Battle Lines: Still Questions to Answer at QB

[shabazz]

I guarantee you that once Dak starts winning games with a line like 205 yards passing, 15/20 and 1 TD the haters and Trolls will be like, “buh, buh he’s only throwing for 200 yards”

Wrong sir……we have seen the results when the passing is limited and it has been a success

Hurts beat the Niners with low stats of 15/25 121 yards 0 Tds, 0 Ints

we will take that kind of performance from the 160 Million dollar man…..if the team won against the Niners

 

[noshame]

The only real question is if Dak continues to struggle against decent defenses how long is McCarthy going to stick with him before he begins pointing fingers?

 

[Jarntt]

This one line right there shows your not understanding what is going on around Dak when you blame him solely. You seem to make some correct analysis and then make the wrong conclusion again blaming Dak.

We cant have last years Dak? Give me the Dak in the Eagles comeback win. Give me the guy that helped smoke Brady in the playoffs.

And then again like the rest of the QB challenged fans you use Mahomes as an example?

Dak is not Mahomes. Its not Dak's fault that he isnt Mahomes. And Mahomes doesnt win games or championships on his own.

The comment quoted and responded to was: "we can't have last year's Dak."

That is absolutely a correct statement if our goal is to win a SB. How can you even get upset over or argue that comment? In the game we lost he wasn't good enough again. That isn't saying he was solely to blame and his post went into detail specifically to mention that he wasn't and pointed out other issues with the team, but he was a big part of it in the game that sent us home. He can do better, he has done better and hopefully he will do better. But if you can't at least admit he needs to, it brings your credibility on the topic into question. I bet for damn sure if asked Dak will say he needs to do better. We need the Dak from the TB game every week in the playoffs because it's damn hard to win a SB. We aren't good enough (well at least we haven't been, who knows about this year) to win without him playing good to very good.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

The only real question is if Dak continues to struggle against decent defenses how long is McCarthy going to stick with him before he begins pointing fingers?

For you That may be a question! For others , Not so much

 

[Captain-Crash]

At some point you need the qb to make a play when it is needed. I find it strange that we have expectations around all the players on offense and defense but you dare not question Dak Prescott or what exactly he is doing to elevate this team. Judging by the performance against the 9-era he really provided nothing. In fact he was an overall detriment to the team and the outcome of that game.

I have to disagree, I hope the whole team and coaches carry dak better. All we ask of him is not to lose the game in the playoffs like the last 2 years. shrugs..

*carry dak*

 

[jazzcat22]

I guarantee you that once Dak starts winning games with a line like 205 yards passing, 15/20 and 1 TD the haters and Trolls will be like, “buh, buh he’s only throwing for 200 yards”

Right. And you can’t tell them that Aikman and Montana average per game was 200 yards or so, that won’t fly with them.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I guarantee you that once Dak starts winning games with a line like 205 yards passing, 15/20 and 1 TD the haters and Trolls will be like, “buh, buh he’s only throwing for 200 yards”

The quarterback doesn't win crap, the team does.

 

[Rockport]

Wrong sir……we have seen the results when the passing is limited and it has been a success

Hurts beat the Niners with low stats of 15/25 121 yards 0 Tds, 0 Ints

we will take that kind of performance from the 160 Million dollar man…..if the team won against the Niners

Wait and see.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/battle-lines-still-questions-to-answer-at-qb

This will be a series of articles about each position heading into TC, as they come out, I will try to post them, unless someone else does it before me.

Starts with the QB group. As we know, all goes as Dak goes for the offense. As the article points out. Much also starts with protection from the OL, and if the RB's can do their job as well.

So how many will chime in with the usual stuff without, or before reading the article.

In a just world where our WRs create separation and the O line doesn't let a defender touch Deek and where the wind helps deliver Deek's errant passes, and further, when the opposing team does not score more than 7 points, Deek will be MVP.

 

[noshame]

For you That may be a question! For others , Not so much

You're right I forgot he received the ruby slippers

 

[jazzcat22]

So why is Themarathomcontinues personally attacking me on this thread calling me stupid and clueless?

I have not seen all the posts yet in this thread.
I am just in and out of the different threads as I do other things for now. We can’t spend constant time looking at every single post.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Right. And you can’t tell them that Aikman and Montana average per game was 200 yards or so, that won’t fly with them.

Why even throw out names like Montana and Aikman when discussing Dak? That's pure comedy.

 

[kevm3]

When we get into the playoffs and the 49ers or some other tough defense destroy our O-line and completely stuff our running game, we're going to be blaming Dak.

There's clear holes on the team that zero effort is being made to address and they will rear their ugly head come play-off time.

we're built to razzle and dazzle and dominate mediocre to bad teams, but great teams will expose us as they always do.

We were calling out Amari's departure as a problem last year and it reared it's ugly head in the playoffs. When Tony Pollard gets worn out or reinjured, who is going to carry the load? If Tyron goes out again, which is almost assuredly going to happen, what are we going to do? Reshuffle the O line again?

We know Dak's not Brady, Rodgers or Mahomes to where he can cover up several gaping holes, so I don't understand why we don't go 'all in' for a year and shore up those huge holes.

 

[plasticman]

From the article: Sure, by beefing up the defense and adding more weapons to the receiving corps, the Cowboys are doing all they can to make sure their star quarterback doesn't have to carry the full load on his shoulders this season. Still, as head coach Mike McCarthy once said, "Defense wins championships, but the Super Bowl is won by the quarterback."

Also from the article: Can Prescott return to his previous form or are we headed for another unsettling adventure in 2023? Yes, he was the victim of some drops and questionable route-running at times. Yes, his pass catchers ranked among the NFL's worst in creating separation. Nobody wants to hear it. What matters now is can he lessen the mistakes and, more importantly, win?

This sums thing up fairly well. Everything is not on Dak, but also, the QB has to be right to win the SB, or even get to the NFCCG. In other words, no matter how much the team improves in other areas, we can't have last year's Dak. There will be mistakes. Hell, Mahomes makes mistakes. But Mahomes overcomes them. Can Dak? Does Reid's coaching allow Mahomes to overcome mistakes? I think so. Can Big Mike's coaching allow Dak to overcome his mistakes, or elevate himself to pick up the team when needed? I don't know. I hope so, but we'll see. The jury is still out.

One other nitpicky note: Roger would have more that 21 game winning 4th quarter drives if he didn't lose 1965-1969 to the Navy. He was a 27-year old rookie. Gotta stick up for my favorite NFL player ever.

"...as head coach Mike McCarthy once said, "Defense wins championships, but the Super Bowl is won by the quarterback."


Super Bowl winning starting QB's and their passer rating:

Ben Roethlisberger 22.6 (completed 9 passes....11 if you include the two INT's)
John Elway 51.9 (12-23-123YDS-0TD-1INT)
Earl Morrall 54 (Completed 7 of his 15 passes with an INT and a fumble)
Peyton Manning 56.6 (completed 12 of his 23 passes, 1 INT, 2 Fumbles)
Tom Brady 71.4 (An INT and a fumble. No TD's)
Joe Theismann 75.1 (123 passing yards and 2 INT's)
Patrick Mahomes 78.1 (2INT's and 2 fumbles)
Brad Johnson 79.9 (completed 53% of his passes)
Trent Dilfer 80.9 (completed less than half of his 23 passes)

Matt Ryan had a 144.1 passer rating, completed 72% of his passes averaging almost 17 yards a catch.....and lost.

Jake Delhomme completed 16 passes for over 320 with 3 TD's ....and lost.

Jurt Warner completed 72% of his passes for 377 yards and 3 TD's.....and lost.

There are far too many exceptions to make McCarthy's statement a universal rule. Even the QB's that were credited with actually winning the game required assistance from elite members of their team, typically at RB or defense, not to mention the O-linemen.

 

[StarOfGlory]

"...as head coach Mike McCarthy once said, "Defense wins championships, but the Super Bowl is won by the quarterback."


Super Bowl winning starting QB's and their passer rating:

Ben Roethlisberger 22.6 (completed 9 passes....11 if you include the two INT's)
John Elway 51.9 (12-23-123YDS-0TD-1INT)
Earl Morrall 54 (Completed 7 of his 15 passes with an INT and a fumble)
Peyton Manning 56.6 (completed 12 of his 23 passes, 1 INT, 2 Fumbles)
Tom Brady 71.4 (An INT and a fumble. No TD's)
Joe Theismann 75.1 (123 passing yards and 2 INT's)
Patrick Mahomes 78.1 (2INT's and 2 fumbles)
Brad Johnson 79.9 (completed 53% of his passes)
Trent Dilfer 80.9 (completed less than half of his 23 passes)

Matt Ryan had a 144.1 passer rating, completed 72% of his passes averaging almost 17 yards a catch.....and lost.

Jake Delhomme completed 16 passes for over 320 with 3 TD's ....and lost.

Jurt Warner completed 72% of his passes for 377 yards and 3 TD's.....and lost.

There are far too many exceptions to make McCarthy's statement a universal rule. Even the QB's that were credited with actually winning the game required assistance from elite members of their team, typically at RB or defense, not to mention the O-linemen.

True. There have been games with no defense where some QB will have great stats and lose. One could argue that the rule changes that favor the offense make MM’s statement more relevant in today’s game, though there would still be exceptions like the last Super Bowl. The examples you cited are mostly before the rules changes that favored the offense.

We will see. If the Cowboys do have a Super Bowl-caliber team built and everyone stays healthy, the team as a whole minus the QB plays well and still fail, then what? What if Dak has another bad playoff game and we lose? Is Dak going to be added to the list of good to great QB’s that simply won”t win the big game? What if the coaching staff just poops the bed in the playoffs but Dak is good in that scenario, do you change coaches?

 

[aikemirv]

if your focus is solely on dak than you clearly understand little.

Oh no - Trevon did not either but overall our D did enough to win but the O did not!

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It is clear that any explanation would be a waste of my time. Have a nice day.

The idea that you "can't have last year's Dak" is wrong.

He could be the exact same player and get 5 different bounces and the season is completely different. I think that's the point you're missing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Oh no - Trevon did not either but overall our D did enough to win but the O did not!

Obviously the D didnt play good enough to win. They dropped two easy picks in the 2nd half and caved for 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were outplayed by the Niners D.

Oline played bad, and once Pollard went down Zeke and the run game were non existent. Then there is the fact that Lamb was really the only viable passing weapon.

And against the #1 D in the NFL. Not a big deal and fully expected. The team on both sides of the ball all over the place lost this game. Dak was just one part of that.

 

[jazzcat22]

Why even throw out names like Montana and Aikman when discussing Dak? That's pure comedy.

I was referring to the post that anti Dak posters would complain if we won the SB, that Dak only averaged 200 yards per game passing. Or only threw for 200 yards in the SB but won.

As for Aikman and Montana, entire careers were around that average, and no one complained. Those SB wins are much better than any stat line. So therefore, it applies to Dak. Even Dilfer won a SB with low stats.

I hoped that clarified it for you, or did you just want to ignore the point I made? Just to put down Dak.
I was in no way comparing them, and you should know that.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I was referring to the post that anti Dak posters would complain if we won the SB, that Dak only averaged 200 yards per game passing. Or only threw for 200 yards in the SB but won.

As for Aikman and Montana, entire careers were around that average, and no one complained. Those SB wins are much better than any stat line. So therefore, it applies to Dak. Even Dilfer won a SB with low stats.

I hoped that clarified it for you, or did you just want to ignore the point I made? Just to put down Dak.
I was in no way comparing them, and you should know that.

I don't think you would find one single person that would complain about stats if Dallas won a superbowl. That is ludicrous. When you lose in the first round of the playoffs every year with those numbers... thats another story. When mentioning QB's to compare with Dak how about use Donovan McNabb, Warren Moon, Carson Palmer or Andy Dalton. Qb's whose successes are more comparable. Not the Aikman's, Montana, Mahomes stuff which is just not fair to Dak.