Basketball team loses 100-0...Coach fired

[tomson75]

WTH?

You don't think when you are up 50-0, let alone 100-0 you are running up the score with all of your starters STILL playing? What planet are you living on dude? Wow.

It would be one thing if they beat the team 100-0 with their bench players playing half of the game, because you can't really intentionally play with less than 5 players.

They didn't intentionally run up the score, what a load of B.S.

we have become soft as a nation typical over reaction by people and the media sometimes you just get your arse kicked.

I can see both sides of this argument, but tend to agree with those that don't get all worked up over it. Some folks just need to toughen up a bit IMO...but the coach's actions are borderline. He should've played the backups.

 

[tomson75]

"Weak Sauce".

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[theogt]

Good for the chicks that are good enough to put up 100-0.

The other girls are just getting exercise.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I ref blowouts like these all the time. It's almost easier to keep the starters in than the backups. Backups rarely get time so they're gonna play hard in order to get more playing time. Causings refs like me to have to pay more attn. Starters will just continue to roll the other team and it's alot easier to officiate. The goal is to keep the clock running.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Covenant coach fired
Grimes dismissed following team's 100-point win
Associated Press
Jan. 25, 2009, 7:39PM

DALLAS - The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize ``for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity.''

Kyle Queal, the headmaster for Covenant School, said in The Dallas Morning News online edition that he could not answer if the firing was a direct result of coach Micah Grimes' e-mail disagreeing with administrators who called the blowout ``shameful.''

Queal did not immediately answer phone messages or e-mail from The Associated Press.

On its Web site last week, Covenant, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy. ``It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition,'' said the statement, signed by Queal and board chair Todd Doshier.

Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail Sunday to the newspaper that he does not agree with his school's assessment.

``In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed,'' Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. ``We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity.''

A phone number for Grimes could not be located by The Associated Press. The Dallas Morning News said Grimes did not respond to their repeated e-mail requests for a telephone interview.

There was no answer at a number listed for Doshier.

A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers - even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with ``learning differences,'' such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become one-sided. There is, however, ``a golden rule'' that should have applied in this contest, Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, said last week. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

The story has received national attention, and the Dallas Academy team has been recognized for refusing to give up during the lopsided contest.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6229956.html

 

[tomson75]

Not surprised. From the message that my sister left me, it sounds as if The Covenant School is incredibly embarrassed by this whole thing. The coach's future was likely sealed the second this story went national.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

2 things:

1. Why were these two teams matched up to begin with?
2. If we had lost 100-0 would our coach have been fired?(obviously 44-6 was a big enough margin)

Just asking............

 

[Yeagermeister]

2 things:

1. Why were these two teams matched up to begin with?
2. If we had lost 100-0 would our coach have been fired?(obviously 44-6 was a big enough margin)

Just asking............

Probably the same school district.....just guessing

 

[tomson75]

Probably the same school district.....just guessing

They are both VERY small private schools as well. We don't have many schools like that in VA, but apparently there are quite a few in Texas. Hence the prevalence of 6 man football down there.

...but I'd imagine there aren't that many that they can avoid scheduling teams with identical athletic resources. I know first hand that my nephews have been on both sides of some serious *** whoopins in football, basketball, and baseball at the Covenant School.

 

[xWraithx]

I ref blowouts like these all the time. It's almost easier to keep the starters in than the backups. Backups rarely get time so they're gonna play hard in order to get more playing time. Causings refs like me to have to pay more attn. Starters will just continue to roll the other team and it's alot easier to officiate. The goal is to keep the clock running.

so you're a referree, eh? it all makes sense now..

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think it's crazy that the coach got fired.

 

[Jon88]

I think it's crazy that the coach got fired.

He went against what his school said about the win and refused to apologize so he was canned.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I ref blowouts like these all the time. It's almost easier to keep the starters in than the backups. Backups rarely get time so they're gonna play hard in order to get more playing time. Causings refs like me to have to pay more attn. Starters will just continue to roll the other team and it's alot easier to officiate. The goal is to keep the clock running.

When I used to play footieball (way back before my knee lost a fight with a helmet), We used to pummel teams by an average of 40 points by the third quarter. We pulled all starters and were instructed to do what we could to run out the clock and when we got to the Red-Zone, just kneel.

You're right about the second/third string players playing harder, but that just isn't an excuse for the coach to allow them to double up a halftime score. Just a shameful lack of sportsmanship.

 

[Yeagermeister]

When I used to play footieball (way back before my knee lost a fight with a helmet), We used to pummel teams by an average of 40 points by the third quarter. We pulled all starters and were instructed to do what we could to run out the clock and when we got to the Red-Zone, just kneel.

You're right about the second/third string players playing harder, but that just isn't an excuse for the coach to allow them to double up a halftime score. Just a shameful lack of sportsmanship.

I agree unless you are playing the Commanders, Eagles or Giants :laugh2:

 

[WoodysGirl]

When I used to play footieball (way back before my knee lost a fight with a helmet), We used to pummel teams by an average of 40 points by the third quarter. We pulled all starters and were instructed to do what we could to run out the clock and when we got to the Red-Zone, just kneel.

You're right about the second/third string players playing harder, but that just isn't an excuse for the coach to allow them to double up a halftime score. Just a shameful lack of sportsmanship.

Like I said, I call these types of games all the time. The coach tells the players to back off on defense. They do. However, the other team is so bad that they can't shoot, can't dribble, can't even pass the ball. So the other players grab the ball and then run it for a fast break. Even when they stop the fast break, the other team can't stop the other team scoring.

 

[Bizwah]

Sports teach us many lessons. How to win. How to lose. How to compete. How to take a whuppin. How to give a whuppin.

It's one thing to run up the score and rub it in. It's quite another to have your second-string/third-string in the game and have them continue to play hard. I would never tell a team to not play hard. There's a difference in playing hard.....and rubbing it in.

I would expect to see 2nd and 3rd stringers play hard and hustle. I would NOT be pressing....I would expect them to take good shots....If the score keeps getting worse...then you simply have the players work the offense. You have them pass a certain number of times....

I'm against the wussification of our kids. But I'm FOR teaching the kids compassion and respect as well.

My daughter's basketball team stinks. It's a team made up of kids that haven't played a lot. They are players that didn't get to play on the "travelling" teams.

I had to take on coaching duties because there wasn't anyone that could do it. We had all of three practices before our first game on Sat. I'm friends with the other coach who immediately recognized how poor we were. We lost by forty points. But I wasn't angry. She refused to press and even told her players to start their defense on the free-throw line.

She apologized after the game.....but there was no need. Her players played hard....she didn't press...she did all she could to make sure our players had fun.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Like I said, I call these types of games all the time. The coach tells the players to back off on defense. They do. However, the other team is so bad that they can't shoot, can't dribble, can't even pass the ball. So the other players grab the ball and then run it for a fast break. Even when they stop the fast break, the other team can't stop the other team scoring.

The coach can stop his team from scoring. The players are kids that get caught up in the moment, but the coach is an adult who has the ability to step in. If this was even a College level game, I might agree with you more, but a Grade School Christian Academy is supposed to emphasize sportsmanship over annihilating your opponent. The Coach could have instructed the players to do so many things to keep the score down (dribble/pass until the shot clock ran down, no lay-ups, soften Defense, etc), but he instead allowed them to run it up and then went against his own employer by defending the action. His dismissal was a good move by the school.

 

[tomson75]

He went against what his school said about the win and refused to apologize so he was canned.

Yep. They had agreed to keep him on until season's end under the stipulation that he had no contact with the media whatsoever. He wasn't canned for the lopsided win.

I finally got a hold of my sister today. She's all worked up over this.

Some things of note:

-Both schools are almost identical in size, and both belong to the same Texas private school regulations, scholastically and athletically.

-The Covenant School didn't put in backups because there are only THREE of them. They were rotated in and out of the game for rest accordingly.

-They didn't use the press defense in the second half, and the evil "3 pointer's" that the girls were throwing up in the second half were nearly from the half court line because of the likelihood of success. ONE 3 pointer went in in the second half.

-There are no mercy rules in this basketball league...unlike that in the 6 man football that it plays, or the mercy rule that applies to their baseball teams.



My sister feels that the coach deserves the majority of the blame for running up the score more than they should have. She said "there were other things he could have done to limit scoring in the second half. He made some changes to limit it, but he could have made more." Again, there were only 3 bench players.

She basically feels that the coach and the media are the only people to bear fault here.

The media apparently takes liberties with ANY juicy story...not just the Cowboys.

Take this for what it's worth. This info is second hand from people that actually attended the game (which the media did not). Just passing it along.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Yep. They had agreed to keep him on until season's end under the stipulation that he had no contact with the media whatsoever. He wasn't canned for the lopsided win.

I finally got a hold of my sister today. She's all worked up over this.

Some things of note:

-Both schools are almost identical in size, and both belong to the same Texas private school regulations, scholastically and athletically.

-The Covenant School didn't put in backups because there are only THREE of them. They were rotated in and out of the game for rest accordingly.

-They didn't use the press defense in the second half, and the evil "3 pointer's" that the girls were throwing up in the second half were nearly from the half court line because of the likelihood of success. ONE 3 pointer went in in the second half.

-There are no mercy rules in this basketball league...unlike that in the 6 man football that it plays, or the mercy rule that applies to their baseball teams.



My sister feels that the coach deserves the majority of the blame for running up the score more than they should have. She said "there were other things he could have done to limit scoring in the second half. He made some changes to limit it, but he could have made more." Again, there were only 3 bench players.

She basically feels that the coach and the media are the only people to bear fault here.

The media apparently takes liberties with ANY juicy story...not just the Cowboys.

Take this for what it's worth. This info is second hand from people that actually attended the game (which the media did not). Just passing it along.

Now that we know the full truth he should not have lost his job. The only thing he could have done was make them hold the ball until the shot clock ran down and take a turnover.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Now that we know the full truth he should not have lost his job. The only thing he could have done was make them hold the ball until the shot clock ran down and take a turnover.

I would totally agree with that if he had just went along with the school's apology. Once he tried to defend himself, he should have done it with his bags packed because that school was going to give him da Boot!