base % of over .600

If he's not the best ever, then I never saw him play. Maybe Ruth but this list only has 3 or 4 names on it. Bonds is on that list.

 

[Tio]

If bonds wasn't juicing up, I'd agree with you...

 

[Nors]

Juice doesn't let you hit .370 two of last 3 seasons

The guy can flat out hit.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Juice doesn't let you hit .370 two of last 3 seasons

The guy can flat out hit.

It may not let you hit but it does let you hit them out.

 

[Wolverine]

Steroids dont help hittin the ball so I think Bonds would still have the good average he does. But if Bonds was not on the Steroids then I think he ends his career with just barely over 500 career HRs. Steroids have added a good 200+ HRs to his total. Imagine how many HRs Babe Ruth would have hit if he could have had some roids like Bonds.

 

[Nors]

Steroids dont help hittin the ball so I think Bonds would still have the good average he does. But if Bonds was not on the Steroids then I think he ends his career with just barely over 500 career HRs. Steroids have added a good 200+ HRs to his total. Imagine how many HRs Babe Ruth would have hit if he could have had some roids like Bonds.

Hank Aaron hit more homers age 35-40 than any other 5 year span in his career. With age comes experience and naturally occuring weight gains.

Look at AAron and Bonds at 25 then at 40. Both added weight later in careers.

Who's to say RUTH WASN'T ON ENHANCERS?

 

[Nors]

Bonds has never hit more than 49 in a season. That is consistency - not roids. I'm sure he is legally taking every supplement not banned. McGuire admitted using Andro. That, with creatine and the ilk allows players to Work out harder and longer. All stuff you can buy at GNC.

Just taking steroids doesn't give you bulging muscles


Career Stats

Batting
Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
1986 PIT 113 413 72 92 26 3 16 48 65 102 36 7 .223 .330 .416 .746
1987 PIT 150 551 99 144 34 9 25 59 54 88 32 10 .261 .329 .492 .821
1988 PIT 144 538 97 152 30 5 24 58 72 82 17 11 .283 .368 .491 .859
1989 PIT 159 580 96 144 34 6 19 58 93 93 32 10 .248 .351 .426 .777
1990 PIT 151 519 104 156 32 3 33 114 93 83 52 13 .301 .406 .565 .970
1991 PIT 153 510 95 149 28 5 25 116 107 73 43 13 .292 .410 .514 .924
1992 PIT 140 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 127 69 39 8 .311 .456 .624 1.080
1993 SFO 159 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 29 12 .336 .458 .677 1.136
1994 SFO 112 391 89 122 18 1 37 81 74 43 29 9 .312 .426 .647 1.073
1995 SFO 144 506 109 149 30 7 33 104 120 83 31 10 .294 .432 .577 1.009
1996 SFO 158 517 122 159 27 3 42 129 151 76 40 7 .308 .461 .615 1.076
1997 SFO 159 532 123 155 26 5 40 101 145 87 37 8 .291 .446 .585 1.031
1998 SFO 156 552 120 167 44 7 37 122 130 92 28 12 .303 .438 .609 1.047
1999 SFO 102 355 91 93 20 2 34 83 73 62 15 2 .262 .389 .617 1.006
2000 SFO 143 480 129 147 28 4 49 106 117 77 11 3 .306 .440 .688 1.127
2001 SFO 153 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 13 3 .328 .515 .863 1.379
2002 SFO 143 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 9 2 .370 .582 .799 1.381
2003 SFO 130 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 7 0 .341 .529 .749 1.278
2004 SFO 133 343 119 128 27 1 42 96 207 34 6 1 .373 .611 .825 1.436
Career 2702 9068 2060 2723 563 75 700 1838 2277 1421 506 141 .300 .442 .611 1.052

Fielding
Year Team POS G GS INN PO TC A E DP FPCT
1997 SFO LF 159 158 1372 290 305 10 5 1 .984
1998 SFO LF 155 154 1337 301 308 2 5 0 .984
1999 SFO LF 96 95 794 177 184 4 3 2 .984
2000 SFO LF 141 138 1151 255 266 8 3 4 .989
2001 SFO LF 143 141 1231 246 261 9 6 1 .977
2002 SFO LF 135 133 1115 241 253 4 8 2 .968
2003 SFO LF 123 122 1044 236 243 5 2 2 .992
2004 SFO LF 120 119 1020 194 209 11 4 0 .981
Total 1148 1122 9493 2035 2128 54 39 12 .982





Last updated through games completed on Sep 17, 2004

 

[Wolverine]

Hank Aaron was 5'11" 180 pounds. He never weighed more than 180. Barry Bonds between the season ending before the season he hit 73 HRs went from weighing 195 to 230 lbs in less than 6 months at 35 or 36 years old. You dont gain that kind of muscle that fast without steroids. btw the steroids he was using was called Winstrol. He is a roid monster.

 

[GTaylor]

Who's to say RUTH WASN'T ON ENHANCERS?

Unless food is considered an enhancer then the Babe was clean. I only know this because steroids came to be known after his career ended (I want to say the 50s but not sure).

The argument against the Babe, if you want to make it, is that during his day pitchers played the full 9 innings, so imagine Barry being able to hit all day against the likes of Chan Ho Park, and other horrible pitchers today.

But here's a stat noone today can touch, besides Babe's record as a hitter, he was 94-46 as a pitcher with a 2.28 ERA...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hank Aaron hit more homers age 35-40 than any other 5 year span in his career. With age comes experience and naturally occuring weight gains.

Look at AAron and Bonds at 25 then at 40. Both added weight later in careers.

Who's to say RUTH WASN'T ON ENHANCERS?

How old are you Nors? I remember Bonds breaking in with the Pirates. I remember how big he was. I remember his dad Bobby. I just don't buy it.

 

[Tio]

Hank Aaron was 5'11" 180 pounds. He never weighed more than 180. Barry Bonds between the season ending before the season he hit 73 HRs went from weighing 195 to 230 lbs in less than 6 months at 35 or 36 years old. You dont gain that kind of muscle that fast without steroids. btw the steroids he was using was called Winstrol. He is a roid monster.

Just look at bonds's head to face ratio...proof enough...

 

[Nors]

Hank Aaron was 5'11" 180 pounds. He never weighed more than 180. Barry Bonds between the season ending before the season he hit 73 HRs went from weighing 195 to 230 lbs in less than 6 months at 35 or 36 years old. You dont gain that kind of muscle that fast without steroids. btw the steroids he was using was called Winstrol. He is a roid monster.

He was over 190 in 1974 per baseball card. I bet he was closer to 200 and closer to 170 as a rookie. He played in a park called "the launching pad"

Bonds was 185 as a rookie, Players work harder and take care of themselves better. It was taboo to lift weights in that era.

Maybe Bonds is just Great. My age? Lets say my favorite player when I was 7 was Bobby Bonds! Giants fan my whole life! Jack Clark - there's another 175 pound guy who ended career at 230.

What I have going for me? I bought literally 300 Barry Bonds Rookie cards 85/86/87 era. Some valued as high as $700 ea! Yeagh Baby! Go 800..............

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Juice doesn't let you hit .370 two of last 3 seasons

The guy can flat out hit.

Juice enhances everything, even the most crucial element of hitting - bat speed.

Sup Nors?

 

[Nors]

Juice enhances everything, even the most crucial element of hitting - bat speed.

Sup Nors?

I'll have to back off this stance

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was over 190 in 1974 per baseball card. I bet he was closer to 200 and closer to 170 as a rookie. He played in a park called "the launching pad"

Bonds was 185 as a rookie, Players work harder and take care of themselves better. It was taboo to lift weights in that era.

Maybe Bonds is just Great. My age? Lets say my favorite player when I was 7 was Bobby Bonds! Giants fan my whole life! Jack Clark - there's another 175 pound guy who ended career at 230.

What I have going for me? I bought literally 300 Barry Bonds Rookie cards 85/86/87 era. Some valued as high as $700 ea! Yeagh Baby! Go 800..............

The launch pad was in Atlanta, Fulton County Stadium, where Hank played 9 seasons I believe but he started in Milwaukee. At that time, I believe the stadium was Milwaukee County Stadium. Hank was actually signed by the Boston Braves but played his 1st 13 seasons in Milwaukee. He later came back to Milwaukee to finish out his career, 2 season but as a Brewer I believe.

 

[SALADIN]

Greatest Player ever?

Hiiting .375, intentionally walked 100 times and over 200 times in total. Has hit 73 homers in a season. On way to 7th MVP, 4th in a row at age 40. On base % of over .600

If he's not the best ever, then I never saw him play. Maybe Ruth but this list only has 3 or 4 names on it. Bonds is on that list.

Modern era perhaps however, I still think that there is nothing like the first greatest of all time and that's the Say Hey kid, the very definition of the 5 point player.

Kinda like a Jim Brown. Sure Emmitt has the all-time stats but there will never again be a Jim Brown, a Pele, or Jordan.

MLB's players stats before intergration are bogus.


*Edit* off topic - Who the hell changed my name to jumper. Only boozy woozy and a few in my selective inner circle can call me that!

Besides. that was almost a year ago, I know I'm not young anymore and my love affair with dramatics and balcony's is OVER!