Battle Lines: RB room has a great problem

McKDaddy

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Pollard is a much better runner today than he was when he was drafted though.

His lower body strength has increased a bunch from when he first entered the league.
I don't doubt that at all ... but he came into the league with 4.3 speed & receiving skills. He should have been utilized more than he was in his early years.

Guess the lack of usage may actually benefit him \ team now though.
 

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I don't doubt that at all ... but he came into the league with 4.3 speed & receiving skills. He should have been utilized more than he was in his early years.

Guess the lack of usage may actually benefit him \ team now though.
Yea they should have used him more in the passing game for sure.
 

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Just to catch people up, I believe 5 RB's in the NFL averaged 16 or more carries per game last year. Two of them averaged 20 or more.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc

Most teams have figured out that RB's really do start to lose a step as they tire which is why virtually every team platoons.

Dallas' concern is not Pollard, who is one of the best backs in the NFL in a normal NFL RB load and role. Its RB2.
 

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Wear down? Yeah he got injured but who do you compare him to to make your point? Zeke had maybe 2 good years with of being a rb mixed in with allot of blah 2 yard into piles of players while there is gasping holes on both sides type of plays. The guy had very poor vision for most of his career
First off stop bringing zeke into this every time and then being wrong about it he had four good years in a row he got paid and then guess what 2020 happened COVID happened injuries happen coaching staff got replaced it was a lost season literally 17 or more injuries that year 11 different offensive line changes and no Prescott that pretty much sums up 2020 in 2021 and 2022 he had injuries right around the midway point that slowed him down but he started those two years out near 5 yards per carry he was playing well he looked in shape he had wiggle he had moves like his old self maybe not 2016 so now I got that straight let's get off zeke's short and curlies please the man was one of the best running backs to ever suit up we've already seen the mean the dude has 8300 yards plus tons of touchdowns some good receiving stats and was ranked what third all time in Cowboys history maybe have to go look but I don't think people realize how good he was just because injuries and age caught up to him doesn't mean you get to stay here and say you only had two good years when he nearly the first three years coming out of college could have had three straight rushing titles if he wasn't suspended so that means 2016/17 and 18 he was very good.. And in 2019 with a brand new offensive coordinator who was more pass happy he still was fifth in the league in scrimmage yards so somehow that's four years into his career were you say 2.. OK so you don't know how to do math and your eyes are really bad..

But you wanna know why we said Tony Pollard wore down maybe you weren't paying attention the last five games of the year which includes the playoffs 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns 51 yards per game no explosive plays and two injuries.

You need anymore proof of that I mean he did wear down , stats don't lie the man did not close the season very well he was not the old Tony Pollard and I believe it had everything to do with him moving from 15 to close to 19 carries per game and he wore down so we need to use 3 running backs for the running back by committee yes he's the starter he should get his 15 carries he might get 18 if he's hot but literally yes to your question to jazz cat he did wear down.. If you wanna keep Tony Pollard explosive you're gonna have to limit his carries he was like that in college he's been like that in the NFL there is no proof of anything to the contrary. That's not a knock on the guy I mean he even came out and then he made a joke about it but we all know he was huffing and puffing he couldn't finish that one game he even made a statement we all got to hear who is coach or teammate then he took it back and says he was only joking no we saw him the dude was grasping for air.
 

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Pollard himself said the wore down in the game he started for Zeke....just one game...not over an entire season or a career....

Maybe he does ok as his stamina needs to improve, and maybe it will. But until he shows it, there is no depth at RB, no proven depth.
ok, well then we had that problem for awhile. probably right about not having a proven depth, but these days what is proven depth at the RB position considering their viability is only good for a few years anyway. So Zeke wasnt the answer, we needed to move on.
 

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First off stop bringing zeke into this every time and then being wrong about it he had four good years in a row he got paid and then guess what 2020 happened COVID happened injuries happen coaching staff got replaced it was a lost season literally 17 or more injuries that year 11 different offensive line changes and no Prescott that pretty much sums up 2020 in 2021 and 2022 he had injuries right around the midway point that slowed him down but he started those two years out near 5 yards per carry he was playing well he looked in shape he had wiggle he had moves like his old self maybe not 2016 so now I got that straight let's get off zeke's short and curlies please the man was one of the best running backs to ever suit up we've already seen the mean the dude has 8300 yards plus tons of touchdowns some good receiving stats and was ranked what third all time in Cowboys history maybe have to go look but I don't think people realize how good he was just because injuries and age caught up to him doesn't mean you get to stay here and say you only had two good years when he nearly the first three years coming out of college could have had three straight rushing titles if he wasn't suspended so that means 2016/17 and 18 he was very good.. And in 2019 with a brand new offensive coordinator who was more pass happy he still was fifth in the league in scrimmage yards so somehow that's four years into his career were you say 2.. OK so you don't know how to do math and your eyes are really bad..

But you wanna know why we said Tony Pollard wore down maybe you weren't paying attention the last five games of the year which includes the playoffs 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns 51 yards per game no explosive plays and two injuries.

You need anymore proof of that I mean he did wear down , stats don't lie the man did not close the season very well he was not the old Tony Pollard and I believe it had everything to do with him moving from 15 to close to 19 carries per game and he wore down so we need to use 3 running backs for the running back by committee yes he's the starter he should get his 15 carries he might get 18 if he's hot but literally yes to your question to jazz cat he did wear down.. If you wanna keep Tony Pollard explosive you're gonna have to limit his carries he was like that in college he's been like that in the NFL there is no proof of anything to the contrary. That's not a knock on the guy I mean he even came out and then he made a joke about it but we all know he was huffing and puffing he couldn't finish that one game he even made a statement we all got to hear who is coach or teammate then he took it back and says he was only joking no we saw him the dude was grasping for air.
lol no offense to you, but some people take football too serious. ok, I guess considering we haven't even sniffed a SB in almost 30 years, Zeke for a few would be a positive considering the running game has changed in the game of football considering the NFL front office through rule changes (which has ruined the game of football for those who remember football when it was real football). and yes stats do not reveal the story. But its ok, I don't really mind others having a different Opinion than me so you don't agree with my opinion of Zeke, totally fine. that would be consistent with the state of the game as it is today.
 

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Wear down? Yeah he got injured but who do you compare him to to make your point? Zeke had maybe 2 good years with of being a rb mixed in with allot of blah 2 yard into piles of players while there is gasping holes on both sides type of plays. The guy had very poor vision for most of his career
I don't think Zeke had poor vision, but the difference was how quick he was able to get through the creases. He couldn't get there fast enough and at the 2nd level there was no next gear. Injuries took their toll and the worst thing he did was play through the PCL in 2021.
 

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Random musings on the topic (not directed toward OP in any way)

It's a shame it took them so long to utilize Pollard's skill set. He's a great weapon. Let's hope the leadership maximizes his effectiveness.

I find it funny that so many have talked ad nauseum about RB's being a dime a dozen yet when we finally appear ready to utilize a less pedigreed stable there is suddenly angst and incessant talk of who they should go get.

If our OL does their job, I think the group we have will do just fine. However, let me be clear. RB talent does matter regardless of OL performance. There is a difference between Emmitt and Eddy Lacy regardless of the blocking in front of them. There will always be times where things won't be ideal and the RB's ability to overcome can really change the situations your team faces.

I think Davis could blossom. I really don't know much about the rook's. Hopefully they justify some of the lofty expectations I have seen on this board.
I will find nothing funny in the fact that your ilk will be blaming the OL when (not if) Pollard is injured and we don’t have a run game anymore
 

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ok, well then we had that problem for awhile. probably right about not having a proven depth, but these days what is proven depth at the RB position considering their viability is only good for a few years anyway. So Zeke wasnt the answer, we needed to move on.
Zeke is 3rd all time rusher for Dallas.

How bad could he be?
 

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There you have it. Now will they gear the offense running plays to Pollard skill set. Something Moore would / could not do.
Tony Pollard in '21 and '22 averaged a mere 5.34 yards per carry in Kellen Moore's offense. Can you name backs who did better in that stretch*?

A great bonfire is coming. Here. Soon.

*With a qualifying number of carries
 

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lol no offense to you, but some people take football too serious. ok, I guess considering we haven't even sniffed a SB in almost 30 years, Zeke for a few would be a positive considering the running game has changed in the game of football considering the NFL front office through rule changes (which has ruined the game of football for those who remember football when it was real football). and yes stats do not reveal the story. But its ok, I don't really mind others having a different Opinion than me so you don't agree with my opinion of Zeke, totally fine. that would be consistent with the state of the game as it is today.
That's cool everyone's entitled to their opinion but the fact is most players are judged by their stats.

that's how they get paid by production, production equals stats ,

everyone that says that they don't matter and only wins matter you can't put one of sixty players accountable for wins and losses,

This is a team game , you know I find it ironic somebody put Gayle Sayers in the Hall of Fame with his meager production, he has no playoff history or no Super Bowls, they literally saw the guys talent and put him in, thats was a mistake for one I don't think the guy deserved it somehow they gave him a cookie because what his career could have been might have been so they didn't only not use stats they used projections and said hey this guy deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he might have been one of the best players to ever play the game..HMM??

how so how is a guy get in there with half the stats zeke has and he also has no rings, no championships, and no playoff history? I mean at least Elliott has two rushing titles could have had three in a row he led the league basically for four years in scrimmage yards and right now his career he has better stats than Terrell Davis and his stats equal to what Derek Henry's done and somehow people downplay what zeke did because he tailed off at the end of his career.

wow really a running back after seven years ran out of gas, given how much mileage he got his first four years, and also given what he did two straight years at Ohio State you do realize that he was the offense at Ohio State when they were in those playoff games it was zeke that carried that offense those were scrubs at quarterback the guy had back-to-back 1800 yard seasons... then comes into the NFL and nearly puts up 1700 yards in a rushing title his rookie year and his rushing stats his rookie year or almost what Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett did to put together as a rookie.

my point is zeke was almost happened to live up to his own lofty expectations he set as a rookie and the fact that he was picked number four overall but the man had a great career it's not his fault, it's not Prescott fault either it's not Tony romo's fault... you keep bringing up 30 years like a bunch of other what seemingly are common fans that like to parrot narratives you do realize these are players that weren't even born 30 years ago or 27 years ago they were not even here 10 years ago when we were striking out in the playoffs and yet somehow they're being held to a standard oh if they can't win in the playoffs and they win the big games their careers mean nothing.

that's ridiculous expectations set by fans creating false narratives parroting things that are being heat it up around the Internet and it's just not true. zeke had a great career whether you want to admit it or not because you didn't like that he got paid everyone that seems to get giant contracts and then somehow we don't end up having great playoff runs they all suck.

then somebody comes on and says well he only had two good years no you don't put up near 8300 yards and over 60 touchdowns by having a mediocre career in two years the man nearly had three straight rushing titles right out of college and he played very well for four years and it was the team that changed the coaching schemes that changed and injuries set in to a player who was used up and spit out around here.

That's all I'm saying I think too much credits given to other players on our 90s teams, Troy Aikman would never have been Troy Aikman without Emmitt Smith, that offensive line and that coaching staff with all those Hall of Fame players that when it counted in the playoffs, the team stepped up the, coaches stepped up it is not Prescott or zeke's fault that when they got to the playoffs and met some of the better teams they fell just short as individual players they can't be blamed there were so much that went on in those playoff games those four playoff losses you can't blame a single player.

Why don't you go check out some historical archives and some videos of big games in the playoffs for the Cowboys in the 70s and 90s where Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman had to play without the benefit of a strong run game, a great offensive line, great coaching and that they were well prepared and try to limit their mistakes as a team to win more games in the playoffs and Super Bowls. Where the quarterback or an individual player was asked to do something by himself to win big games. By the way do you need any proof of that I mean as great as the Cowboys were in the 70s they only won two Super Bowls with all that success and all those chances it happens mistakes were made people dropped touchdowns people didn't make the right block people had a fumble at the very wrong time somebody missed a kick it's just how it is in the NFL and right now we're going through a drought.

Lastly biggest thing for me is I think fans are ridiculous they don't even notice this is 27 to 30 years you guys are whining about it's not even the longest drought in NFL history we've seen those it took the eagle 60 years to win one Super Bowl it took the cheese 51 years between their Super Bowls to get back where they are now it took the Bengals you don't even have a Super Bowl win 31 years between Super Bowls I mean how long has it been since Washington won a Super Bowl and I know San Francisco has been playing very well lately but how long has it been since they actually won a Super Bowl I mean there are droughts all over the place Buffalo hasn't been back to or won a Super Bowl since the 90s as a matter of fact I don't even know did they have a Super Bowl win ever but yet they're still looked at as one of the better teams right now no one keeps parroting droughts with them I don't hear all the fans complaining about how long it's been no they just stay in the current situation and hope for the best

off my soapbox
 

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Pollard himself said the wore down in the game he started for Zeke....just one game...not over an entire season or a career....

Maybe he does ok as his stamina needs to improve, and maybe it will. But until he shows it, there is no depth at RB, no proven depth.
That was the game he had a long run in, and I think he said that after the long one.
 

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I will find nothing funny in the fact that your ilk will be blaming the OL when (not if) Pollard is injured and we don’t have a run game anymore
So, you already know that Pollard is going to get reinjured? Why would it automatically be the OL's fault if he does? Was it their fault he got hurt in the playoff game?

I don't really know how you come to make statements like this. "Your ilk" ?

I made only simple statements about football in general.
 

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I just don't believe McCarthy's run the ball and rest the dee speech. His entire coaching history does not suggest this type of philosophy.
So it's not the quality of the RB2 that I'm more worried about but the lack of ability by the HC to implement a dynamic/diverse rushing attack with the talent that he does have on the roster. Maybe Schotty can come up with something I dunno.

Others are more sold on this HC.
This entire season boils down to Quarterback and Head Coach decision making in real time to me.

Everything else being talked about is fluff imo.
Mike is just pumping up everything lol.
He is gonna run more, pass more, eliminate penalty's, and mistakes etc.
He seems to be in salesman mode, and I aint buying till I see it in action come sept.

The only thing he hasnt talked about is ST and the kicker and punter.
 

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Tony Pollard in '21 and '22 averaged a mere 5.34 yards per carry in Kellen Moore's offense. Can you name backs who did better in that stretch*?

A great bonfire is coming. Here. Soon.

*With a qualifying number of carries
why does that matter yes he had nice stretches where he pumped up his yards per carry because of his limited carries that doesn't change the fact that he's getting worn down look at how he finished the season 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays 51 yards per game I mean he was only a yard better than zeke at the end of the year in the playoffs the man is not a volume blue Cal three down back most backs like him who have limited carries and have his ability to burst and speed you know what they usually call a change of pace back do usually have higher yards per carries than the guys who are touching it 25 * a game or being told to run the plays straight up the middle or within the box his plays the designs he runs different plays than zeke ran..

There's a big difference between a big power back and a back like Pollard who his entire career was a backup running back slash wide receiver he never has been the starter he has nowhere near the mileage that zeke ended up having even when he first came into the NFL zeke had back-to-back 1800 yard seasons he was breaking off 200 yard games in the college football playoffs he was the Ohio State offense then comes in and has one of the best all time rookie running back campaigns the best in Cowboys history but top five all time of course he had a lot to live up to but please stop making the comparisons on just yards per carry because Emmett Smith didn't have that kind of yards per carry he had one season at 5 yards per carry and he had a bunch of seasons at 4 yards per carry or under seriously there's a big difference between the backs like Pollard Kamara even Christian McCaffrey and Dalvin cook then there is with power backs like all along history they're gonna have a lower average typically..
As great a player that Emmett Smith was he had a low average compared to Barry Sanders and other players that were quicker and smaller and that weren't being asked to basically take the ball 30 * a game and own time of possession that's the type of offense we had and that Emmett Smith ran emmitt Smith's greatest asset was his longevity and he hardly was ever injured that he can do what they asked and he did it over a long period of time. But he definitely didn't have the yards per carry that Barry Sanders had in some of the other backs who we're just fast third down backs **** backs change of pace backs you know those names that were given those type of guys. That's why Pollard kinda fits the new age offense better because you could do running back by committee but you could take advantage of his speed but you also can't rely on him to be a true number one back by giving him excessive carries you're also not gonna ask him to run between the tackles a lot so now we're gonna have to have a guy that can do that with Pollard I think we all like Tony Pollard but I'm getting tired of hearing about his yards per carry look how he finished the season that's what happens when you finally give up back like him more carries and in the end it seemed like too many carries because he has two injuries in six weeks we simply need to be careful with him that way he can be there and available to be better in the playoffs to have that kind of yards per carry and burst and explosive plays and touchdowns in the playoffs so I hope they find the right mix here with the goal being win enough games to get in the playoffs but you need to have your better run game and your better offensive line play in the playoffs and we haven't had that against the 49ers
 

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Tony Pollard in '21 and '22 averaged a mere 5.34 yards per carry in Kellen Moore's offense. Can you name backs who did better in that stretch*?

A great bonfire is coming. Here. Soon.

*With a qualifying number of carries
I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect him to hit that ypc again unless they plan to keep him at that ~12 carries per game mark.
 

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I did not technically talk about Zeke, I mentioned him as Pollard started in a game over him. I said nothing specifically about him. You are grasping, yet again.
Bwaaaa!!!

So mentioning his name isnt talking about him now?

Just like you nailed zeke and pollard right?

You get spanked yet again!
 
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